December 6, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said: What about threatening to take the gun form you and shooting you with it, and then actually trying that? Let him present that as his defense but this should go to trial.
December 6, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said: What about threatening to take the gun form you and shooting you with it, and then actually trying that? Taking a gun away from someone brandishing it at you seems like more of a defensive move than bringing a gun and escalating things until you get to use your guns. Just don't understand why regular Joe's think they can use police tactics
December 6, 20214 yr man i'd really love to be on the jury for a guy who added guns to a situation and then started fearing for his life
December 6, 20214 yr 58 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said: What about threatening to take the gun form you and shooting you with it, and then actually trying that? I'm not saying green shirt was totally in the right, but if you brandish a gun at me, couldn't I be right in taking it from you?
December 6, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, 52-80 said: theres no world where that guy was in fear for his life. all parties knew each other. thats a guy that’s wanted to shoot / kill / murder someone his whole life
December 6, 20214 yr I'm not saying green shirt was totally in the right, but if you brandish a gun at me, couldn't I be right in taking it from you?Being on his parents property or where he was living keeps it from being brandishing under law right? Particularly with it being a rifle. What if it was an AR pistol? Would that even matter in this case?I understand attempting to take a gun away from someone to protect yourself. I’m sure a lot of people would. To me, it’s more of a problem when he dares him to shoot him, threatens to take it from him and use it on him, and doesn’t leave after the warning shot.
December 6, 20214 yr 13 hours ago, tx 3 putt said: if you have time to go inside, get a weapon, come back and re engage, then shoot someone <<<< no way in hell that's self defense if your life is in danger, keep your ass inside This just seems like way too much common sense. I realize this is a practical comment vs. a legal one, but should there not be some weight to the fact that the guys know each other? From a common sense perspective, IMHO there is a big difference between someone you know vs. a stranger. If the guy feared for his life, go inside, get the gun if you want, lock the door and call the cops. He might hate the guy, but he knows him and had a decent idea of his intentions for better or worse. I would have a little more sympathy if it was an erratic stranger, and one has no idea what his intentions, mental state, etc., could be; but this obviously was not the first conflict they had.
December 6, 20214 yr Not trying to parallel any actual scenarios, but if 2 people are arguing and both are unarmed/or concealed so neither party is 100% on the other's weapon status. Person 1 "brandishes" (not pointing) his weapon first from a concealed holster would person 2 be justified in pulling his concealed gun and pointing and possibly shooting person 1? Assuming this is on a 3rd parties property so there is no tresspassing angle. Or does that go to trial and it's up to a jury to decide.
December 6, 20214 yr we should go back to the good old days where gentlemen could challenge each other to a duel.
December 6, 20214 yr Whoa, whoa was there a similar shooting in Lubbock on the same day but that shooter was not well off / politically connected ??? the other shooter was arrested Edited December 6, 20214 yr by tx 3 putt
December 7, 20214 yr What about threatening to take the gun form you and shooting you with it, and then actually trying that? If the attempt to take the gun from you failed, no
December 7, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, DanRydell said: If the attempt to take the gun from you failed, no Yeah, the words alone aren't going to do it. Grabbing hold of the gun aint gonna do it. And, of course, once he gets the gun away from you, any "self-defense" justification just flip-flopped.
December 9, 20214 yr A few years ago in Midland a homeowner shot and killed a police officer who entered his home after a false security alarm. He was charged with murder and just acquitted today. That is a non-guilty verdict I can get behind in a castle doctrine case. https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/crime/trial-david-wilson-midland-police-officer-nathan-heidelberg/513-1e34dfd5-86ab-4384-898f-921bc8103f64 The one this thread is about however, I cannot at this point. Edited December 9, 20214 yr by used2b
December 9, 20214 yr On 12/2/2021 at 2:44 PM, Bravo said: You're going to get blasted and get off if you attack someone on their porch while they have a gun and tell that person I'm going to take that from you and shoot you with it. Regardless of being a fucking moronic asshole who chose to bring the gun out which is legal. He may have wanted to kill him but he didn't initiate the physical aggression. 2 imbeciles dancing. "he didn't initiate the physical aggression". no he just initiated a fight or flight response from an otherwise non-threatening man when he brought a goddamn gun to an argument that had nothing to do with him. the murdering psychopath is absolutely responsible for the physical confrontation.
