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Just now, South Austin said:

Charlie Strong's first year.  Went 6-7.  Lost 31-7 to Arkansas in a shitty bowl game.

Dammit. You are going on ignore for that shit.

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2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Agree that they should hold elections to determine the matter. 

Of course you do.  Because that's what Lavrov wants....and you never once ponder why.  Say....do we have a rather long, recent, and documented history of Russia interfering in and manipulating Ukrainian elections?  Of course we do....which is exactly why Russia is bucking for them.  Not because Russia thinks that's what the Ukrainian people want, but because Russia KNOWS they can manipulate the results in their favor.  If you wanted free and fair elections, that might be credible.  You don't, because while it is under relentless attack by Russia, including every asymmetrical angle possible, the prospect of free and fair elections in Ukraine is zero.  Which, of course, you know.

And of course you do.  Because it would violate the Ukrainian constitution to hold an election during wartime.  Even the Ukrainian opposition agrees.  Again, the Ukrainian people and opposition are perfectly capable of putting their foot down and saying "enough, damn the Constitution, we need an election."  They have not done so.

The only party that has done so has been....Russia.  And now its new ally, the Trump regime.

Your unflinching and undistinguishable parroting of statements right out of Lavrov's mouth is perfection.  It's not often someone makes my point for me as bullseye-accurately as you continue to do.

2 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Dammit. You are going on ignore for that shit.

Me over Ana?  wft

1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

They did. Zelensky won.

Zelensky ran on ending the conflict with Russia. 

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2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Zelensky ran on ending the conflict with Russia. 

He got fucking invaded AFTER he was elected.

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Hey! When's Russia going to hold free and fair elections?

16 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

When this all ends, you think that the ultimate terms will be better or worse than what could have been achieved in Istanbul? 

No. I think the Russians are fucked. EU won't forgive so quickly, now they REALLY have NATO on their borders, and China is fucking them once again. Their weapons industry is crap. Hell, they got their asses kicked by rebels in Chad.

Russia should have surrendered.

2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Hey! When's Russia going to hold free and fair elections?

Ana can run for mayor of some shit hole or be the peoples appointed director of a mining "hospital" near Yar-Sale.

1 minute ago, bolverk said:

Hey! When's Russia going to hold free and fair elections?

When they can poison and/or throw all known and potential Putin opponents off buildings. They’re also not above crashing a plane or two to thin the herd.

3 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

He got fucking invaded AFTER he was elected.

 

22 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Pissed off Putin, so he attacked.

Pissed off Ukrainian nationalists. Somewhere in that timeline Biden also put NATO membership on the table, and notably more temporally proximal to the invasion. 

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-10-14/ukraine-protest-zelensky-peace-plan

Far-right groups protest Ukrainian president’s peace plan

Far-right groups protest Ukrainian president's peace plan - Los Angeles  Times

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

Pissed off Ukrainian nationalists. Somewhere in that timeline Biden also put NATO membership on the table, and notably more temporally proximal to the invasion. 

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-10-14/ukraine-protest-zelensky-peace-plan

Far-right groups protest Ukrainian president’s peace plan

Far-right groups protest Ukrainian president's peace plan - Los Angeles  Times

So you are saying you side with the Far right? What point are you trying to make? If none then please go make brisket.

9 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

So you are saying you side with the Far right? What point are you trying to make? If none then please go make brisket shitty potroast.

ftfy

8 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

So you are saying you side with the Far right? What point are you trying to make? If none then please go make brisket.

