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18 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Quick people on the right, let's spin up all the other reasons this kid killed 4 people at school other than because he had access to a firearm. We have to protect the firearms at all costs. And go. Mental illness, yeah that's a good one. We don't know his mental state but it's the easiest thing to blame this on while being the most complex problem that has no real fix but it's a good way to deflect. Violent video games, music, and television, yeah that's a good one. Lack of religion in schools, another great one because God has never caused people to do terrible things to other humans. Breakdown of the family unit, well we don't know what his family life was like but fuck it, it's better than blaming guns.

DEI has to be at the top of the list. 

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    No, Nicole.   That's not true.  Sure, every single human being has some innate bias etc. that colors their perspective, and different speakers PUSH different narratives.  But what is happening with th

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    That’s not true. As has been pointed out in this thread multiple times, other countries who had mass shooting events immediately changed their gun laws to make it harder or impossible to obtain the we

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    The "we can't solve 100% of the problem so we shouldn't make any attempt at all" line of thinking is a big reason why we are where we are. 

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2 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

I heard the shooter was a Venezuelan drag queen. 

Well, Colton Gray doesn't sound Venezuelan.  

1 minute ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


That's his fake American name. Real name is Cortez Garcia.

Yep, and his father is Frito Pendejo.  

The Georgia school shooter was six years old when Trump was elected President. 

37 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Just letting our society and future rot. It's unbearable. 

When you understand that we've made the choice to treat Americans as op-ex, not cap-ex, it all makes sense.

We SHOULD have a perspective that our people are our greatest resource, and we should invest in them.  Instead....they are seen only as a source of revenue for certain enterprises and individuals.  And if all you are is a source of revenue, then the revenue number per head damned well better beat the expense number per head.  Otherwise, you need to be axed.

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Yeah, I'm with @mdmost on this.  "Texans" aren't a monolithic demographic.  I'm not taking any responsibility for asshats who vote for other asshats who have pew pew boners.

My problem with being resigned  to living like this is it means gun violence will only get worse. Think for a minute, where’d we be if gun sense proponents played the long game as have pro life advocates. Keeping their eyes on the prize paid off in ways that are incalculable. The millions of silent people who won’t fight to change our culture bear some responsibility for the violence.

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Yeah, I'm with @mdmost on this.  "Texans" aren't a monolithic demographic.  I'm not taking any responsibility for asshats who vote for other asshats who have pew pew boners.

My problem with being resigned  to living like this is it means gun violence will only get worse. Think for a minute, where’d we be if gun sense proponents played the long game as have pro life advocates. Keeping their eyes on the prize paid off in ways that are incalculable. The millions of silent people who won’t fight to change our culture bear some responsibility for the violence.

The only way to solve this is to put someone like Kamala and Walz in the White House and get the Democrats in charge of both houses of Congress. Texas changing simply isn't happening. People in this state are fine with dead kids if it means they have to sacrifice the ability to get as many guns as they want. Uvalde showed us that. That can happen and everyone with an R next to their name wins their races. The people in charge of this state simply do not care if kids die. They cannot give one inch on gun control, not even sensible gun control. Oh and then look at our Supreme Court which is making it even harder to enforce gun laws and executive orders like Trump's bump stock ban. Millions of us are trying to vote in people who will do something. There's just more in this state who don't want it to change unless it's some nebulous item that they can fix like "mental health" or "lack of God in schools" or "making schools more secure". They want to address everything but the guns and how easy they are to get. Is the state offering to pay for every school to be more secure? Hell no. They think arming teachers is the answer. They are fine with kids dying. It's an easy calculation for them. 

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4 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

my own kids walked through the room, saw the news, and moved on as though it was just any other kind of boring, day-to-day news story.

because it fucking is.

I saw the headlines and literally forgot about this until now. 

32 minutes ago, mdmost said:

The only way to solve this is to put someone like Kamala and Walz in the White House and get the Democrats in charge of both houses of Congress. Texas changing simply isn't happening. People in this state are fine with dead kids if it means they have to sacrifice the ability to get as many guns as they want. Uvalde showed us that. That can happen and everyone with an R next to their name wins their races. The people in charge of this state simply do not care if kids die. They cannot give one inch on gun control, not even sensible gun control. Oh and then look at our Supreme Court which is making it even harder to enforce gun laws and executive orders like Trump's bump stock ban. Millions of us are trying to vote in people who will do something. There's just more in this state who don't want it to change unless it's some nebulous item that they can fix like "mental health" or "lack of God in schools" or "making schools more secure". They want to address everything but the guns and how easy they are to get. Is the state offering to pay for every school to be more secure? Hell no. They think arming teachers is the answer. They are fine with kids dying. It's an easy calculation for them. 

