March 24, 20223 yr Yeah, I’m sure this will work out. You know what they say. You can never have too many cooks in the kitchen
March 24, 20223 yr 10 hours ago, lilMAC25 said: Holy shit, Miami got fleeced. To be fair to Miami. I respect the fact that they’re doing everything they can to find out if tua is the guy. He’s shown some promise from time to time but it’s been impossible to grade him because of their line and their lack of a running game. Go out and get him a top 5 wr, a top 5 tackle, and a running back who when healthy has had as much success as anyone in mike McDaniel’s system. They still have 2 first round picks too. At least they’re trying. I feel like we aren’t even trying. Our strategy is “our division is so bad, we’re a shoe-in for the playoffs. Maybe we get hot?”
March 24, 20223 yr 10 hours ago, lilMAC25 said: Holy shit, Miami got fleeced. the contract they gave him was a bit high. but in terms of what they gave up, no, quite the opposite.
March 24, 20223 yr Yeah, I’m sure this will work out. You know what they say. You can never have too many cooks in the kitchen Last year they had fucktard Bob McAdoo in the same role though it was a secret until McAdoo went to Carolina as the OC. Schottenheimer sucks almost as bad.
March 24, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, futureman said: the contract they gave him was a bit high. but in terms of what they gave up, no, quite the opposite. In totality (contract + picks). Yes. Edited March 24, 20223 yr by lilMAC25
March 24, 20223 yr Yeah, I’m sure this will work out. You know what they say. You can never have too many cooks in the kitchen Schottenheimer as passing game coordinator. Lulz.
March 25, 20223 yr Quote “It’s been a really bad offseason for the Cowboys,” he said. “You don’t have to win free agency, but a lot of good teams are getting better. You’ve gotta have a plan. If you want to tank, then tank – but at least it’s a plan. If you wanna get better, get better – it’s a plan.”
March 26, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, totallynotabuttpirate said: I think their plan is to be meh and then hire Payton next year.
March 26, 20223 yr the contract they gave him was a bit high. but in terms of what they gave up, no, quite the opposite. That was my thought as well
March 26, 20223 yr I think their plan is to be meh and then hire Payton next year. That’s a lot of confidence in someone to pull off a grand conspiracy that can’t seem to plan a simple trade. This might be in their head but they probably haven’t talked the Payton. Sean might be on Fox on the 3:25 game. Money is so huge now with these new contracts.
March 26, 20223 yr Author 12 hours ago, totallynotabuttpirate said: I think their plan is to be meh and then hire Payton next year. Lol! That’s a moronic plan…. And you’re probably right.
March 26, 20223 yr ...and then continue to be meh for the next 5 years of mediocrity and dashed hopes under Payton.
March 26, 20223 yr ...and then continue to be meh for the next 5 years of mediocrity and dashed hopes under Payton. Payton is basically McCarthy if you look at their records. Basically identical. It would be more of the same. I don’t think Payton will coach again. TV is his next stop
March 26, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Texzilla58 said: Payton is basically McCarthy if you look at their records. Basically identical. It would be more of the same. I don’t think Payton will coach again. TV is his next stop Look at Brees before he got to NO and then after. Now look at Rodgers with McCarthy, and now with LaFleur. Brees isn’t a HOF qb without Payton. Rodgers is Rodgers if Jason fucking Garrett was there
March 26, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, youdunnf'dup said: Look at Brees before he got to NO and then after. Now look at Rodgers with McCarthy, and now with LaFleur. Brees isn’t a HOF qb without Payton. Rodgers is Rodgers if Jason fucking Garrett was there And he would still be coaching a Jerry/Stephen Jones-managed organization. Payton wouldn't stand a chance against that type of inertia. It's like "the Nothing" from The Neverending Story.
March 26, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, youdunnf'dup said: Look at Brees before he got to NO and then after. Now look at Rodgers with McCarthy, and now with LaFleur. Brees isn’t a HOF qb without Payton. Rodgers is Rodgers if Jason fucking Garrett was there godzilla’s a moron.
