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Not all of the Covenant parents were conservative. But many of them grew up involved in Republican politics and were at ease around guns. Ms. Neumann, barred as a child from playing with toy guns as a way to instill respect for weapons, enjoyed shooting clay pigeons well past college. Mr. Leatherwood is a former executive director of the state Republican Party who owns seven firearms, with two pistols locked in his truck.

Just as important, as parents of survivors, they could be a public voice for the parents whose children died.

Mr. Leatherwood, the leader of the public policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, now used his platform to argue that millions of Southern Baptists should broaden their defense of life — the basis for opposing abortion — to include protecting against gun violence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/26/us/politics/nashville-school-shooting-covenant-parents.html?unlocked_article_code=1.JE0.Cz_D.PautJTM-TyXU&smid=url-share

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  • Brisketexan
    Brisketexan

    No, Nicole.   That's not true.  Sure, every single human being has some innate bias etc. that colors their perspective, and different speakers PUSH different narratives.  But what is happening with th

  • hornmpa96
    hornmpa96

    That’s not true. As has been pointed out in this thread multiple times, other countries who had mass shooting events immediately changed their gun laws to make it harder or impossible to obtain the we

  • Chuckie Finster
    Chuckie Finster

    The "we can't solve 100% of the problem so we shouldn't make any attempt at all" line of thinking is a big reason why we are where we are. 

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3 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Not all of the Covenant parents were conservative. But many of them grew up involved in Republican politics and were at ease around guns. Ms. Neumann, barred as a child from playing with toy guns as a way to instill respect for weapons, enjoyed shooting clay pigeons well past college. Mr. Leatherwood is a former executive director of the state Republican Party who owns seven firearms, with two pistols locked in his truck.

Just as important, as parents of survivors, they could be a public voice for the parents whose children died.

Mr. Leatherwood, the leader of the public policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, now used his platform to argue that millions of Southern Baptists should broaden their defense of life — the basis for opposing abortion — to include protecting against gun violence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/26/us/politics/nashville-school-shooting-covenant-parents.html?unlocked_article_code=1.JE0.Cz_D.PautJTM-TyXU&smid=url-share

I was reading that NYTimes article with First Responder Bowl on in the background and sure enough they had a story about the five cops who killed the shooter at Covenant.  Kinda weird.

Even weirder is how the Republicans in Tennessee don't care who dies.  Neighbors, kids, doesn't matter.   

..I don't know what the hell to say.

 

 

To fully understand the minutes before officers killed the assailant, parents had to piece together the plain-spoken memories of their children.

 

It was loud. It smelled bad. It was a person with a really mean face.

 

I was scared. I was quiet. I was brave.

 

Ms. Joyce’s daughter would tell her that it was hard to not make a sound, to be curled tight and still like a box, when the barrel of a gun poked through the window in the door of her third-grade classroom.

 

 

  • 2 weeks later...
2 hours ago, TexEx15 said:

 

  • First day of spring semester.
  • Happened before school started.
  • Multiple gunshot victims (no word on deaths).
  • Shooter dead.

Here are two fantastic articles both of which offer plenty of ammunition (ahem) against those red-state Trump gun lovers who talk about violence and crime as if it is a Democrat problem.

https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem

https://www.salon.com/2023/02/15/like-to-talk-tough-on--but-theyre-the-ones-with-a-real-problem/



Key takeaways:

  • The murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Donald Trump has exceeded the murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Joe Biden in every year from 2000 to 2020.
  • Over this 21-year span, this Red State murder gap has steadily widened from a low of 9% more per capita red state murders in 2003 and 2004 to 44% more per capita red state murders in 2019, before settling back to 43% in 2020.
  • Altogether, the per capita Red State murder rate was 23% higher than the Blue State murder rate when all 21 years were combined.
  • If Blue State murder rates were as high as Red State murder rates, Biden-voting states would have suffered over 45,000 more murders between 2000 and 2020.
  • Even when murders in the largest cities in red states are removed, overall murder rates in Trump-voting states were 12% higher than Biden-voting states across this 21-year period and were higher in 18 of the 21 years observed.

     

Are you implying that fascists might be violent?

Why didn’t the 6th grader who died today arm themselves?

4 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Why didn’t the 6th grader who died today arm themselves?

Good question. Can’t imagine any responsible parent sending his 6th grader to school unarmed.

I blame the liberals for getting in the way of an 11 year old and their gun of choice.

4 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

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What did you learn today kids?

How to stand in line!!

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Should be good for when we undergo the next  Depression....

I unintentionally traveled with a Leatherman multitool in an inner side pocket of my suitcase for a few years.  It was x-rayed dozens of times before it was found by the Canadian version of TSA.  I was stunned.

