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  • Now apply that way of thinking to other topics: You want me to stop treating minorities like shit when people in other countries can treat their minorities like shit? You want me to pay

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  • what a thread.   the thread i jumped on back in like 2008 or something started with a claim that the Arctic would be ice free by the summer of 2012.  this didn't happen. in fact, while 2012

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27 minutes ago, troph said:

imagine how much more we could do if this was a natural issue not a political one. makes me so mad. my team doesn't care so I don't care. grrr.

We are dooming multiple generations due to this.  I'm sure they won't mind.

6 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

We are dooming multiple generations due to this.  I'm sure they won't mind.

If they're anything like Uvalde, they'll continue voting Republican, even at the expense of their offspring.  Leopards faces person woman man camera tv whatnot.  

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15 hours ago, Mdhorn said:

If they're anything like Uvalde, they'll continue voting Republican, even at the expense of their offspring.  Leopards faces person woman man camera tv whatnot.  

I hate to wish Midland ill, but if the wind was blowing eastward perhaps the resulting pollution lingered over Tim Dunn's 6000 sq ft place.

On 3/21/2024 at 10:55 PM, BeardIP said:

Amazon says its plastic packaging can be recycled. An investigation finds it usually isn’t. (Grist) https://grist.org/accountability/amazon-says-its-plastic-packaging-can-be-recycled-an-investigation-finds-it-usually-isnt/

Shit, I could've told ya that. Anytime there's something besides that sole material - like say a foam polymer infill in a paper envelope - it's not gonna be recyclable mainly due to contamination. And even so, most of the plastic that's taken in is too dirty to clean or separate and is just burned as a heat source, rather than landfilling a boatload of plastic every day

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23 minutes ago, troph said:

This is awesome too. 30% of DR waters now protected. 
 

 

This is great, but very misleading. This impacts the tourist trade. Not the water around the island. I lived there in the early 1980's for three years and was at the beach every weekend. All over the island. Reefs were pristine, lots of fish. Went back in the 1990's quite a bit. My brothers live there. It was night and day and has only gotten worse. Some areas, where the resorts are have maintained some beauty, but it is not the same and doubt it will recover.

Santo Domingo is filthy. The two rivers do nothin gbut push waste into the water. You DO NOT swim in the city. I mean NEVER. No one does. Puerto Plata is going in that direction.

So don't want to be a downer, and as I said, this is great. But it is a band aid when amputation is needed.

9 minutes ago, troph said:

I’ve spent enough time around to be under no illusion these moves are starting from a position being ahead. The Caribbean especially is turbo fucked.  South Pacific not so much. But everywhere is playing from behind at this point.

One client is a NZ company. They do a lot of environment work in the South Pacific. Owner has been working there for about 40 years and says the damage is real and getting worse. His big bitch. Micro plastic and chinese fishing boats, or raiders as he calls them.

Oceans are going to be the first to show us how badly we fucked up. Reefs are devastated. 

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2 hours ago, BevoAbyss said:

About rafting in the Rio Grande:

-- I first rafted Santa Elena Canyon in 1993 and 1996. Both times, the river had shallow parts where we had to drag the raft around boulders and over rocks. The river levels do fluctuate, but there is no doubt the river is more shallow or dried up for longer periods of time. The dams in New Mexico are a key source of the problem, as well as overpopulation, drought, and agricultural excess.

-- As the Canyon got deeper ... and water got deeper ... you could hear the sandy water quietly grinding like sandpaper carving the canyon walls. It was unreal. Will never forget it.

-- The "beaches" inside the Canyon (as it snaked along) were 100% pristine. And no doubt the Canyon Walls are spectacular, rising over 1000 feet.

-- At night, you could see the flashes of lightning bugs galore... and hear bat wings flapping as they zoomed in for the late-night snacks.

But, the most epic experience was seeing the Milky Way rise above the towering Canyon walls, shrouded in complete and total darkness. It was like a wide ribbon of glowing stars/stardust astride the Canyon walls, which were pitch black. Majestic, magnificent, mind-blowing.