Here are two senators rallying with a neo-nazi and the media treatment at the time. But tell me more about who sided with neo-nazi nationalists in Ukraine. 

https://grabien.com/story?id=517212

HAYES: “When Senator John McCain and Senator Chris Murphy went to stand with these protesters in December, they stood next to this guy, who is an opposition leader and who also happens to lead Ukraine's right-wing nationalist party, Svoboda. They were also first registered as a neo-Nazi party and they're in the streets right now shooting at police. You know what arguably could be called naive? Going on stage at a Ukrainian opposition rally and not realizing you're standing next to a man who heads Ukraine's right-wing nationalist party, a party that was first registered as a neo-Nazi party, which is exactly what John McCain did back in December when he stood next to Oleh Tiahnybok, the leader of Ukraine's Svoboda Party, which according to 'The New York Times' traces its roots to the Ukrainian partisan army of World War II, which was loosely allied with Nazi Germany.”

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Here are two senators rallying with a neo-nazi and the media treatment at the time. But tell me more about who sided with neo-nazi nationalists in Ukraine. 

https://grabien.com/story?id=517212

HAYES: “When Senator John McCain and Senator Chris Murphy went to stand with these protesters in December, they stood next to this guy, who is an opposition leader and who also happens to lead Ukraine's right-wing nationalist party, Svoboda. They were also first registered as a neo-Nazi party and they're in the streets right now shooting at police. You know what arguably could be called naive? Going on stage at a Ukrainian opposition rally and not realizing you're standing next to a man who heads Ukraine's right-wing nationalist party, a party that was first registered as a neo-Nazi party, which is exactly what John McCain did back in December when he stood next to Oleh Tiahnybok, the leader of Ukraine's Svoboda Party, which according to 'The New York Times' traces its roots to the Ukrainian partisan army of World War II, which was loosely allied with Nazi Germany.”

Yep. big mistake. And bernie went to moscow before the wall fell.

Can we define loosely allied? I mean, I know you are a master of history and all.

Ukrainians were some murderous fucks in ww2. So that means they should be attacked? Erased? Can we do 1923 if we want to get into revisionist history.

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8 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Here are two senators rallying with a neo-nazi and the media treatment at the time. But tell me more about who sided with neo-nazi nationalists in Ukraine. 

https://grabien.com/story?id=517212

HAYES: “When Senator John McCain and Senator Chris Murphy went to stand with these protesters in December, they stood next to this guy, who is an opposition leader and who also happens to lead Ukraine's right-wing nationalist party, Svoboda. They were also first registered as a neo-Nazi party and they're in the streets right now shooting at police. You know what arguably could be called naive? Going on stage at a Ukrainian opposition rally and not realizing you're standing next to a man who heads Ukraine's right-wing nationalist party, a party that was first registered as a neo-Nazi party, which is exactly what John McCain did back in December when he stood next to Oleh Tiahnybok, the leader of Ukraine's Svoboda Party, which according to 'The New York Times' traces its roots to the Ukrainian partisan army of World War II, which was loosely allied with Nazi Germany.”

We have Nazis in the United States as well. You voted for them. 

1 hour ago, South Austin said:

Charlie Strong's first year.  Went 6-7.  Lost 31-7 to Arkansas in a shitty bowl game.

i was at that fucking game lol

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1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

They did. Zelensky won. Pissed off Putin, so he attacked. Come on man, justify your shit.

Now can we do 2014?

didn't the opposition party leaders just tell Trump this week to fuck off, they weren't interested in having an election while they were at war either?

8 minutes ago, mchookem said:

didn't the opposition party leaders just tell Trump this week to fuck off, they weren't interested in having an election while they were at war either?

Yes. But come on man, that is not was Ana wants. So cannot be real.

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

 

Just a bunch of jingoistic bullshit. I do think it's funny that you and other posters constantly try to plant a flag for me on positions that I have never taken. 

Some of y'all want to fight this thing to the last Ukranian. I get it. I think that Ukraine would have been better off coming to some sort of an agreement back in 2022. But what is a few hundred thousand more dead bodies with few meaningful distinctions in outcome, I guess.   

Again, who invaded who? You agree, don't you, that Russia invaded Ukraine? What power does Ukraine have to end the war? Only Russia can stop, you know, fucking invading, you fucking fuck. Have you explained to your family what a fucking shit stain you are? Maybe let them read your blatant support of genocide on here? 