March 27, 20223 yr Look at Brees before he got to NO and then after. Now look at Rodgers with McCarthy, and now with LaFleur. Brees isn’t a HOF qb without Payton. Rodgers is Rodgers if Jason fucking Garrett was there Their records side by side are almost identical. And if Miami had signed Brees instead of Culpepper where would Payton have been. He wanted to take Romo with him. Payton knows the Jones very well and is good friends with them. If he comes to work for them he knows what to expect and what to demand. The money and lifestyle afforded doing a TV gig is hard to pass by and he has said he wants to do it. It’s why Jimmy, Cowher, and others didn’t go back to the shitty life of a head coach.
March 27, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Texzilla58 said: Their records side by side are almost identical. And if Miami had signed Brees instead of Culpepper where would Payton have been. He wanted to take Romo with him. Payton knows the Jones very well and is good friends with them. If he comes to work for them he knows what to expect and what to demand. The money and lifestyle afforded doing a TV gig is hard to pass by and he has said he wants to do it. It’s why Jimmy, Cowher, and others didn’t go back to the shitty life of a head coach. But they didn’t. And he made Brees a hall of fame qb. There’s a reason McCarthy was always a laughing stock and Payton was always well respected. Goes beyond the records. Garrett was 85-67 as a head coach. If you just looked at that on the surface (like you’re doing with McCarthy and Payton) youd say “hmm. Pretty damn good coach” Edited March 27, 20223 yr by youdunnf'dup
March 27, 20223 yr But they didn’t. And he made Brees a hall of fame qb. There’s a reason McCarthy was always a laughing stock and Payton was always well respected. Goes beyond the records. Garrett was 85-67 as a head coach. If you just looked at that on the surface (like you’re doing with McCarthy and Payton) youd say “hmm. Pretty damn good coach”I wanted Payton as the Dallas coach when he was the Dallas OC. I wouldn’t say Rodgers wasn’t on a HoF track before LaFleur; he certainly was, and he hasn’t won a ring since. I’m not a McCarthy fan but I don’t think Payton is coming GM here. I think he probably wishes he’d retired when Brees did. Same as Belichik should have retired when Tom left. It’s hard to start over without a QB. I think Sean is headed for the bright lights of TV. Romo is surely telling him what a great life it is, and the money is better.
March 27, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Hook1997 said: Damn I never realized what Aikman’s TD/Int ratio was during his career. The first two seasons were pretty brutal. But yeah, I have always thought in terms of history that Aikman was overrated, yet another unpopular but correct totally unbiased opinion. QBs always get too much credit and blame. Aikman goes to the Jets or other bottom feeder, he ends up being another top pick qb that got ruined by a shitty franchise. Edited March 27, 20223 yr by DougO
March 27, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, DougO said: in terms of history that Aikman was overrated he’s one of the greatest playoff quarterbacks of all time. and he played in an offense built completely around the running game. get the fuck outta here.
March 27, 20223 yr Just now, futureman said: ...and he played in an offense built completely around the running game Thanks for confirming.
March 27, 20223 yr The first two seasons were pretty brutal. But yeah, I have always thought in terms of history that Aikman was overrated, yet another unpopular but correct totally unbiased opinion. QBs always get too much credit and blame. Aikman goes to the Jets or other bottom feeder, he ends up being another top pick qb that got ruined by a shitty franchise. Aikman not overrated. Extremely accurate, extremely smart, great leadership. He was a football player. Had he not been a QB he would have been TE or LB. Three rings. Marino zero. I’ll take team results over stats any day. Of course he is average if he goes to a shitty franchise or maybe doesn’t have Jerry Rhome or Norv to coach him. Where would Steve McNair be had he been gifted with solid coaching instead of fuckwit qb killer Jeff fisher?