Until they pack SCOTUS, nothing matters. Dems can control 2/3 of the gov't, but until the justices are replaced or watered down, every single gun law written by a dem controlled legislature will be struck down. 

Your hourly reminder that Laura Loomer is a piece of shit.

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10 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Until they pack SCOTUS, nothing matters. Dems can control 2/3 of the gov't, but until the justices are replaced or watered down, every single gun law written by a dem controlled legislature will be struck down. 

Bolded for actual legal accuracy.  As I've mentioned before, read Bruen.  Thomas wrote a decision that says in considering a law regulating firearms, if a functionally identical law didn't exist in 1789, then the law violates the 2nd amendment.  Lower courts have followed that reasoning, striking down any number of gun laws that people long thought were just fine (age limits on gun ownership?  NOPE, unconstitutional.  Banning someone with a live domestic violence order from possessing a gun?  NOPE, unconstitutional.)

There can be no new gun laws.  None.  Zero.  Zilch.  And in fact, probably 80% of our EXISTING gun laws can and will be struck down following the reasoning of Bruen.  The funny thing is, the SCOTUS recently had the chance to apply Bruen, and had to say "yeah, we know what it says, but that's clearly not what we actually meant" (meaning they had to ignore the plain language of their own precedent when the ink was hardly dry on that precedent)....but to top it off, it was an 8-1 decision with Clarence saying "the fuck I DIDN'T mean what I said -- I meant EXACTLY THAT."  Bruen is the most wide-reaching, indefensible, awful SCOTUS decision of my lifetime, and yes, I'm aware of Dobbs.  Bruen is indefensible under any modality of constitutional interpretation -- it's fucking idiotic and nonsensical to an extreme that would be embarrassing from a district court.  And here we are, with it enshrined as a SCOTUS decision.

This fucking timeline.

1 minute ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Your hourly reminder that Laura Loomer is a piece of shit.

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Lemme fix that:

Have you noticed that there are school shootings fucking everywhere, all the fucking time?  Swing states, not swing states, before elections, after elections, on salisbury steak day, on not salisbury steak day....

That's the fucking problem, you hideous fucking ghoul.

Why in the fuck did this country choose to elevate the literal worst fucking people among us?  Why?  Why is the GQP doing this?  Their "thought leaders" is a band of about 1,000 people who would be unwelcome in my home for a goddamned neighborhood potluck.  Loathsome creatures, all of them.

20 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Why in the fuck did this country choose to elevate the literal worst fucking people among us?  Why?

Diversity, equity, and inclusion?

4 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I care about suicide.  My wife's nephew committed suicide, with a gun.  I don't think they should be "counted" in violent gun deaths, though.  Sure, I suppose no access to guns might prevent SOME suicides, but a person suffering that type of depression will likely find another way.  Not always, though.

I also care about murder.  Increase your "assault rifle" metric by 2X-3X and it starts to look a lot more ominous.

I offer my sincere sympathy for the loss of your wife's nephew.

Having a handgun in the home is associated with a much higher risk of suicide (8x more likely for men; 35x more likely for women). Yes, I'm sure severely depressed people can and often will find another way but as this study points out:

“Suicide attempts are often impulsive acts, driven by transient life crises,” the authors write. “Most attempts are not fatal, and most people who attempt suicide do not go on to die in a future suicide. Whether a suicide attempt is fatal depends heavily on the lethality of the method used — and firearms are extremely lethal. These facts focus attention on firearm access as a risk factor for suicide especially in the United States, which has a higher prevalence of civilian-owned firearms than any other country and one of the highest rates of suicide by firearm.”

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3 hours ago, mdmost said:

Quick people on the right, let's spin up all the other reasons this kid killed 4 people at school other than because he had access to a firearm. We have to protect the firearms at all costs. And go. Mental illness, yeah that's a good one. We don't know his mental state but it's the easiest thing to blame this on while being the most complex problem that has no real fix but it's a good way to deflect. Violent video games, music, and television, yeah that's a good one. Lack of religion in schools, another great one because God has never caused people to do terrible things to other humans. Breakdown of the family unit, well we don't know what his family life was like but fuck it, it's better than blaming guns.

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Listen to this mother fucker who is offering thoughts and prayers.

A God problem eh?  

4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

My prediction: the triple Freedom Combo:
1) Student known to be dealing with mental health or anger issues
2) Student had access to unlocked/unsecured weapons
3) Police have visited the house before/are aware of violence or mental health issues in the home

Appears to have checked off at least two of boxes. Was investigated by the FBI in 2023 and passed off to local law enforcement.

 

1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Your hourly reminder that Laura Loomer is a piece of shit.