December 9, 20214 yr i saw this video this morning, and it 100% reminded me of this thread, right down to the steeler fan's reaction to having beer poured in his face. steelers guy is upset, but he's otherwise just sitting there and not really a threat to anyone. then baltimore chick introduces a beer to the face, and steelers guy reacts *exactly the same way* as the deceased did here. exactly the same way. you don't get to push someone over the edge, whether it's grabbing a gun and threatening to kill them, or pouring a beer in their face, and then say, "well he didn't have to react the way he did." no, you didn't have to escalate the shit out of a petty argument. i swear, American adults need some kind of Rage Room TM service where every once in a while you can go get all your pent up aggression out by kicking, punching, smashing, and shooting up everything in a specially designed place for releasing aggression. it's like half the population is just walking around praying they'll have a reason to start some shit today.
December 9, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, shadow_operative said: i swear, American adults need some kind of Rage Room TM service where every once in a while you can go get all your pent up aggression out by kicking, punching, smashing, and shooting up everything in a specially designed place for releasing aggression. it's like half the population is just walking around praying they'll have a reason to start some shit today. 100%. I've been talking this talk since I can remember--conflict resolution is dead. De-escalation is seen as weakness. I blame Corporate Media/Social Media for exacerbating "rage culture/rage clicks". Hell, just look at this site. So many people get angry about stupid opinions that most of us avoid certain discussions.
December 9, 20214 yr 100%. I've been talking this talk since I can remember--conflict resolution is dead. De-escalation is seen as weakness. I blame Corporate Media/Social Media for exacerbating "rage culture/rage clicks". Hell, just look at this site. So many people get angry about stupid opinions that most of us avoid certain discussions. It’s not my fault you put beans in your chili.But I’m gonna take care of that transgression.
December 9, 20214 yr Just now, Brisketexan said: It’s not my fault you put beans in your chili. YOU SON OF A BITCH LETS GO RIGHT NOW
December 9, 20214 yr 22 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said: YOU SON OF A BITCH LETS GO RIGHT NOW Take a sip of sweet tea and calm down.
December 9, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said: Take a sip of sweet tea and calm down. Bud light is superior to any of them Commie Micro Brews.
December 9, 20214 yr 15 hours ago, used2b said: A few years ago in Midland a homeowner shot and killed a police officer who entered his home after a false security alarm. He was charged with murder and just acquitted today. That is a non-guilty verdict I can get behind in a castle doctrine case. https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/crime/trial-david-wilson-midland-police-officer-nathan-heidelberg/513-1e34dfd5-86ab-4384-898f-921bc8103f64 The one this thread is about however, I cannot at this point. I assume he will move away pretty quickly. MPD will be gunning for him.
December 9, 20214 yr i saw this video this morning, and it 100% reminded me of this thread, right down to the steeler fan's reaction to having beer poured in his face. steelers guy is upset, but he's otherwise just sitting there and not really a threat to anyone. then baltimore chick introduces a beer to the face, and steelers guy reacts *exactly the same way* as the deceased did here. exactly the same way. you don't get to push someone over the edge, whether it's grabbing a gun and threatening to kill them, or pouring a beer in their face, and then say, "well he didn't have to react the way he did." no, you didn't have to escalate the shit out of a petty argument. i swear, American adults need some kind of Rage Room TM service where every once in a while you can go get all your pent up aggression out by kicking, punching, smashing, and shooting up everything in a specially designed place for releasing aggression. it's like half the population is just walking around praying they'll have a reason to start some shit today. You haven’t quite put it all together have you. Right wing media for the past 40 years has been telling right wing wackos they are victims, how everyone is living the good life off the backs of “real Americans” like them, and how they are victims that need to stand up and fight for their country or we are not going to have one anymore. The rhetoric is ladened with violence and the campaigns are littered with threats and images of violence. The right pretends that this type of advertising doesn’t work. And that it is the left that is promoting violence. With guys like andy ngo provoking incidents and crying about it all the way to the bank. This is a product of an unengaged, under educated, overworked populous being fed bullshit and lacking the skill to think objectively. There is a reason former republicans keep saying facts have a liberal bias. There is a reason they do not want free and fair elections and representation. This is the world they want. Violent, backwards looking with an uneducated populous of victims, easy to manipulate.
December 9, 20214 yr 29 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said: Bud light is superior to any of them Commie Micro Brews. who doesn't love fortified rice beverage?