-- My girlfriend and I were just in complete and total awe. Overwhelmed at times. She even shed a tear or two. A truly sublime experience.

-- For a good couple of hours, we just laid on the beach looking up and sipping some tequila. It was ever more mesmerizing as our eyes adjusted to the darkness. (I think it is called the "scotopic" part of human vision.) The Milky Way seemed like it was in 3D. 

-- Friends, if you have never rafted the Santa Elena Canyon, put it on your bucket list. And do an overnighter to see the Milky Way. You will never forget it. 

Some photos from the East Rim from my overnight in October 2021. 
 

 

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2 hours ago, BeardIP said:

Happy Earth Day. And this is super insightful (below) and I'll be the first to admit I'm guilty. I can't/won't eat chicken sausage or turkey bacon, much less plant-based meat.

 

I much prefer turkey and white meat in general over red meat (though I get down on some brisket and/or steak probably once a month or so) and love the Beyond Meat and Morning Star plant-based stuff.  It helps that my wife is mostly a vegetarian and a great chef, but the benefits to the environment are astounding. 

 

I eat plant based meats. They’re delicious. My wife makes the best impossible lasagna. I also eat regular meat. Also delicious. 

I haven’t found a plant based chicken that’s good yet. That shit needs work. 

Any good ones that aren’t high in sodium?

2 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Ballgame?

If that report holds true, houston will have roughly 180 days a year with temps over 100 degrees by 2036. Cool cool

On 4/22/2024 at 5:26 PM, Neonmoon said:

I eat plant based meats. They’re delicious. My wife makes the best impossible lasagna. I also eat regular meat. Also delicious. 

I haven’t found a plant based chicken that’s good yet. That shit needs work. 

I eat meats that were fed plants. Does that count? 

On 4/22/2024 at 6:37 PM, 4th&Five said:

Any good ones that aren’t high in sodium?

No idea. Haven’t really dug that deep on it. Seems comparable to fast food burgers., but yeah, higher than store bought beef. Which makes sense, non processed always better for you, no matter the product. 

20 minutes ago, troph said:

I'm as doom and gloom as anyone, well not really, but I get shit is changing but I'm not really looking to Texas A&M for my climate science research tbqh. call it bias, don't care.

Ha, how do you feel about one of the leading climate chanage scientists in the world teaches at Texas Tech? 

21 minutes ago, BeardIP said:

I'd rather just intermittent fast and skip a meal than eat chicken sasuage or turkey burgers and save up my consumption to make it worthwhile. In fact, that's what I mostly do with red meat-- I won't eat a steak for example unless it's a bone-in ribeye. Miss me with any other cuts, including filets, regular ribeyes, etc.

Check out some Chinese/Indian recipes. Typical American cuisine's treatment of chicken, lentils, and beans are boring. 

Let’s stop beating around the bush and have some people admit that they either don’t understand or don’t give a shit that the continued cultivation of cows (especially), pigs, chickens, and other livestock is decimating our environment. DECIMATING.  
 

Yeah, I love steak too man. Burgers are good. Chicken wings are a staple!  I get it. BUT. Just take it down a notch. No one has a knife to your throat saying you have to eat tempeh 6 days a week and you have to go to Whole Foods to buy kale to shove in your wife’s pussy before you can fuck it. Though I am open minded. 
 

My point is “eh, I don’t really want to go to plant based or lab grown meat because it’s weird” is a stupid and fucked up argument. It’s a moral imperative to stop eating that shit all the time. And the alternatives already taste good and are only going to get better. 
 

Eat up buttercups!  The next step if you don’t is fucking Soylent green. 

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6 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Let’s stop beating around the bush and have some people admit that they either don’t understand or don’t give a shit that the continued cultivation of cows (especially), pigs, chickens, and other livestock is decimating our environment. DECIMATING.  
 

Yeah, I love steak too man. Burgers are good. Chicken wings are a staple!  I get it. BUT. Just take it down a notch. No one has a knife to your throat saying you have to eat tempeh 6 days a week and you have to go to Whole Foods to buy kale to shove in your wife’s pussy before you can fuck it. Though I am open minded. 
 