They had a few curt questions but wished me a good day when I was more than willing to surrender it.

It’s bullshit.  The 2A clearly states, that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.  Particularly and specifically  by a federal government agency; such as the TSA. All if you who don’t carry firearms into airplanes are flying the face of our constitution.  As students of the Bill of Rights, you are being gaping pussies. Either the 2A right means something or it doesn’t.  They wrote that in 240 years ago for a reason you fucking treasonous cowards.  Fly heavy or don’t fly at all.  You aren’t for liberty, you’re for being a pussy.  

20 hours ago, HenryJames said:

Why didn’t the 6th grader who died today arm themselves?

 

3 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

I blame the liberals for getting in the way of an 11 year old and their gun of choice.

The only way to stop a bad 17 year old with a gun is a good 11 year old with a gun.

I just looked in my pocket Constitution, and the Second Amendment has no age limit in it! First graders do not check their constitutional rights at the door when entering a public school!

Honest question, because I haven't been keeping up on this particular tragedy:  why was a 6th grader at the high school?

(not victim shaming)

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Honest question, because I haven't been keeping up on this particular tragedy:  why was a 6th grader at the high school?

(not victim shaming)

Middle and high schools shared a campus.

31 minutes ago, Bookman said:

I just looked in my pocket Constitution, and the Second Amendment has no age limit in it! First graders do not check their constitutional rights at the door when entering a public school!

If you outlaw letting First graders have guns, then only Second graders and above will have guns!

Apparently one of the victims was shot 21 times and is somehow still alive, according to his family on social media. 15 years old. 

4 hours ago, YGIFS said:

It’s bullshit.  The 2A clearly states, that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.  Particularly and specifically  by a federal government agency; such as the TSA. All if you who don’t carry firearms into airplanes are flying the face of our constitution.  As students of the Bill of Rights, you are being gaping pussies. Either the 2A right means something or it doesn’t.  They wrote that in 240 years ago for a reason you fucking treasonous cowards.  Fly heavy or don’t fly at all.  You aren’t for liberty, you’re for being a pussy.  

Unless you're at a Trump Rally, Republican event, Town Halls, Debates, Benton Harbor Chili Cook-Off, etc... 

Held the naive thought that things may change if any or several Repubs felt any sort of personal pain when it came to mass shootings… shit won’t change unless it’s at the ballot box. 

2 hours ago, Helobious said:

Apparently one of the victims was shot 21 times and is somehow still alive, according to his family on social media. 15 years old. 

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Honest question, because I haven't been keeping up on this particular tragedy:  why was a 6th grader at the high school?
(not victim shaming)

They were attending a breakfast - per the news.
9 hours ago, Helobious said:

Apparently one of the victims was shot 21 times and is somehow still alive, according to his family on social media. 15 years old. 

Pretty sure I saw one of the weapons the killer used was a shotgun.  
 

Hospital considered me a “multiple gunshot victim” when I was on the wrong end of someone’s negligence once.  Would bet it’s the same situation.   The hospital also mislabeled the size shot (even though I told the doctor several times, YGIFS here’s your caliber joke tee’d up) and it caused a bunch more confusion at both hospitals.  Think I still had 14-15 in me still at the time. 

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8 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Pretty sure I saw one of the weapons the killer used was a shotgun.  
 

Hospital considered me a “multiple gunshot victim” when I was on the wrong end of someone’s negligence once.  Would bet it’s the same situation.   The hospital also mislabeled the size shot (even though I told the doctor several times, YGIFS here’s your caliber joke tee’d up) and it caused a bunch more confusion at both hospitals.  Think I still had 14-15 in me still at the time. 

Phew, thank goodness for that explanation. Hey y'all, nothing to worry about with school shootings anymore. It was just a hunting accident. President Trump is right, we can just get over this one now.

3 minutes ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

Phew, thank goodness for that explanation. Hey y'all, nothing to worry about with school shootings anymore. It was just a hunting accident. President Trump is right, we can just get over this one now.

Your reading comp may need some brushing up.  Aren't you a teacher?  Sad.  

 

I took care of a couple of different kids who were shot more than 10 times and still lived. It's def possible, though obv their lives are completely fucked up now

That was my first thought when the "21 shots" claim was made along with the knowledge that one weapon was a shotgun.

Pretty sure I saw one of the weapons the killer used was a shotgun.  
 
Hospital considered me a “multiple gunshot victim” when I was on the wrong end of someone’s negligence once.  Would bet it’s the same situation.   The hospital also mislabeled the size shot (even though I told the doctor several times, YGIFS here’s your caliber joke tee’d up) and it caused a bunch more confusion at both hospitals.  Think I still had 14-15 in me still at the time. 