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Yeah, because swing states are heavily populated, and there's a school shooting somewhere in this country about twice a fucking week.  So, yeah, there is a shooting in a swing state within 2 months of an election every time.  You're trying to insinuate something when it really isn't any more complicated than simple probability, you fucking hack demon.

 

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9 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Appears to have checked off at least two of boxes. Was investigated by the FBI in 2023 and passed off to local law enforcement.

TRIPLE FREEDOM C-C-COMBO:

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Colt Gray, who was 13 at the time, and his father were then interviewed by the sheriff’s office. The father said he had hunting guns in the house but his son did not have unsupervised access to the weapons.

 

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Any parent whose gun is used by their kid to murder people should get tried and sentenced as if they pulled the trigger themselves.

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3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

TRIPLE FREEDOM C-C-COMBO:

If the guns used were the father's, he should be held accountable to the same charges as the minor child. Start throwing these parents in jail. 

18 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Appears to have checked off at least two of boxes. Was investigated by the FBI in 2023 and passed off to local law enforcement.

 

I'm going to say checks all three boxes.  There has to be something going on in the head if you're going to shoot people.  

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

If the guns used were the father's, he should be held accountable to the same charges as the minor child. Start throwing these parents in jail. 

Why do you hate freedom

6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Why do you hate freedom

I am ok with freedom and a side car of accountability. 

What’s awesome about that FBI tweet is all the MAGAs/Trumpers attacking the FBI for not doing its job.
No, you fucknuts, they did exactly the job they are ALLOWED to do. Limited by the steadfast refusal of your guys to allow any laws that would allow the authorities to act on such threats (eg, red flag laws). The answer is often “yeah, we all knew this person would eventually go on a spree, but the law gives us no tools to stop them before they actually go out there and shoot up a school.” Indeed, if the authorities TRIED to take action, these exact same people would be screaming about the 2nd amendment and “muh freedoms.” Fuck all those people to hell.

5 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Goddamn I hate what we've done to our children. 

 

That's what I saw earlier. Fucking broke me

2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Your hourly reminder that Laura Loomer is a piece of shit.

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Same logic that tripped up Markstanco with his Google-Covid conspiracy bombshell

10 minutes ago, TeeDubya said:

Looks like there is blame in this sewage for everyone and everything except the AR15

why you hatin' on the lord's weapon? 

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Americans, go pursue happiness somewhere. Guns Uber Alles.

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2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

If the guns used were the father's, he should be held accountable to the same charges as the minor child. Start throwing these parents in jail. 

Oh, come the fuck on.  I want to fucking hate you, but then you post completely reasonable shit like this. 

4 hours ago, Foosters said:

Until they pack SCOTUS, nothing matters. Dems can control 2/3 of the gov't, but until the justices are replaced or watered down, every single gun law written by a dem controlled legislature will be struck down. 

I’m under no illusion about how hard it will be to reduce gun idolatry in this country. Democratic presidents will be forced into glory by those of us who won’t allow them to be bullied by gun lovers and the gun lobby. We should view this mission as an act of love toward this country .

My apologies if this was posted already

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4 minutes ago, C-Man said:

My apologies if this was posted already

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What’s makes these deaths so heartbreaking is they were so unnecessary.

4 hours ago, Anastasis said:

If the guns used were the father's, he should be held accountable to the same charges as the minor child. Start throwing these parents in jail. 

Well come on now, let’s not get ridiculous and infringe one someone’s constitutional rights!

6 hours ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Well come on now, let’s not get ridiculous and infringe one someone’s constitutional rights!

Particularly not the rights of a minor who was worrisome enough to be known to the FBI at age 13. Who amongst us, right? 

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Particularly not the rights of a minor who was worrisome enough to be known to the FBI at age 13. Who amongst us, right? 

Correct. I’m not sure I’m ready to start unilaterally charging adults when their kids shoot people at schools, particularly if there were no real warning signs. However, when there’s definitely negligence involved, as it appears in this case, then it’s completely justified IMO. If law enforcement investigates your child for online threats about shooting up a school and you continue to keep firearms including an AR-15 in your home, then fuck off — you’re going down too, dad.
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Correct. I’m not sure I’m ready to start unilaterally charging adults when their kids shoot people at schools, particularly if there were no real warning signs.

Fuck that. Purchasing a gun should come with the implied agreement that it will not come into anyone else’s hands.
If you are worried that you cannot hold up this end of the bargain, then you shouldn’t buy a gun.
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Still up, which is unsurprising, but I'm surprised it have 0 "stars" with that kind of implication. 

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45 minutes ago, C-Man said:

I’m not sure I’m ready to start unilaterally charging adults when their kids shoot people at schools, particularly if there were no real warning signs.

Securing their firearms from improper use is the obligation of every gun owner and I am 100% comfortable with civil and criminal penalties for those whose irresponsibility leads to mayhem and death.

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