My point is “eh, I don’t really want to go to plant based or lab grown meat because it’s weird” is a stupid and fucked up argument. It’s a moral imperative to stop eating that shit all the time. And the alternatives already taste good and are only going to get better. 
 

Eat up buttercups!  The next step if you don’t is fucking Soylent green. 

Our use of fossil fuels is the number one problem. If we don’t address that then switching to vegetarianism, which I am never going to do, won’t amount to much. Yes, the livestock issue is a problem. It’s not the main problem. And we’re not doing much to address the main problem.

Jesus, we have a former president, who’s running for president again, who denies that global warming is real and is still chanting “Drill, baby, drill!”

I'll drive an electric car, give up riding gas-powered motorcycles, recycle, quit using plastic, etc.  But fuck giving up animal protein.  Ain't. Gonna. Happen. 

9 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I'll drive an electric car, give up riding gas-powered motorcycles, recycle, quit using plastic, etc.  But fuck giving up animal protein.  Ain't. Gonna. Happen. 

It's not about giving it up.  It's about moderation.  The demand for beef specifically is way higher than can be sustainably produced.  It honestly wouldn't take a huge effort to make a dent, just a widespread effort.  Only eat 4 fast food burgers a week instead of 5.  Across the nation that would be a massive drop in demand.  I know I'm kidding myself.

19 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I'll drive an electric car, give up riding gas-powered motorcycles, recycle, quit using plastic, etc.  But fuck giving up animal protein.  Ain't. Gonna. Happen. 

Username checks out?

I eat a lot less beef than I used to. I eat mostly chicken and pork. Sometimes I’ll go days without eating meat. Not out of a sense of moral responsibility or anything. Just a matter of ease and convenience. I can get by pretty well on fruit and nuts. I eat lots of apples and bananas and snack on peanuts daily. (And haven’t had a cold or anything else since before the pandemic)

But yeah, I’m never giving up meat. I’m just one person. I don’t have kids. (Glad I don’t have to explain to them how their grandparents, aunt, and uncle are on the side of the people who royally fucked their environment…and their schools…) Yeah, I know it’s a little bit of a cop out but I’m making some changes and trying to advocate for more major change, the kind that can make a real difference. I try to avoid big industrial meat products as best as I can. The more local, the better. I’m sure I could be more rigorous about it than I am. But I won’t touch chicken from Tyson or Perdue. 

7 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Let’s stop beating around the bush and have some people admit that they either don’t understand or don’t give a shit that the continued cultivation of cows (especially), pigs, chickens, and other livestock is decimating our environment. DECIMATING.  
 

Yeah, I love steak too man. Burgers are good. Chicken wings are a staple!  I get it. BUT. Just take it down a notch. No one has a knife to your throat saying you have to eat tempeh 6 days a week and you have to go to Whole Foods to buy kale to shove in your wife’s pussy before you can fuck it. Though I am open minded. 
 

My point is “eh, I don’t really want to go to plant based or lab grown meat because it’s weird” is a stupid and fucked up argument. It’s a moral imperative to stop eating that shit all the time. And the alternatives already taste good and are only going to get better. 
 

Eat up buttercups!  The next step if you don’t is fucking Soylent green. 

1/10th of our environment may be a small price to pay for a medium rare filet mignon. 

21 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I eat a lot less beef than I used to.  

Not for climate reasons, but I significantly reduced my red meat consumption a couple years ago, and subsequently saw a huge reduction in my overall and bad cholesterol numbers (upping my fiber helped as well). I love a good burger about once a month, and eat other beef dishes here or there. But my main source of animal protein is chicken.

1 hour ago, South Austin said:

Not for climate reasons, but I significantly reduced my red meat consumption a couple years ago, and subsequently saw a huge reduction in my overall and bad cholesterol numbers (upping my fiber helped as well). I love a good burger about once a month, and eat other beef dishes here or there. But my main source of animal protein is chicken.