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7 hours ago, Anastasis said:

You are one sick puppy dude. 

Clowns like you that want to prolong and drag out a proxy conflict between nuclear powers are worried, in rhetoric only of course, about policies and actions that increase the risk of nuclear war. What a world.  

Hey look, it’s Tulsi Gabbard posting on Surly!

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2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Agree that they should hold elections to determine the matter. 

Dude fuck all the way off. My friends and their families in Kiev would prefer to not have been involved in an armed conflict. They didn’t have much choice in the matter. You’ve been a clown before but this is embarrassing even for you.

Just plainly cheering on the ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians for reasons. What an absolute piece of shit you are.

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'did Russia invade Ukraine?' is the new 'did Biden win in 2020?' 🙄

3 minutes ago, mchookem said:

'did Russia invade Ukraine?' is the new 'did Biden win in 2020?' 🙄

my second thought before "Please don't trade Wyatt Johnston" before I feel asleep last night was, "goddamn gaslighting is a fucking problem in this country." I really don't know how we unfuck this. it's not just alternative facts anymore. it's outright lies purported as truth. it's maddening.

spoiler: we didn't trade Johnston

5 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Dude fuck all the way off. My friends and their families in Kiev would prefer to not have been involved in an armed conflict. They didn’t have much choice in the matter. You’ve been a clown before but this is embarrassing even for you.

Just plainly cheering on the ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians for reasons. What an absolute piece of shit you are.

He's not cheering them on, per se, just saying that ethnic cleansing is necessary for peace. Makes tons of sense when you think about it.

Just now, Foosters said:

He's not cheering them on, per se, just saying that ethnic cleansing is necessary for peace. Makes tons of sense when you think about it.

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2 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

We have Nazis in the United States as well. You voted for them. 

The political party he’s bleating about won exactly one seat in the 2019 parliamentary elections.  There are far fewer Nazis in Ukrainian structures than there are in America (or Russia) for that matter. Actually there are an equivalent number of Nazis in his own house. 

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7 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Just plainly cheering on the ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians for reasons.

I am cheering no such thing.

I think that this war needs to come to an end as quickly as possible. Two ways forward, either Ukraine fights on for another who knows how many years, or some form of ceasefire and terms happen. I wish that that the latter would have been achieved back in 2022. Would have saved tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives. If the people of Ukraine want to keep this going for another 3+ years, that is certainly their prerogative. You mentioned family in Kyiv. Curious what their positions are? Do they support going to the negotiation table to bring hostilities to at least a temporary end, or do they want to continue on?   

7 hours ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Nuance is a part of everything. So, it depends.  9/11 - terrorism, more than obviously.  Most recent missile attack in Ukraine? It's too soon to know for sure, but it appears to me to be collateral damage.  Was it really "indiscriminate bombings of civilians?"  Was the hotel the intended target?  From what I understand, Russia frequently targets that city because it's Zelensky's hometown. Can they aim the missile used with pinpoint accuracy?  Did it hit its intended target?

The intel failure surrounding 9/11 isn't the same thing as what has happened here.  It's not in the same ballpark; it's not even the same fucking sport. 

The Newsweek article, which is the one I was talking about as being flawed information, did not use Tenet as a source.

People have got to be able to recognize bias, misinformation and propaganda.  Especially now that so much of the "media" is solely focused on making money and journalistic integrity is a quaint concept from the past.  Look at the headline:  "Missile Strike on Americans."  Really?  Was the missile strike intentionally aimed at Americans, like the headline would lead you to believe?  Or is it that there just happened to be Americans staying at the hotel that was hit?  (No Americans were injured or killed, by the way.)  Why would the Russians target Americans now?  Right after our president just publicly sucked off Putin?  Putin's going to do something to turn the American people against Trump at the moment he has us right where he wants us?  That doesn't make any fucking sense.