March 27, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Texzilla58 said: Aikman not overrated. Extremely accurate, extremely smart, great leadership. He was a football player. Had he not been a QB he would have been TE or LB. Three rings. Marino zero. I’ll take team results over stats any day. Of course he is average if he goes to a shitty franchise or maybe doesn’t have Jerry Rhome or Norv to coach him. Where would Steve McNair be had he been gifted with solid coaching instead of fuckwit qb killer Jeff fisher? Overrated doesn't mean suck,. He was all the things you said. In terms of history, his team carried much more of the weight. He was perfect for Norv's system as a timing based passer with laser accuracy. When it wasn't working, he rarely was creative or adaptable, somewhat robotic. There were only a few occasions, far fewer when compared to the best of the best qbs, that he took a team on his back. He was a great qb, but he wasn't what Cowboys fans make him out to be in terms of NFL all time greats. Edited March 27, 20223 yr by DougO
March 27, 20223 yr Zuerlein now destined for an All Pro season. https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/27/greg-zuerlein-declines-reduced-offer-signs-new-york-jets/
March 27, 20223 yr Aikman had the ability to play a high pressure playoff game mistake free. That’s a rare trait, especially when the opponent is a really good team with smart coaches trying to force mistakes. I’ll concede- put him on a crappy team and he won’t carry them to great records. However, the HoF has a lot of QBs that would have done worse than three SB wins given Aikman’s opportunities Edited March 27, 20223 yr by statsman
March 27, 20223 yr Overrated doesn't mean suck,. He was all the things you said. In terms of history, his team carried much more of the weight. He was perfect for Norv's system as a timing based passer with laser accuracy. When it wasn't working, he rarely was creative or adaptable, somewhat robotic. There were only a few occasions, far fewer when compared to the best of the best qbs, that he took a team on his back. He was a great qb, but he wasn't what Cowboys fans make him out to be in terms of NFL all time greats.Well of course. Those first two SB teams were two of the greatest nfl teams ever assembled, thank you Herschel Walker. And Norv was a masterful chess player calling that Zampese offense. Shit when they hired Zampese he couldn’t call em like norv.I loved everything about that team but my qb is Roger.
March 27, 20223 yr The Troy Aikman slander has always been funny to me. Just shows how misleading stats can be.
March 28, 20223 yr Troy Aikman played in an era where everyone’s stats were like that except for a few years when Montana/Young and Brett Favre went off. Even Marino’s big stat years had ended by the time Aikman entered the league. Here are Aikman’s QB rating rankings during his prime: Passer Rating 1991 NFL 86.7 (6) 1992 NFL 89.5 (3) 1993 NFL 99.0 (2) 1994 NFL 84.9 (5) 1995 NFL 93.6 (3) He was an elite QB for the era. It just so happens that this was an era when an 89.5 QB rating - which would be utter trash when Jay Cutler played - was good for top 3 in the NFL. And the difference isn’t because 90s QBs just sucked compared to today. The difference is somewhat due to style of offense and (in my opinion) mostly due to officiating changes. Modern pass blocking was called “holding” in prior eras. Modern pass interference and defensive holding is called way, way more friendly to the offense compared to prior eras. QBs are protected now, whereas they were abused and basically walking wounded in prior eras. It’s like how NBA scoring drastically decreased in the 90s and 00s before rising back up again in the last decade back to 1980s numbers. A generation of players didn’t just forget how to shoot or start sucking. The changes in offensive output directly mirrored changes in officiating. When everyone started playing like the Pistons (fouling constantly and banking on the refs deciding to swallow the whistle except on the most egregious fouls), scoring went down. When the league made refs start calling everything again, scoring went up. The NFL is currently stacked in favor of the offense. People like scoring so I don’t think they will be changing how the refs call games anytime soon. But if we went back to 1992 officiating, I think you’d see a lot of these 105 QB rating guys instantly turn into 80 QB rating guys.I would love to somehow see modern QBs play one game in the era of Otto Graham, Bart Starr, Terry Bradshaw, or Montana. To get augered into the dirt by Deacon Jones or Alan Page and then get into the huddle and call your own play. To see you receivers getting mugged by Willie Davis. I think those modern big numbers would be way less.
