May 17, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said: Everyone (including me) gets excited by drafts but it's easy to forget the NBA draft in particular is almost all 19 year olds who aren't going to really peak for another 7-9 years. Sure, you can tell in the first year or two if they can play but the upside is so far out, it's almost a crap shoot on who will be great and who will be good. In baseball maybe? Scottie Barnes helped elevate Toronto to a top 5 record in year one. Evan Mobley completely transformed Cleveland in his first year. Luka was immediately the best player on his team and took them to the playoffs in year 2. MVP candidate by year 3.
May 17, 20223 yr Guys like Giannis, Jokic, and Embiid took many years to develop. Other bigs never become huge offensive threats and get played off the court in the playoffs. Do smaller guys develop sooner?
May 17, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, fellside said: In baseball maybe? Scottie Barnes helped elevate Toronto to a top 5 record in year one. Evan Mobley completely transformed Cleveland in his first year. Luka was immediately the best player on his team and took them to the playoffs in year 2. MVP candidate by year 3. That's what I'm saying. Some of these guys can be good initially and top out and some have a longer path. The great mystery is figuring who who is who. I don't think anyone thinks that Barnes will be the best player from this past class in five years. That's likely Cade, Mobley, or Green. They just have bigger upside. I could see Giddey being a borderline All-Star as well. Still watching Kuminga, he could be an All Star out of the league, which is what people said last year. To the earlier example of Tatum, he's steadily improved every single year. At the end of the day, you're interviewing 19 year olds.
May 17, 20223 yr I don't ask for much. But please...just one time...some lottery luck for the Cavs. We beg. No franchise is more deserving... Edited May 17, 20223 yr by Message Board User
May 17, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Message Board User said: I don't ask for much. But please...just one time...some lottery luck for the Cavs. We beg. No franchise is more deserving... Watch the Kings win it, pick Chet, and he has a Greg Oden/Sam Bowie career.
May 17, 20223 yr I don't ask for much. But please...just one time...some lottery luck for the Cavs. We beg. No franchise is more deserving... You fucks have won it 3 times in like 10 years, including a 1.7% chance
May 17, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said: You fucks have won it 3 times in like 10 years, including a 1.7% chance ...and...?
May 17, 20223 yr Author You know who really deserves this? The Spurs. They haven't won a lottery since 1997. Spurs fans have been suffering long enough.
May 17, 20223 yr 29 minutes ago, Message Board User said: I don't ask for much. But please...just one time...some lottery luck for the Cavs. We beg. No franchise is more deserving... Baseball team should not have dropped their long-time mascot... Cleveland is cursed !!
May 18, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Message Board User said: I don't ask for much. But please...just one time...some lottery luck for the Cavs. We beg. No franchise is more deserving... What part of it's Cleveland do you not understand?
May 18, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, ATXbronco said: My Orlandoooooo Magic... FTW Tank (this dog's name - really) FTW Damn, spoiler that shit...
May 18, 20223 yr If Im OKC I take Banchero and trade SGA plus picks for Ayton I think Giddey Banchero Ayton is a core that could do something in a few years especially with the depth theyre likely to have
May 18, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, cmontexas said: If Im OKC I take Banchero and trade SGA plus picks for Ayton I think Giddey Banchero Ayton is a core that could do something in a few years especially with the depth theyre likely to have SGA and picks for Ayton would be the worst trade ever. They'll take Banchero or Smith and play them at the 4 with SGA and Giddey on the wings. They'll keep Dort because he's good on defense. That core is actually pretty good 2-4 years from now. I could see them doing the same with Chet, too, but I'm still meh on him. He doesn't have an NBA and may never have one. Every now and then I get talked into him because he's 7'1" and can do it all but can he handle a season? Can he gain weight? If he could put on 20 lbs or so, he's basically Dirk. Just a lot of risk there.
