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1 hour ago, Satchel said:

This is the thought that pains and keeps it real for me. The 52 year old lady, along with the two men, aged 19 and 29, left home to go the Dollar General. As we do everyday, they had a reasonable expectation they would return home, as had been the case countless times before. You just don’t want to believe that you’ll be shot to death because of a fateful decision to go the the store around the corner.

This can literally be plugged into any law abiding person who has a violent crime committed against them. 
 

Wife and I were just heading to dinner. Never expected to be carjacked and killed.   I was just lying in bed in my suburban house, never expected the door to be kicked in and robbed/raped/killed.  Examples of things that we do every single day.  That doesn’t resonate with you?   Or do you not believe the same can happen? Just a fateful trip to the restaurant? 

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2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

That's literally the fucking point, man. 

No, we shouldn't trivialize or minimize gang violence, but I've got a pretty good idea on how to keep my kids from winding up a victim of it. Please instruct me how we keep completely random victim and kids away from schools, Walmarts, Dollar Generals, concerts, etc., etc. and the latest dipshit with a manifesto.

Now do carjacking, the folks routinely robbed eating dinner up and down westheimer, and home invasions.    Hint, they happen a lot more frequently than the event you’re so scared of. 

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That’s not “mass shooting,” as you are aware. 

Neither is the dollar store shooting in Jax, if we are being pedantic. 

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You are such a dishonest piece of shit, it's unreal. 

You've already admitted that you'd completely change your tune if it was your kids shot to shit by a random gunman. As long as it's someone else's kids, you just don't care. Full stop.

10 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

You are such a dishonest piece of shit, it's unreal. 

You've already admitted that you'd completely change your tune if it was your kids shot to shit by a random gunman. As long as it's someone else's kids, you just don't care. Full stop.

Ackshully, what I said was that anyone would.  
 

So please, you dishonest piece of shit, point me to your concern when it isn’t a white guy using an AR-15.  Surely you’ve noted it somewhere on this site? I mean, you are really really concerned about ALL the violence, right?   You can very simply find examples in papers across the country everyday to link and expound on.  You’re passionate about the problem, right? 

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Broader gun restrictions do a whole lot more than just limit mass shootings, you fucking child.

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And most rational people with a pulse possess the empathy to see it happen to someone else's kids and say, "Gee, that sucks. I sure wouldn't want that to happen to my kids. Maybe we should try to do something about it."

You don't. It is what it is. 

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3 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Brisket's hyperbole will never not be funny to me.    Even funnier when I consider he's got his on type of hate that he's OK'd with himself for 1/3 to 1/2 his countrymates due to their fucking policies on taxes and giving free shit to poors.  Absolutely LOL worthy.  

 

This is what the GOP stands for?  Remind me again about the TN school shooters politics?  Guess that's what the alphabet movement and the DNC is about?   Oh, blanket statements don't work like that, unless it's you or @Brisketexan I guess, then it's all good.  Cool, cool.  You are a fucking clown.  

 

This is 100% correct.  Basic income? LOL 

you are a joke. sorry but you are a fucking joke. Your party is a joke and you can take your guns and shove them all the way up your asshole. eat shit. 

People like fatty and sack like to go with the, "you've got a better chance of getting hit by lightning" defense (untrue, but whatever). 

Like if every other developed country had figured out a way to greater reduce random lightning strikes, and America was like, "fuck all that, lightning is bad ass," it wouldn't be equally as dumb.

6 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

you are a joke. sorry but you are a fucking joke. Your party is a joke and you can take your guns and shove them all the way up your asshole. eat shit. 

Sorry my hobby is considered sacrosanct.  But, dems da breaks.  

15 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

And most rational people with a pulse possess the empathy to see it happen to someone else's kids and say, "Gee, that sucks. I sure wouldn't want that to happen to my kids. Maybe we should try to do something about it."

I missed all your concerned posts every time a stray bullet finds a child on the south side of <cantsayname>.  Guess those kids don't matter to you? Aggy, after all. 

21 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

point me to your concern when it isn’t a white guy using an AR-15. 

I'm concerned about any person getting shot.  At this point, people like you have pushed me to the point where I would advocate for a total gun ban.  It's better than the alternative.

So, FAFO gun boy.  You had my support at a limited level, and you no longer do.  I would rather see you in prison for not turning your weapons than see guns all over the place and people getting killed.