I don’t know how to tell you this dawg but targeting the downtown of a city simply for its symbolic and personal value to a nation and its leader is kind of the definition of terror bombing. This is the same logic behind Al Qaeda’s constant targeting of WTC. 

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7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I am cheering no such thing.

I think that this war needs to come to an end as quickly as possible. Two ways forward, either Ukraine fights on for another who knows how many years, or some form of ceasefire and terms happen. I wish that that the latter would have been achieved back in 2022. Would have saved tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives. If the people of Ukraine want to keep this going for another 3+ years, that is certainly their prerogative. You mentioned family in Kyiv. Curious what their positions are? Do they support going to the negotiation table to bring hostilities to at least a temporary end, or do they want to continue on?   

It’s pretty amazing you haven’t just said “Russia could fuck off”. Why should Ukraine negotiate? They’ve been slaughtered by a hostile foreign aggressor. 
They didn’t want to give up Crimea and they don’t want to capitulate to an invasion. 
You’re absolutely cheering it and acting like Ukrainians deserved it because some people there are Nazis. Newsflash, there are Nazis here too. You’re parroting Russian propaganda with regularity in this thread. Zelensky is a fucking hero in Ukraine according to everyone I’ve spoken to.
This is truly a low point for you. I’m not sure what’s wrong with your brain but you’re just shitty. So yea, fuck right off.

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4 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

It’s pretty amazing you haven’t just said “Russia could fuck off”. Why should Ukraine negotiate? They’ve been slaughtered by a hostile foreign aggressor. 
They didn’t want to give up Crimea and they don’t want to capitulate to an invasion. 
You’re absolutely cheering it and acting like Ukrainians deserved it because some people there are Nazis. Newsflash, there are Nazis here too. You’re parroting Russian propaganda with regularity in this thread. Zelensky is a fucking hero in Ukraine according to everyone I’ve spoken to.
This is truly a low point for you. I’m not sure what’s wrong with your brain but you’re just shitty. So yea, fuck right off.

Anastasis got very angry that anyone on this board noticed what happened in Bucha and got drunk last night and revealed he supported gas attacks on civilians in Syria.  There is no way to go farther down.  He just really likes it when Russians murder lots of innocent people, maybe because he gets hard at when he can claim that U.S. foreign policy failed or maybe because he’s just aligned with Russia for any number of reasons.  It’s really that simple and it doesn’t really matter either way— it’s who he is.

On 3/5/2025 at 10:20 AM, SL Xpress said:

BTW, to play the whataboutism game, I never felt like Obama did enough when Russian took Crimea and took over the Donbas with proxies supplemented by the Russian military when the Ukraine government was still trying to get on its feet.


That is because Obama COULDN'T. The Republicans were obstructing him at every turn. As soon as he made any kind of move like that, they would have been screaming from the highest hills.  He was effectively neutered to a large degree by Mitch McConnell's opposition to everything he ever tried to do. 

Fuck Mitch McConnell. 

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10 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I am cheering no such thing.

I think that this war needs to come to an end as quickly as possible. Two ways forward, either Ukraine fights on for another who knows how many years, or some form of ceasefire and terms happen. I wish that that the latter would have been achieved back in 2022. Would have saved tens if not hundreds of thousands of lives. If the people of Ukraine want to keep this going for another 3+ years, that is certainly their prerogative. You mentioned family in Kyiv. Curious what their positions are? Do they support going to the negotiation table to bring hostilities to at least a temporary end, or do they want to continue on?   

Gee, if only there were like some way to know what the Ukrainian people want to do.  But you'd ignore any evidence that didn't favor your pro Russian, pro ethnic cleansing narrative anyway. 

https://www.newsweek.com/volodymyr-zelensky-polling-boost-trump-clash-2041456 (Zelensky Gets Double-Digit Boost in Ukraine After Clash with Donald Trump, 67% trust Z)

"Anton Hrushetskyi, executive director of KIIS, in the poll report: "Ukrainians perceive the rhetoric of the new US government as an attack on all of Ukraine and all Ukrainians. Of course, the statements that Ukraine allegedly 'provoked' Russia or is responsible for the invasion, that Russia should not be called an 'aggressor' at all, conducting negotiations without Ukraine's participation, the US voting 'against' the resolution at the UN, and so on are completely at odds with Ukrainian public opinion."