May 18, 20223 yr 31 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said: SGA and picks for Ayton would be the worst trade ever. They'll take Banchero or Smith and play them at the 4 with SGA and Giddey on the wings. They'll keep Dort because he's good on defense. That core is actually pretty good 2-4 years from now. I could see them doing the same with Chet, too, but I'm still meh on him. He doesn't have an NBA and may never have one. Every now and then I get talked into him because he's 7'1" and can do it all but can he handle a season? Can he gain weight? If he could put on 20 lbs or so, he's basically Dirk. Just a lot of risk there. I could see OKC taking Jabari or Chet at 2 and then a more long-term project with higher upside like Dieng or Daniels at 12.
May 18, 20223 yr I could see Okie City putting the most weight in the intangibles. Very Spur-like in that they want someone who loves basketball and not much else. If the dude likes to party, they'll pass because it's, well, it's Oklahoma City. If they think Banchero likes the scene too much and doesn't like the grind (see F1 appearance), they'll rate him third behind the other two. (From what I've read, both Chet and Jabari are hard workers.) I could see Orlando taking Jabari even though they have a ton of other bigs because he's better than the ones they have. Okie City then would take Chet because they're OK with long term and he could put on weight. Houston would then take Banchero and they seem to be freaking out about that on the Houston thread. He might be a great scorer but a poor fit with Sengun. I still think Ivey and Sharpe might have the highest upside but no one in the top 3 is taking them. Orlando should but they won't. Okie City maybe, because they have credibility with the fan base but they have tons of guards already. Houston, no.
May 18, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said: Banchero about to from that F1 race in Miami to a S'Lobster in Okie City. I did that the other way around. Much better.
May 18, 20223 yr If I was Orlando, I would gauge the interest of OKC moving up 1 pick for 2 and a future 1st. OKC has too many picks and needs to spend them. Orlando also needs lots of help for the future and needs to stockpile. Maybe then even look to trade down again. If they could get a couple of firsts and still get Ivey, I think they are huge winners. Anthony Suggs/IveyWagner Issac (lol)Carter/Bamba*Ivey to be has the highest floor and least chance of busting.
May 18, 20223 yr That show was cringe-inducing. I caught a bit of it while at a restaurant and nobody looked like they wanted to be there.
May 18, 20223 yr 13 hours ago, cmontexas said: If Im OKC I take Banchero and trade SGA plus picks for Ayton I think Giddey Banchero Ayton is a core that could do something in a few years especially with the depth theyre likely to have wat
May 18, 20223 yr 8 hours ago, Fastbreak said: Ivey to be has the highest floor and least chance of busting. No, that's Jabari. He could play in the NBA right now as a 3&D four who's switchable on defense, and he's one of the youngest players in the draft I think Texas fans love Ivey as a prospect in part due to what he did to Texas in the tournament, but he then followed that up with a terrible game that highlighted his warts
May 18, 20223 yr Did not realize this about Portland. Both of them should do this. Portland should then trade Dame and blow everything up. They could trade Dame to New Orleans for all of those Laker picks.
May 18, 20223 yr Well this sucks - both of these guys had great measurements and I doubt Daniels lasts beyond the Spurs at 9 and I just hope and pray that Tari is there at 14.
May 19, 20223 yr Imagine this guy taking a charge against Embiid or Giannis. and people think Chet is skinney...
May 19, 20223 yr The idea that the Thunder rebuild is some years long process is wildly understated. They were the #5 seed in the playoffs in 2020. Saw something today where the Kings have been in the lottery every year since 2007 except once.
May 19, 20223 yr No, that's Jabari. He could play in the NBA right now as a 3&D four who's switchable on defense, and he's one of the youngest players in the draft I think Texas fans love Ivey as a prospect in part due to what he did to Texas in the tournament, but he then followed that up with a terrible game that highlighted his wartsHis comparable to me is Rashard Lewis. A good player, but a number 3 guy. Still good value, but I don’t think he will be some kind of superstar. His 2pt pct was one of the lowest in the NCAA. Auburn had shit for playmakers, but still, he should be able to dominate inside the 3pt line as well.
May 19, 20223 yr Chet Holmgren is going to have a loooooot of haters if he actually acts like this all of the time: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdtnibYAaJA/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
May 19, 20223 yr 15 hours ago, Fud said: No, that's Jabari. He could play in the NBA right now as a 3&D four who's switchable on defense, and he's one of the youngest players in the draft I think Texas fans love Ivey as a prospect in part due to what he did to Texas in the tournament, but he then followed that up with a terrible game that highlighted his warts It's me. I'm Texas fans.