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

I missed all your concerned posts every time a stray bullet finds a child on the south side of <cantsayname>.  Guess those kids don't matter to you? Aggy, after all. 

We should absolutely try to do something about that too. Hint: it will involve [checks notes] gun control on [checks notes] largely legally obtained firearms.

You're doing great at hiding your embedded racism. Keep going, buddy!

10 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Sorry my hobby is considered sacrosanct.  But, dems da breaks.  

I missed all your concerned posts every time a stray bullet finds a child on the south side of <cantsayname>.  Guess those kids don't matter to you? Aggy, after all. 

Indiana is ten fucking minutes from Chicago. That's where the guns come from. Find new material. That dog won't hunt

 

10 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

So, FAFO gun boy.  You had my support at a limited level, and you no longer do.  I would rather see you in prison for not turning your weapons than see guns all over the place and people getting killed.

Oh noes!!  Which do you think happens first?  I got to prison because of a total gun ban, or my grandkids are arguing with yours about gun control?   

1 minute ago, cactusflinthead said:

Indiana is ten fucking minutes from Chicago. That's where the guns come from. Find new material. That dog won't hunt

 

What's your point?  Chicago has strict gun laws.  How is that working out for them?

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

What's your point?  Chicago has strict gun laws.  How is that working out for them?

They buy the guns in Indiana. You're being deliberately obtuse.

We've been over this almost every time. How convenient you have forgotten 

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Surely this will be the time that a real breakthrough will be made vis-à-vis Fatty <-> Surly relations. 

3 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

Surely this will be the time that a real breakthrough will be made vis-à-vis Fatty <-> Surly relations. 

I'm out of condescending outrage nomenclature and needed some low hanging fruit.

Nah, I know better. 

Won't matter. I can cite stuff like this all night and it will only make him dig in harder.

He doesn't give a shit.

"The lawsuit alleges that a review of federal prosecutions from December 2014 to April 2021 for illegal gun purchases in the Northern District of Indiana revealed approximately 44% of the cases involved sales at Westforth Sports. The documents, according to the lawsuit, show Westforth Sports is known to have sold at least 180 guns to at least 40 people later charged with federal crimes in connection with the purchases."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/04/27/chicago-sues-gun-store-tied-850-guns-recovered-crime-scenes/4854619001/

6 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

They buy the guns in Indiana. You're being deliberately obtuse.

We've been over this almost every time. How convenient you have forgotten 

I get that.   Your point is that law abiding citizens across the rest of the US should suffer due to the criminals?   Or, work with me, we could just start enforcing our laws.  

Instead, we got mutual combat.  But fuck all yall hunters and sport shooters, time to give up your shit for the "greater good".  Nah.  I'll take my chances with this court. 

  https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/after-mutual-combat-drama-foxx-and-lightfoot-announce-charges-in-west-side-shootout/

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/cook-county-prosecutors-deadly-shootout-stabbing-no-felony-charges-mutual-combat/

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He really is the perfect representative for the GQP. Just selfish as fuck and fine to let everyone eat shit as long as he gets his. 

I guess this is this week's episode of Fatty's Passion Topics that he Inexplicably Knows Literally Nothing About.

1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

I guess this is this week's episode of Fatty's Passion Topics that he Inexplicably Knows Literally Nothing About.

And an episode where you astonish us with your brilliance in all things. A truly dizzying intellect.  

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Remember when y’all told me not to engage with fatty? He and a few others like Ana, Poe, immaculate and donkey will not, no matter what, under any circumstances, change their mind/stance on these issues. They do not care. Y’all arguing with them does nothing. Nada.

It's like finding a carcass of something in the field. You know it's full of stink and maggots, but sometimes you just gotta take a stick and flip it over.

I usually regret it. But, there's something compelling about seeing the rank stupidity on full display. His or mine is open to interpretation.

15 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Remember when y’all told me not to engage with fatty? He and a few others like Ana, Poe, immaculate and donkey will not, no matter what, under any circumstances, change their mind/stance on these issues. They do not care. Y’all arguing with them does nothing. Nada.

How many minds have you seen changed on any big topics here?  Honestly.  It’s a fucking message board. 

Sane people must start challenging the prevailing notion that the 2nd amendment sacrosanct and more important than all of the other amendments. It is not, and it’s time we start ensuring domestic tranquility and allowing everybody a reasonable opportunity to pursue happiness.