So, it could have been worse?

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You just have to get over it. If your child gets shot in the face, get over it. 

1 hour ago, Eskimohorn said:


So, it could have been worse?

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Is that what you came up with after reading those sentences?  Not an explanation of why it could be labeled as such?  Interesting look at seeing what you want to. 

4 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

That was my first thought when the "21 shots" claim was made along with the knowledge that one weapon was a shotgun.

Um, so the type of weapon is the issue?

9 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Um, so the type of weapon is the issue?

Where in the blue hell did you get that?  I was merely speaking to the specific anecdote about one victim (so far) surviving 21 wounds.

Posted by a Republican acquaintance. What is this even trying to say?

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Uvalde voted 60+ for Hot Wheels. Shooter was 18. I bet he never voted.

Posted by a Republican acquaintance. What is this even trying to say?

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Uvalde voted 60+ for Hot Wheels. Shooter was 18. I bet he never voted.

I mean…other than the fact that it’s also insanely wrong. Tree of Life shooter and Parkland shooter were trumpy. That’s just off the top of my head.
12 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


I mean…other than the fact that it’s also insanely wrong. Tree of Life shooter and Parkland shooter were trumpy. That’s just off the top of my head.

I would wager that most mass shooters are young and have never voted. And certainly the sick gun culture appeals to right leaning people more than left anyway. 

If you really need to make it political spectrum oriented, most mass shooters aren’t from the right. Just some basic common sense when you digest the data. 

Edited by Anastasis

10 hours ago, Anastasis said:

If you really need to make it political spectrum oriented, most mass shooters aren’t from the right. Just some basic common sense when you digest the data. 

Lay it out for us, then.

Christ. Buffalo shooter obviously was a Biden voter. I'm sure the El Paso shooter was too. /s

This isn't a Republican/Democrat issue (as far as who is doing the shooting). There are some definite trends -- young, generally white, and male -- but not everything fits in that box. 

It's mental health plus easy access to very powerful guns. Everything else is smokescreen.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Buffalo_shooting

Manifesto
Gendron is reported to have written a 180-page manifesto which he released prior to the shooting, primarily concerning the topic of mass immigration. The manifesto was originally posted on Google Docs on the evening of May 12, two days before the attack, and according to file data, it had not been modified since.[81] Federal law enforcement sources told CNN that they were reviewing the document,[12][82] as well as his 673-page online diary.[62] The manifesto includes biographical information, including a birth date, which is identical to that of Gendron.[81]

The author describes himself as someone who initially identified himself as being on the "authoritarian left",[83][84] before he developed American neo-Nazi, antisemitic, eco-fascist, ethno-nationalist, populist, and white supremacist views.[12][85] He claims to have adopted these ideological stances after he visited the discussion board /pol/ on 4chan, an imageboard, as well as the website The Daily Stormer beginning in May 2020,[5] on which he saw "infographics, shitposts, and memes" at around the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States.[81][86][87] The manifesto primarily promotes the white nationalist and far-right "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory of Renaud Camus, which claims that elites are promoting immigration and decreasing white birth rates in an attempt to subject whites to a genocide.[5][88] The manifesto also says that Jews and the elites are responsible for transgender inclusivity and non-white immigration, that Black people disproportionately kill white people, and that non-whites will overwhelm and wipe out the white race.[89][90]

 

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12 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Oh Lord, @jimmyjazz

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Hell, it's Tuesday.  What else am I gonna do, work?

Oh yeah, that.

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Lay it out for us, then.

 

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Lay it out for us, then.

He's hinting at a JohnnySack black crime stats style post without making it.

3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

He's hinting at a JohnnySack black crime stats style post without making it.

I know, I just want to see him say it.  He's too much of a chickenshit to do so.

3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

He's hinting at a JohnnySack black crime stats style post without making it.

I mean, that's the only thing I can figure the graphic is trying to do -- insinuate that these shooting locations occurred in blue towns/cities/states and that couldn't be further from the truth when you look at the very first fucking one (Uvalde, which voted overwhelmingly for Abbott and other Texas GOP'ers).

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

I mean, that's the only thing I can figure the graphic is trying to do -- insinuate that these shooting locations occurred in blue towns/cities/states and that couldn't be further from the truth when you look at the very first fucking one (Uvalde, which voted overwhelmingly for Abbott and other Texas GOP'ers).

I was talking about Ana's post (he was implying that black people are responsible for most mass shootings). The dipshit you quoted was just lying that every mass shooter listed was a Democrat.

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