"Samuel Ramani, associate fellow at the London-based Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) think tank, on X: "Zelensky is experiencing a patriotic rally of support in Ukraine after the Oval Office meeting. Zelensky's approval rating has bumped up to over 2/3 of Ukrainians according to the latest polls.""

https://web.archive.org/web/20241112183416/https://www.iri.org/news/iri-ukraine-poll-majorities-believe-in-defeating-russia-support-recapturing-lost-territory/

"Ukrainians are optimistic about winning the conflict with Russia. When asked about an outcome, 88% of Ukrainians said they will win the war.  

“Ukrainians continue to believe in the current military campaign and are confident that they can achieve a victory over Russia,” said Stephen Nix, Senior Director for Eurasia at IRI.  

The poll also found that 71% of adults agree that the government should recapture all lost territory. Further, 64% of Ukrainians are willing to take on a higher burden of the war through increasing military tax from 1.5% to 5%.  "

https://www.voanews.com/a/ukrainian-opinion-survey-tracks-fluctuating-opinion-on-quick-end-to-war/7871814.html

 

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There is a rational, and even ethically grounded case to be made for the U.S. to shift towards a push for a negotiated settlement where Ukraine has to make concessions.  I vehemently disagree with that case, but it can be made in good faith and from a place of support for America and its values. 
 

That case doesn’t involve the following: confusing aggressors with victims, smearing a suffering nation as Nazis who deserved it, repeating Russia’s justification for its war crimes and atrocities, denying Russia’s war crimes and atrocities, projecting your own shitty and ill-informed “grievances” into the case as a means to advance your miserable politics, or apologizing for the mass gassing of people in a different war on a different continent. 
 

Yet all the people arguing for “peace” do the latter and utterly fail at the former.  Because they don’t want peace, they are pieces of shit who like Russia, want Russia to win, and want America to be more like Russia. 

There are some shortcuts to figuring out which side is the bad actor vs. good actor (while acknowledging the human reality that nobody in any conflict in the history of ever has worn a perfectly white hat or perfectly black hat)....check in with the people who know the players best.

Check with the people of Finland, which was invaded by Russia.  Russia attacked, conducted a naked land grab, and still subjugates and holds Karelia.

Check with the people of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, who have suffered Russian invasion several times, most recently in WWII, when Russia flat-out seized them as "Soviet Republics."

Check with Poland, which was a client state fully controlled by Russia as a Warsaw Pact country during the Cold War.

The overwhelming sentiment is that they fucking HATE Russia and the Russians.  Sure, there are local sympathizers, but the great weight is "Fuck Russia."  And it's not fucking subtle.  Go to Estonia, and tell them "hey, just bend over and take it, let Russia occupy you -- after all, your mere existence, what with all of your talking with and cooperating with western powers, is an unacceptably aggressive threat, and you're really asking for it."  Please do that.  So I can watch some dude in Tallinn beat your ass.  Do it in Helsinki, where they have every bridge between them and Russia rigged to position explosives to blow it, because they fucking know Russia and what Russia does.

If you actually know Russia, and have experience with Russia - unless, of course, you are using Russian support to prop you up in power that you otherwise couldn't hold on to because your own people don't want you there (looking at you, Lukashenko) - you loathe Russia.  To know them is to loathe them.

Ana over here spouting Lavrov's daily newsletter word-for-word is perfection.  True perfection.

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

There are some shortcuts to figuring out which side is the bad actor vs. good actor (while acknowledging the human reality that nobody in any conflict in the history of ever has worn a perfectly white hat or perfectly black hat)....check in with the people who know the players best.