Its the 2.1 amendment after it was revised to exclude militia service, framers intent, and states rights.
16 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

How many minds have you seen changed on any big topics here?  Honestly.  It’s a fucking message board. 

There are some mother fucking smart people all over this board. I'm not saying that I've ever had a strongly held position, read random stranger's post, and immediately did a 180. That's unrealistic and wouldn't speak highly of me if I did. But I at least try to keep a somewhat open mind and, when I find myself intellectually lacking on certain topics, I make a point to learn more about them independently (not in a "I do my own research!" kind of way).

You should try it.

9 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

There are some mother fucking smart people all over this board. I'm not saying that I've ever had a strongly held position, read random stranger's post, and immediately did a 180. That's unrealistic and wouldn't speak highly of me if I did. But I at least try to keep a somewhat open mind and, when I find myself intellectually lacking on certain topics, I make a point to learn more about them independently (not in a "I do my own research!" kind of way).

You should try it.

I have.   On many things.  I started pretty well down the center, but that is a losing proposition.  I bet that describes heaps of people here 

2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I have.   On many things.  I started pretty well down the center, but that is a losing proposition.  I bet that describes heaps of people here 

Dude, if your truly think you're anywhere near the center, I don't know what to tell you. 

Just now, aggie08 said:

Dude, if your truly think you're anywhere near the center, I don't know what to tell you. 

*was.  As noted, when I said “I started”.  Then i spent several years reading here, and realized I’d rather  beat the end of my dick with a hammer than be in the same political faction as most of the posters.  I used to think it was an elaborate troll, but no one can maintain that long.  Just fucking amazing, really. 

1 hour ago, 4th&amp;Five said:

He really is the perfect representative for the GQP. Just selfish as fuck and fine to let everyone eat shit as long as he gets his. 

That's really it in a nutshell.

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3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

*was.  As noted, when I said “I started”.  Then i spent several years reading here, and realized I’d rather  beat the end of my dick with a hammer than be in the same political faction as most of the posters.  I used to think it was an elaborate troll, but no one can maintain that long.  Just fucking amazing, really. 

So basically you saw people reject Trumpism and said “these people are crazy!”

5 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

*was.  As noted, when I said “I started”.  Then i spent several years reading here, and realized I’d rather  beat the end of my dick with a hammer than be in the same political faction as most of the posters.  I used to think it was an elaborate troll, but no one can maintain that long.  Just fucking amazing, really. 

Keep lying and deflecting. It suits you.

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2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

It’s pretty simple to me.  I live in Houston.  Statistics can tell you where I’m more likely to be shot, and the odds simply aren’t “lunatic with AR-15”.  
 

Crazy we have information coming out on this manifesto but still nothing on Nashville.  Curious. 

If there is no information out there about Nashville, then how do you know anything? Your concern is not breadth of coverage. Your concern is that you can't find a way to use the Nashville information to distract and deflect from the concern about mass shootings in general and the use of military style weapons by the perpetrators. 

I'm sorry your distraction doesn't fly in this context. Perhaps you should try to stay within the bounds of the discussion.

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

This can literally be plugged into any law abiding person who has a violent crime committed against them. 
 

Wife and I were just heading to dinner. Never expected to be carjacked and killed.   I was just lying in bed in my suburban house, never expected the door to be kicked in and robbed/raped/killed.  Examples of things that we do every single day.  That doesn’t resonate with you?   Or do you not believe the same can happen? Just a fateful trip to the restaurant? 

Actually, the crimes are profoundly different even it the results may be the same. The violent home invaders you describe operate with a discernable even if despicable motive. They're violent thieves. It's the same with your carjackers. Violent felons trying to steal and exercising their more brutal inclinations.

The Walmart killer, the guy(s) in Florida, the church and synagogue shooters, the guy who shot up Sandy Hook and the bloody child murderer of Uvalde represent violence and capability and motive that are alarming in their execution. None of these men had motives related to gain for themselves. There is no way to predict where such men will strike.

In your home, you can take measures to secure yourselves: locked doors, alarm systems, security services, and the bedside pistol. In your car, you can be careful about how you stop in traffic: leave room between you and the car in front to drive off if need be. Avoid areas that have experienced car jacking. Maybe have mace or a pistol in the car. In short, there is enough predictability in the possible crime to give you some chance of preventing or eluding the perpetrators.