May 19, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, shadow_operative said: Chet Holmgren is going to have a loooooot of haters if he actually acts like this all of the time: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdtnibYAaJA/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= all he needed here was: "i hope in 10 years my name is said in the same breath as Lebron, KD, Giannis and Steph. I am going to work my ass off to make sure that happens."
May 19, 20223 yr He seems to have more personality than I originally thought. Also, watching some highlights, he plays more physical than I thought. By "plays," I mean he tries. He can only do so much being 190 lbs, though.
May 19, 20223 yr Author 11 hours ago, shadow_operative said: Chet Holmgren is going to have a loooooot of haters if he actually acts like this all of the time: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdtnibYAaJA/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= He's going to get the Shawn Bradley treatment. By that, I mean guys are going to line up to try to posterize him, not that he's going to get in an awful bike accident. That would be him getting the Jack McKinney treatment.
May 19, 20223 yr 14 hours ago, Fastbreak said: His comparable to me is Rashard Lewis. A good player, but a number 3 guy. Still good value, but I don’t think he will be some kind of superstar. His 2pt pct was one of the lowest in the NCAA. Auburn had shit for playmakers, but still, he should be able to dominate inside the 3pt line as well. From all the reports he's an extremely hard worker and his defensive assets are phenomenal so even I'll admit that despite some of his failings I think he'll be more of an impact player than Rashard Lewis. At the very least he will be on the defensive end. A lot of my earlier points of criticism of him may just stem from him being a young guy who hasn't been coached to improve or develop other aspects of his game. Plus being such an elite shooter at that size it's easy to understand why he falls in love with his deep range at the expense of a more well rounded game. Edited May 19, 20223 yr by Catdaddyhorn
May 19, 20223 yr Author 10 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said: Chet will be awful on defense in the nba beyond rebounding The guy with the 7'6" wingspan who blocked 3.7 shots per game at Gonzaga? Uh, ok.
May 19, 20223 yr yeah his shot blocking ability is a big reason why he's such a big prospect. he's been an elite shot blocker at every level he's played, and he'll be good at it in the league as well. Edited May 19, 20223 yr by shadow_operative
May 19, 20223 yr The Okies evidently had a draft lottery watch party. Great reaction, especially when the Pacers are called at 4 and then Houston at #3. Would loved to have seen the pain and agony had they gotten #6 or something:
May 19, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said: From all the reports he's an extremely hard worker and his defensive assets are phenomenal so even I'll admit that despite some of his failings I think he'll be more of an impact player than Rashard Lewis. At the very least he will be on the defensive end. A lot of my earlier points of criticism of him may just stem from him being a young guy who hasn't been coached to improve or develop other aspects of his game. Plus being such an elite shooter at that size it's easy to understand why he falls in love with his deep range at the expense of a more well rounded game. Some of the analysis I've read doesn't put too much stock in his interior creation. Mostly because his coach is a moron, lack of spacing in college, the center was a giant statue, the guards were trash, and the coach was a moron. I've seen similar comments about Chet. He played with Mimme, who could basically only play in the post so that meat Chet was on the perimeter.
May 19, 20223 yr On 5/17/2022 at 7:06 PM, Message Board User said: I don't ask for much. But please...just one time...some lottery luck for the Cavs. We beg. No franchise is more deserving... Havent the cavs won the lottery like 4-5 times, including the Lebron year.... I think they have had decent luck.
May 19, 20223 yr if there is one thing i am sure about in regards to chet, its that he will be a plus defender in the nba.
May 19, 20223 yr 50 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said: The Okies evidently had a draft lottery watch party. Great reaction, especially when the Pacers are called at 4 and then Houston at #3. Would loved to have seen the pain and agony had they gotten #6 or something: why is it that the people who film these things are always the last people who should be operating any kind of camera?
May 19, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said: The Okies evidently had a draft lottery watch party. Great reaction, especially when the Pacers are called at 4 and then Houston at #3. Would loved to have seen the pain and agony had they gotten #6 or something:
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