Check with the people of Finland, which was invaded by Russia.  Russia attacked, conducted a naked land grab, and still subjugates and holds Karelia.

Check with the people of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, who have suffered Russian invasion several times, most recently in WWII, when Russia flat-out seized them as "Soviet Republics."

Check with Poland, which was a client state fully controlled by Russia as a Warsaw Pact country during the Cold War.

The overwhelming sentiment is that they fucking HATE Russia and the Russians.  Sure, there are local sympathizers, but the great weight is "Fuck Russia."  And it's not fucking subtle.  Go to Estonia, and tell them "hey, just bend over and take it, let Russia occupy you -- after all, your mere existence, what with all of your talking with and cooperating with western powers, is an unacceptably aggressive threat, and you're really asking for it."  Please do that.  So I can watch some dude in Tallinn beat your ass.  Do it in Helsinki, where they have every bridge between them and Russia rigged to position explosives to blow it, because they fucking know Russia and what Russia does.

If you actually know Russia, and have experience with Russia - unless, of course, you are using Russian support to prop you up in power that you otherwise couldn't hold on to because your own people don't want you there (looking at you, Lukashenko) - you loathe Russia.  To know them is to loathe them.

Ana over here spouting Lavrov's daily newsletter word-for-word is perfection.  True perfection.

What is really funny is he would never go live there. And if he did, they would not like how he talks about things.

 

3 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

There is a rational, and even ethically grounded case to be made for the U.S. to shift towards a push for a negotiated settlement where Ukraine has to make concessions.  I vehemently disagree with that case, but it can be made in good faith and from a place of support for America and its values. 
 

That case doesn’t involve the following: confusing aggressors with victims, smearing a suffering nation as Nazis who deserved it, repeating Russia’s justification for its war crimes and atrocities, denying Russia’s war crimes and atrocities, projecting your own shitty and ill-informed “grievances” into the case as a means to advance your miserable politics, or apologizing for the mass gassing of people in a different war on a different continent. 
 

Yet all the people arguing for “peace” do the latter and utterly fail at the former.  Because they don’t want peace, they are pieces of shit who like Russia, want Russia to win, and want America to be more like Russia. 

THIS.

I don't even vehemently disagree with the case.  I live in the real world, and have to make and counsel people to make real-world decisions that may not be even close to their optimal outcome.  I disagree with it, but I can see it even being a rational take.  

But yeah, what you're getting from Ana and the Trump Regime and Lavrov and crew (seriously, the messaging is 100% identical for all three) is your second paragraph.

Ana doesn't want peace.  He wants complete capitulation by Ukraine, and total victory for Russia.  If he actually believed in using "leverage," he'd acknowledge that Ukraine indeed has some (much of that leverage being tied to its allies), and can and should use it.  Instead, he wants complete, unconditional surrender.  Because -- and this is important -- that's what he wants.

Peace is not the absence of conflict.  Your wife can have "peaceful sex" if she just lays back and lets her rapist have his way.  Which is exactly what Ana wants.  In the actual literal sense -- Russia has unquestionably used rape as a weapon of war in this conflict, and will continue to do so (even after any "peace" is imposed).

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

THIS.

I don't even vehemently disagree with the case.  I live in the real world, and have to make and counsel people to make real-world decisions that may not be even close to their optimal outcome.  I disagree with it, but I can see it even being a rational take.  

But yeah, what you're getting from Ana and the Trump Regime and Lavrov and crew (seriously, the messaging is 100% identical for all three) is your second paragraph.

Ana doesn't want peace.  He wants complete capitulation by Ukraine, and total victory for Russia.  If he actually believed in using "leverage," he'd acknowledge that Ukraine indeed has some (much of that leverage being tied to its allies), and can and should use it.  Instead, he wants complete, unconditional surrender.  Because -- and this is important -- that's what he wants.