Shopping in a Walmart, teaching elementary school kids, or going to a social gathering in a synagogue are not events likely to attract violent criminals. The woman in her car (handicapped spot, I noticed) in Jacksonville has no real defense against a series of military rounds smashing through the windshield of her car. Why would anyone do that? Same for the other mass shoootings named in this horrifying thread. This is the reason they're so WTF?

Compared to other violent crime, the motive is either indescernable or founded simply in hate. The AR-15 magnifies the damage that can be done.

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Now do carjacking, the folks routinely robbed eating dinner up and down westheimer, and home invasions.    Hint, they happen a lot more frequently than the event you’re so scared of. 

Like my first answer above, this is irrelevant to the topic. Addressing the topic of those crimes is not essential to the topic of America's gun culture and the resulting mass shootings. You mention fear. If a wolf is running me down, should my fear or focus be diminished because somewhere else a guy is being run down by a tiger?

I missed all of your concerned off-topic posts about dog-poisoning or human trafficking. I guess you are a hypocrite. Either that, or the form of "argument" you think you are employing here is fallacious. I'll let the people decide.

The intentions of someone concerned about cleaning the water supply in one village is not diminished nor made into hypocrisy because the person isn't taking action for all villages in the world.

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Ackshully, what I said was that anyone would.  
 

So please, you dishonest piece of shit, point me to your concern when it isn’t a white guy using an AR-15.  Surely you’ve noted it somewhere on this site? I mean, you are really really concerned about ALL the violence, right?   You can very simply find examples in papers across the country everyday to link and expound on.  You’re passionate about the problem, right? 

This is a symptom of what the hate engine and Rush Limbaugh and his ilk have done to discourse. You believe that criticizing the scope of someone's concern proves the person's hypocrisy thus allowing you to dismiss all else associated with that person and issue. This substitute for reasoning is maybe the most pervasive and cancerous of the right's attempt to destroy the republic.

I've seen this idiotic tactic used many times over the decades. A GOP who wouldn't offer a street person a sandwich he found on the ground turns the magnificent engine of his intellect on the DEM. "So you're all about loving humanity, but you didn't raise a finger to help the people starving in the Sahara! I think I'll go and be smug now as I do absolutely nothing for anybody anywhere."

It's hard to determine if this practice is more despicable or cretinous.

2 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

you are a joke. sorry but you are a fucking joke. Your party is a joke and you can take your guns and shove them all the way up your asshole. eat shit. 

Because of the things I wrote above, this post is what reasonable people are left with.  You make yourself the stone on which the toe is stubbed. Implacable deliverer of pain.

1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

He really is the perfect representative for the GQP. Just selfish as fuck and fine to let everyone eat shit as long as he gets his. 

Ditto

52 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

How many minds have you seen changed on any big topics here?  Honestly.  It’s a fucking message board. 

Many people responding to you had voted GOP most of their lives. There are recent defections from the GOP as well. Good people have trouble sustaining lies. Good people eventually recognize when all the dogma about policy is just a sugar coating on a poison pill. They admirably make that step away from something that had been a big part of their identity.

They don't embrace Dem policies; they just have no home where their political philosophies hold sway. 

I've been persuaded to change my mind about different things here. There is no argument strong enough that I would consider voting GOP. I can imagine arguments and political developments that would sway my voting tendency from the Dems as a party despite the presence there of many excellent leaders and persons who truly care about the republic.

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got rid of a remnant

Fatty lives in a fantasy world where, whenever Trump is out of the picture (when, exactly?), all of these principled, reasonable, anti-regulation, tough-on-crime, tax cut conservatives that have been laying low for 8 years trying to not get ostracized by MAGA are going to perk up, and it's going going to be business as usual.

Whatever he thought that world was no longer exists.

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He’ll proudly jump in line to vote for MTG in ‘28. 

6 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Your concern is that you can't find a way to use the Nashville information to distract and deflect from the concern about mass shootings in general and the use of military style weapons by the perpetrators.

My concern is how we either hide or broadcast politically charged information when it's convenient.

7 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Actually, the crimes are profoundly different even it the results may be the same.

Then, there really isn't a difference, is there?  

8 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Avoid areas that have experienced car jacking. Maybe have mace or a pistol in the car

But, 

8 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

The woman in her car (handicapped spot, I noticed) in Jacksonville has no real defense against a series of military rounds smashing through the windshield of her car.

How about that pistol you mentioned in your other example.  Also, btw, a "military" round. 