Same.  I turned 58 last week and the years take their toll.  

I remain fully committed to drinking massive amounts of bread every day.

Folks, visit a meat market that sells ground goat meat. Not only is goat meat a healthier choice than beef or lamb, and setting aside that folks can raise goat on grassland that reclaims desert, goat burgers are tastier than chicken, turkey, or plant based derivative burgers. 
 

Add a bit of bacon to the mince. And an egg. Experiment with different spices/flavor profile, but don’t skip on salt and pepper.  Grill on high heat five minutes to a side, then let the burgers rest wrapped in foil for ten minutes, or so. You want the meat to leave the grill slightly pink in the center, and for them to lose that pink color during the rest. While I probably like beef rarer than most, goat is not beef. Goat is better when it is served medium.

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5 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Folks, visit a meat market that sells ground goat meat. Not only is goat meat a healthier choice than beef or lamb, and setting aside that folks can raise goat on grassland that reclaims desert, goat burgers are tastier than chicken, turkey, or plant based derivative burgers. 
 

Add a bit of bacon to the mince. And an egg. Experiment with different spices/flavor profile, but don’t skip on salt and pepper. Grill on high heat five minutes to a side, then let the burgers rest wrapped in foil for ten minutes, or so. You want the meat to leave the grill slightly pink in the center, and for them to lose that pink color during the rest. While I probably like beef rarer than most, goat is not beef. Goat is better when it is served medium.

Cabrito asada FTMFW

7 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Folks, visit a meat market that sells ground goat meat. Not only is goat meat a healthier choice than beef or lamb, and setting aside that folks can raise goat on grassland that reclaims desert, goat burgers are tastier than chicken, turkey, or plant based derivative burgers. 
 

Add a bit of bacon to the mince. And an egg. Experiment with different spices/flavor profile, but don’t skip on salt and pepper.  Grill on high heat five minutes to a side, then let the burgers rest wrapped in foil for ten minutes, or so. You want the meat to leave the grill slightly pink in the center, and for them to lose that pink color during the rest. While I probably like beef rarer than most, goat is not beef. Goat is better when it is served medium.

Pshh.  Sounds like something the Goat Meat Lobby would say.

1 minute ago, Mo Horn said:

Cabrito asada FTMFW

No argument. I’m promoting burgers, because, well, burgers.

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

Pshh.  Sounds like something the Goat Meat Lobby would say.

Ineptly. Sadly.

Have any of y'all considered becoming hunters to supplement your red meat needs?

Hunting and fishing provides us with 95% of our protein.  The only meat we buy regularly is bacon.  The occasional ribeye about once a month.  We live on moose, caribou, grouse, salmon, halibut, ling cod, and rock fish.

I realize that where I live provides us with way more hunting and fishing opportunities than most of you have, but providing for yourself and family is one of the more spiritual aspects of my lifestyle that most people overlook.  The bonding that my wife and I experience during the whole process is immeasurable.  

4 minutes ago, mooseoutfront said:

Have any of y'all considered becoming hunters to supplement your red meat needs?

Hunting and fishing provides us with 95% of our protein.  The only meat we buy regularly is bacon.  The occasional ribeye about once a month.  We live on moose, caribou, grouse, salmon, halibut, ling cod, and rock fish.

I realize that where I live provides us with way more hunting and fishing opportunities than most of you have, but providing for yourself and family is one of the more spiritual aspects of my lifestyle that most people overlook.  The bonding that my wife and I experience during the whole process is immeasurable.  

I live in the DFW area and bird hunt but that's about it.  I haven't been deer hunting since my dad died in 2000.  Plus, the only way I like venison is deep-fried backstrap medallions.  I'm pretty sure ranchers would frown on me shooting their cattle. 

37 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Folks, visit a meat market that sells ground goat meat. Not only is goat meat a healthier choice than beef or lamb, and setting aside that folks can raise goat on grassland that reclaims desert, goat burgers are tastier than chicken, turkey, or plant based derivative burgers. 

I won't say no to a good goat curry

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