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Can't edit, but I say all the foregoing as a child who was a massive Civil War buff, and a "fan of the Confederacy," based mostly on regional bias and being 8 or 9.  I do not remember anyone, which seemingly would have been my parents, nudging me in that direction.  But, I distinctly remember my parents reminding me that ultimately, the Confederacy was on the wrong side.  I was too young to be a racist, and my parents did nothing to encourage me to be one.

Later in life, I don't recall being fed anything historically inaccurate about secession or the cause of the Civil War, even in a great white ISD.

But the whole lost cause mythology was there, omnipresent even at UT.  Offering up historical complexities like states' rights, the role of the federal government, and the loyalties of US military officers to their states rather than their country/federal government.  That stuff is all fine as far as it goes for a deep dive biography or an upper-division history class. 

But the fact that Confederate apologism worked its way into everyday discussion of the Civil War even among the uneducated is a testament to how effective a propaganda tool it was.  And still is.

I'm not a huge fan of bandying about traitor/treason regarding today's public enemies as I think it often overstates a case that is bad enough. But it absolutely applies to Confederate government officials and military officers.

Jefferson Davis, traitor.  R.E. Lee, traitor.  Stonewall Jackson, traitor. Nathan Bedford Forrest, traitor and virulent racist.  Hood, Bragg, traitors. 

Simkins, traitor.  Littlefield, traitor.

There's no way around it.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Can't edit, but I say all the foregoing as a child who was a massive Civil War buff, and a "fan of the Confederacy," based mostly on regional bias and being 8 or 9.  I do not remember anyone, which seemingly would have been my parents, nudging me in that direction.  But, I distinctly remember my parents reminding me that ultimately, the Confederacy was on the wrong side.  I was too young to be a racist, and my parents did nothing to encourage me to be one.

Later in life, I don't recall being fed anything historically inaccurate about secession or the cause of the Civil War, even in a great white ISD.

But the whole lost cause mythology was there, omnipresent even at UT.  Offering up historical complexities like states' rights, the role of the federal government, and the loyalties of US military officers to their states rather than their country/federal government.  That stuff is all fine as far as it goes for a deep dive biography or an upper-division history class. 

But the fact that Confederate apologism worked its way into everyday discussion of the Civil War even among the uneducated is a testament to how effective a propaganda tool it was.  And still is.

I'm not a huge fan of bandying about traitor/treason regarding today's public enemies as I think it often overstates a case that is bad enough. But it absolutely applies to Confederate government officials and military officers.

Jefferson Davis, traitor.  R.E. Lee, traitor.  Stonewall Jackson, traitor. Nathan Bedford Forrest, traitor and virulent racist.  Hood, Bragg, traitors. 

Simkins, traitor.  Littlefield, traitor.

There's no way around it.

 

 

My college US History professor made it a point to get that shit out of there on the first day we started the section on the Civil War. Paraphrasing:

You may hear from some people that this was a war about State’s rights. And it was. The State’s rights to own slaves. Full stop. 

make america confederate again!

We're going to bring Confederate flags back--guess that's all part of making America great--pre Civil War.  

7 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

We're going to bring Confederate flags back--guess that's all part of making America great--pre Civil War.  

I'm sure the fine folks of Midland are champing at the bit to drop Legacy and get their beloved Lee High School back along with their band in Confederate uniforms and the crowd waving that shitty rebel flag.

^^ posrep for proper use of champing.

4 hours ago, elfenix said:

make america confederate again!

They’re working on it. 

Does Lajitas have to give their Robert E. Lee statue back to Dallas?

Does Lajitas have to give their Robert E. Lee statue back to Dallas?

Lajitas can have it.

So how long until some state congressman authors a bill to restore Robert E. Lee Rd in Austin?

I kind of have a feeling TylerISD isn't interested in fighting the school renaming battle again any time soon, even though there are plenty of people around here who would love it.   They've already changed the stationary, it didn't hurt as much as they though it would, and it's too big of a to-do to re-fuck it.

I don’t see much actually happening from this. The only thing that seems like a possibility could be the reinstallation of the Confederate memorial at Arlington. 

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