 

9 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

You believe that criticizing the scope of someone's concern proves the person's hypocrisy thus allowing you to dismiss all else associated with that person and issue.

This is literally the shit flung at me anytime someone gets shot and the board decides to care about the event.  Like the "mass shooting" in JAX that doesn't even meet the threshold of the definition.  Criticized for the scope of my concern.  So please, tell me more about the hypocrisy.

13 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Addressing the topic of those crimes is not essential the topic of America's gun culture and the resulting mass shootings.

Of course it is.  Most aren't even bothered enough until unequivocally the other side committing the crime.  And it's never the persons fault, it's these goddamn policies and this goddamn war.  Or mental health.  Or pay inequality.  Can never just be an asshole committing a crime, well, until a certain couple of things align with the story.  If it weren't for the violence, there wouldn't be an issue with America's "gun culture". 

15 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Because of the things I wrote above, this post is what reasonable people are left with.

Literally 15 posters of which that would bother me.  Couldn't find a fuck less to give otherwise. 

17 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Many people responding to you had voted GOP most of their lives. There are recent defections from the GOP as well. Good people have trouble sustaining lies. Good people eventually recognize when all the dogma about policy is just a sugar coating on a poison pill. They admirably make that step away from something that had been a big part of their identity.

They don't embrace Dem policies; they just have no home where their political philosophies hold sway. 

I've been persuaded to change my mind about different things here. There is no argument strong enough that I would consider voting GOP. I can imagine arguments and political developments that would sway my voting tendency from the Dems as a party despite the presence there of many excellent leaders and persons who truly care about the republic.

Every single bolded word of this is LOL. There are Russians and jihadists that hate the US less than some of the D politicians.  

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Can never just be an asshole committing a crime

Man, really unfortunate coincidence that almost all of the would-be murdering assholes wound up in America.

5 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Every single bolded word of this is LOL. There are Russians and jihadists that hate the US less than some of the D politicians.  

Name one, please.

1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

I get that.   Your point is that law abiding citizens across the rest of the US should suffer due to the criminals?

Yes.  That's my point.  And guess what, asshole?  A whole bunch of us who supported limited 2A rights are moving away from any rights at all.  You think votes don't matter?  You are literally campaigning against your own "best" interests, you fucking fool.

Seriously, where's the harm?  Let's ban all guns.  Let's do it.  I'm finally on board.  Fuck the gun culture.

41 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

*was.  As noted, when I said “I started”.  Then i spent several years reading here, and realized I’d rather  beat the end of my dick with a hammer than be in the same political faction as most of the posters.  I used to think it was an elaborate troll, but no one can maintain that long.  Just fucking amazing, really. 

well lucky for you there's a place where beating the end of your dick with a hammer is a time honored tradition! you'll absolutely fit right in! congratulations on finding your people. 

Fun fact-Donald Trump has not fired a round in 60 years.  But he is what we should think of when we think of responsible sportsmen.  

I wish some of you would also take SCUBA lessons from him as well because he also doesn't know how to swim.  Real Alpha Male.  

People are writing down, with the explicit request that law enforcement read it, their weapon of choice and their target of choice and we have 'educated' people disclaiming, "Yeah, but they would have found another gun to use or group to shoot."

Only thing missing from this thread is "You know...as a student of the Constitution..." 

16 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Goddamn it y’all.

I'm sorry, truly. I'm just still laughing at the notion that fatty considered himself "center", witnessed 2016, and decided that the prudent thing would be to align himself further right in not-so-silent protest of some strangers he finds annoying on the Internet.*

You know, like a smart person.

These are the logical giants that we're dealing with. I appreciate the unintended humor.

*and then proceed to troll them for 7 years for the lulz like any stable, happy individual.

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2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

What's your point?  Chicago has strict gun laws.  How is that working out for them?

Clearly, we need to build walls along all state borders.

We're gonna build a wall around the State of Chicago because of the violence and we're gonna get Maryland to pay for it!  

-Most Trump voters 

 

2 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

I get that.   Your point is that law abiding citizens across the rest of the US should suffer due to the criminals?   

you must have a really weird definition of suffering if restrictions on certain deadly weapons qualifies as such

2 hours ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Remember when y’all told me not to engage with fatty? He and a few others like Ana, Poe, immaculate and donkey will not, no matter what, under any circumstances, change their mind/stance on these issues. They do not care. Y’all arguing with them does nothing. Nada.

True, but we should not allow their lies to go unchallenged.  

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