March 28, 20223 yr On 3/26/2022 at 6:57 PM, futureman said: godzilla’s a moron. I haven't seen Drew around lately. Texzilla has a Drew-like posting pattern. Coincidence?
March 28, 20223 yr 6 hours ago, C-Man said: I haven't seen Drew around lately. Texzilla has a Drew-like posting pattern. Coincidence?
March 28, 20223 yr 13 hours ago, longhornmatt said: Troy Aikman played in an era where everyone’s stats were like that except for a few years when Montana/Young and Brett Favre went off. Even Marino’s big stat years had ended by the time Aikman entered the league. Here are Aikman’s QB rating rankings during his prime: Passer Rating 1991 NFL 86.7 (6) 1992 NFL 89.5 (3) 1993 NFL 99.0 (2) 1994 NFL 84.9 (5) 1995 NFL 93.6 (3) He was an elite QB for the era. It just so happens that this was an era when an 89.5 QB rating - which would be utter trash when Jay Cutler played - was good for top 3 in the NFL. And the difference isn’t because 90s QBs just sucked compared to today. The difference is somewhat due to style of offense and (in my opinion) mostly due to officiating changes. Modern pass blocking was called “holding” in prior eras. Modern pass interference and defensive holding is called way, way more friendly to the offense compared to prior eras. QBs are protected now, whereas they were abused and basically walking wounded in prior eras. It’s like how NBA scoring drastically decreased in the 90s and 00s before rising back up again in the last decade back to 1980s numbers. A generation of players didn’t just forget how to shoot or start sucking. The changes in offensive output directly mirrored changes in officiating. When everyone started playing like the Pistons (fouling constantly and banking on the refs deciding to swallow the whistle except on the most egregious fouls), scoring went down. When the league made refs start calling everything again, scoring went up. The NFL is currently stacked in favor of the offense. People like scoring so I don’t think they will be changing how the refs call games anytime soon. But if we went back to 1992 officiating, I think you’d see a lot of these 105 QB rating guys instantly turn into 80 QB rating guys. First I want to say I agree with everything that you're saying here about Troy Aikman vs his contemporaries. However I have a minor quibble with the bolded part While league rule changes definitely affected the prolific scoring in the respective sports, there has been a lot of skill refinement that has taken place on the lower levels that also contributes to the increased proficiency we see in today's athletes. Freaking 4th graders get QB coaching and shot refinement today. Yes the rule changes are a huge part of it, but the athletes are also much more skilled today than they were back then.
March 28, 20223 yr Comparing qb stats across different decades is basically worthless. The averages trend up pretty steadily as the league rules and changes in the schemes become far more qb stat friendly.
March 29, 20223 yr Wow how surprising. A free agent visit does not work out. Meaning the player didn't want to accept the ridiculous low ball offer. "We like our guys"
March 30, 20223 yr 21 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said: Fast becoming as stupid as his Dad. he’s always been dumber than daddy. with none of the charm. the future is bleak, and dark, and bereft of hope.
March 30, 20223 yr 14 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said: Fast becoming as stupid as his Dad. More like just confirming it but jfc. Can you name one instance in the history of human civilization where the golden spoon fed offspring of supreme privilege turned out to be anything other than spoiled worthless fucks? The odds are it's happened but I can't think of any.
March 30, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, Hermanator said: Can you name one instance in the history of human civilization where the golden spoon fed offspring of supreme privilege turned out to be anything other than spoiled worthless fucks? The odds are it's happened but I can't think of any. I know a few.
March 30, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Hermanator said: Can you name one instance in the history of human civilization where the golden spoon fed offspring of supreme privilege turned out to be anything other than spoiled worthless fucks? The odds are it's happened but I can't think of any. Batman.
March 30, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, ConferenceRoom said: Batman. The vigilante propping up the corrupt and racist Gotham (NYC) police department's subjugation of the populace at the behest of corporate greed by waging a war on the poor and mentally ill? Yeah fuck that asshole
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