December 9, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, Nivek said: You haven’t quite put it all together have you. Right wing media for the past 40 years has been telling right wing wackos they are victims, how everyone is living the good life off the backs of “real Americans” like them, and how they are victims that need to stand up and fight for their country or we are not going to have one anymore. The rhetoric is ladened with violence and the campaigns are littered with threats and images of violence. The right pretends that this type of advertising doesn’t work. And that it is the left that is promoting violence. With guys like andy ngo provoking incidents and crying about it all the way to the bank. This is a product of an unengaged, under educated, overworked populous being fed bullshit and lacking the skill to think objectively. There is a reason former republicans keep saying facts have a liberal bias. There is a reason they do not want free and fair elections and representation. This is the world they want. Violent, backwards looking with an uneducated populous of victims, easy to manipulate. CR----------->
December 9, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, shadow_operative said: i swear, American adults need some kind of Rage Room TM service where every once in a while you can go get all your pent up aggression out by kicking, punching, smashing, and shooting up everything in a specially designed place for releasing aggression. it's like half the population is just walking around praying they'll have a reason to start some shit today. Two things: 1. Watching that kid in the video, who may or may not be with the dude who got beer thrown at him, is fucking heartbreaking. People fucking suck. If I didn't think it would be abused bureaucratically I might get on board with procreation licenses. 2. There are lots of places as you describe. Here's one of a few in the Austin area: https://www.thebreakingpointaustintx.com/ Maybe we should hand out vouchers or something.
December 9, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said: Two things: 1. Watching that kid in the video, who may or may not be with the dude who got beer thrown at him, is fucking heartbreaking. People fucking suck. If I didn't think it would be abused bureaucratically I might get on board with procreation licenses. 2. There are lots of places as you describe. Here's one of a few in the Austin area: https://www.thebreakingpointaustintx.com/ Maybe we should hand out vouchers or something. 1)yes, i feel just terrible for that kid. he's sitting there bawling while all of the "adults" around him act like children. 2)wow, who knew? that's pretty cool.
December 9, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Nivek said: You haven’t quite put it all together have you. Right wing media for the past 40 years has been telling right wing wackos they are victims, how everyone is living the good life off the backs of “real Americans” like them, and how they are victims that need to stand up and fight for their country or we are not going to have one anymore. The rhetoric is ladened with violence and the campaigns are littered with threats and images of violence. The right pretends that this type of advertising doesn’t work. And that it is the left that is promoting violence. With guys like andy ngo provoking incidents and crying about it all the way to the bank. This is a product of an unengaged, under educated, overworked populous being fed bullshit and lacking the skill to think objectively. There is a reason former republicans keep saying facts have a liberal bias. There is a reason they do not want free and fair elections and representation. This is the world they want. Violent, backwards looking with an uneducated populous of victims, easy to manipulate. sorry dude, this is a day off. CR in DT. you know better.
December 9, 20214 yr <Trigger Warning> If we're honest, we know what the problem is in this entire situation, the tie that binds Spoiler The Psycho Ex
December 9, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Samson's Wig said: Two things: 1. Watching that kid in the video, who may or may not be with the dude who got beer thrown at him, is fucking heartbreaking. People fucking suck. If I didn't think it would be abused bureaucratically I might get on board with procreation licenses. 2. There are lots of places as you describe. Here's one of a few in the Austin area: https://www.thebreakingpointaustintx.com/ Maybe we should hand out vouchers or something. No doubt. My attention was quickly drawn to the kid, who's just trying to watch a fucking football game. "Heartbreaking" is exactly the right word. As an aside, it's really sad that this is what the NFL has become. When I was a kid, we had Cowboys season tickets. I went to goddamned near every game from about 1987 to 1993. Some of my favorite memories were of skipping out early on Thanksgiving dinner with my father to go to the Cowboys game. I still love you, Leon Lett! My son is a huge Giants fan. But I'm not taking him to an NFL game, because that shit is fucking dangerous now. If he ever does go to an NFL game, it's going to be in the super-expensive seats. But even then, I don't think that's good enough because the hoi-polloi save up all their fucking nickels and will buy up those seats.
December 9, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, Judge Roybeanbag said: Take a sip of sweet tea and calm down. Unsweetened, you son of a bitch.
December 9, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, workswithseed said: Unsweetened, you son of a bitch. Half and half is the compromise we all need to make.
December 9, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, ABSR said: Half and half is the compromise we all need to make. I don’t even put that shit in my coffee why would I put it in my unsweet tea?
December 9, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said: I don’t even put that shit in my coffee why would I put it in my unsweet tea?
December 9, 20214 yr 29 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said: No doubt. My attention was quickly drawn to the kid, who's just trying to watch a fucking football game. "Heartbreaking" is exactly the right word. As an aside, it's really sad that this is what the NFL has become. When I was a kid, we had Cowboys season tickets. I went to goddamned near every game from about 1987 to 1993. Some of my favorite memories were of skipping out early on Thanksgiving dinner with my father to go to the Cowboys game. I still love you, Leon Lett! My son is a huge Giants fan. But I'm not taking him to an NFL game, because that shit is fucking dangerous now. If he ever does go to an NFL game, it's going to be in the super-expensive seats. But even then, I don't think that's good enough because the hoi-polloi save up all their fucking nickels and will buy up those seats. I completely agree and it's sad. I wouldn't get my kids within a mile of an NFL game. College football games are heading in the same direction, sadly. College basketball is still largely kid friendly, and I've taken the kids to a few games. I'm really excited to be taking my kids to their first NHL game in Toronto right after Christmas - although that atmosphere is kid safe for a couple of reasons: it's in Canada and we bought the expensive seats. Not all NHL games are kid friendly.
December 9, 20214 yr 48 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said: My son is a huge Giants fan Damn. That's borderline abuse if you don't stop him.
December 9, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, Cheeseweasel said: CR-----------> Sweet tea and chili with beans isn’t CR, it’s standard fare.
December 9, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Judge Roybeanbag said: Sweet tea and chili with beans isn’t CR, it’s standard fare. Wars were fought over less.
December 9, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, workswithseed said: Unsweetened, you son of a bitch. And just to give you a modicum of satisfaction, I do occasionally enjoy tea with a teaspoon of sugar and some lemon. Shoot me.
December 9, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said: Wars were fought over less. People were outraged. I’m pretty sure King George waged a war on Christmas. Btw please go hurl snowball batteries at the giants fan up above. Edited December 9, 20214 yr by Judge Roybeanbag
December 9, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said: And just to give you a modicum of satisfaction, I do occasionally enjoy tea with a teaspoon of sugar and some lemon. Shoot me.
December 9, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said: doubt. My attention was quickly drawn to the kid, who's just trying to watch a fucking football game. "Heartbreaking" is exactly the right word. Somehow missed that thru the first watch. ugh.
December 9, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said: And just to give you a modicum of satisfaction, I do occasionally enjoy tea with a teaspoon of sugar and some lemon. Shoot me. Edited December 9, 20214 yr by NeverMarryAStripper
December 9, 20214 yr Just now, NeverMarryAStripper said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6o0WuaZOL Says it's unavailable.
December 9, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, NeverMarryAStripper said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6o0WuaZOL Ok I’ve now outed myself.
December 9, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, shadow_operative said: i saw this video this morning, and it 100% reminded me of this thread, right down to the steeler fan's reaction to having beer poured in his face. steelers guy is upset, but he's otherwise just sitting there and not really a threat to anyone. then baltimore chick introduces a beer to the face, and steelers guy reacts *exactly the same way* as the deceased did here. exactly the same way. you don't get to push someone over the edge, whether it's grabbing a gun and threatening to kill them, or pouring a beer in their face, and then say, "well he didn't have to react the way he did." no, you didn't have to escalate the shit out of a petty argument. i swear, American adults need some kind of Rage Room TM service where every once in a while you can go get all your pent up aggression out by kicking, punching, smashing, and shooting up everything in a specially designed place for releasing aggression. it's like half the population is just walking around praying they'll have a reason to start some shit today. You know what part made me the saddest? The guy's 10 year old kid is balling his eyes out. SMH. That sucks.
December 9, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Judge Roybeanbag said: And just to give you a modicum of satisfaction, I do occasionally enjoy tea with a teaspoon of sugar and some lemon. Shoot me. To make sweet tea you’d need like 5 teaspoons of sugar to go along with your diabetes medication. If I’m in the mood and want the tea to be sweet, I use like half a sweet-n-low and a lime. Back on topic, shooting people is bad.
December 10, 20214 yr 6 hours ago, TKthunder2 said: I don’t even put that shit in my coffee why would I put it in my unsweet tea? Half sweet tea and half unsweetened.
January 6, 20223 yr The widow lost her suit to take custody of the killer’s kids. I don’t think she ever had any standing in the first place, but I don’t do family law. Sucks for these kids though. If I was one of them, I’d end up killing that prick in his sleep and never speak to my mother again.https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/judge-dismisses-family-law-case-of-children-whose-father-was-shot-killed-on-texas-front-porch-during-argument-over-custody/Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
January 7, 20223 yr On 12/3/2021 at 7:55 PM, mchookem said: so i guess where i land on this one is about the same as KR...the shooting seems legally justified, but just their posession of the firearm unnecessarily escalated what almost certainly would/should have been a non-lethal situation. so...yay them? oh and same for the Daniel Perry/Garrett Foster incident except times two. pew! pew! Pardon me for bringing this back up or restating my case. Do I believe that with some decent lawyers can take the shooters case to court and win that is say it was justified? Yea. But the shooter had a moment where he could’ve spared the victim. “Dude get off my porch don’t advance”. Instead he just shot him
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