Peace is not the absence of conflict.  Your wife can have "peaceful sex" if she just lays back and lets her rapist have his way.  Which is exactly what Ana wants.  In the actual literal sense -- Russia has unquestionably used rape as a weapon of war in this conflict, and will continue to do so (even after any "peace" is imposed).

Well, and they also want some sweet, juicy mineral rights. Because “no blood for oil” is more what you’d call a “guideline” than actual rules. 
 

Fake libertarian/anti-neocon MAGATs are the worst.  DJT does everything they claim to hate except with the subtlety of a goombah shaking down a bodega owner and all of a sudden it’s an attack on the “blob.”  It’s just adult oppositional defiant disorder. 

34 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Anastasis got very angry that anyone on this board noticed what happened in Bucha and got drunk last night and revealed he supported gas attacks on civilians in Syria.

Fantasy land stuff. What I pointed out was that American foreign policy incoherence makes for the worst bedfellows, eg “AQ is on our side in Syria.” Courtesy Mr. Sullivan. And of course under his watch Julani with a 10mm terrorist bounty from the US on his head took over the presidency. For wildcats rhetorical purposes this translates to “supporting gas attacks on civilians.”  

1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

It’s pretty amazing you haven’t just said “Russia could fuck off”.

You and I can tell Russia whatever we want. They view military build up by the west and Ukraine admittance into NATO as an existential threat. They will continue to throw meat into the grinder as long as it takes or until shit gets wild and they roll out tactical nukes. Some of you guys are very happy to see that handle keep spending. Some of you are very comfortable with nuclear brinkmanship. I’d prefer to find a pathway to deescalating this shit and learn from our mistakes. Not sure that I would hold my breath on that last part. 

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Think about it Ana. These countries, who know what it like to be under Russian domination, would prefer to risk it. And you sit safely in Texas, fucking up brisket, telling them they are wrong.

 

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9 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

You and I can tell Russia whatever we want. They view military build up by the west and Ukraine admittance into NATO as an existential threat. They will continue to throw meat into the grinder as long as it takes or until shit gets wild and they roll out tactical nukes. Some of you guys are very happy to see that handle keep spending. Some of you are very comfortable with nuclear brinkmanship. I’d prefer to find a pathway to deescalating this shit and learn from our mistakes. Not sure that I would hold my breath on that last part. 

No, they don't. You can tell they don't because they have been removing assets from the border with NATO in order to attack Ukraine. You can tell they don't because their invasion of Ukraine has only prompted increases build up by (non us) NATO. But again, you're not serious. You're just repeating Russian propaganda because you want Ukrainians to die to punish liberals and neocons. You are a deeply shitty person. 

2 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

No, they don't. You can tell they don't because they have been removing assets from the border with NATO in order to attack Ukraine. You can tell they don't because their invasion of Ukraine has only prompted increases build up by (non us) NATO. But again, you're not serious. You're just repeating Russian propaganda because you want Ukrainians to die to punish liberals and neocons. You are a deeply shitty person. 

Yeah, and about NATO on their border. Poland? The Baltic States? Now Scandanavia.

Add to that Georgia begging. Lets not pretend Turkey is not on their border. I mean, a few mountain republics. How about Japan? Not NATO, but 1 or 2 US assets there.

It is just a tired assed argument.

Ana is a pendejo. Mods like him. He keeps things "edgy" and smokes cigarettes. Probably wishes he had the balls to wear a beret. Like Ned Flanders' dad 

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But who is really is.

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12 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

No, they don't....You're just repeating Russian propaganda because you want Ukrainians to die to punish liberals and neocons.

Y'all telling me that this is all Russian propaganda right off Lavrov's desk, but the talking points related to the inevitable outcome of NATO expansion and straight from the mouths of George Kennan, Stephen Cohen, Bill Burns, Bob Gates, and numerous other US Ambassadors and diplomats. Not everything that is opposed to our dysfunctional foreign policy strategy is a Putin talking point your clowns.  

7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Y'all telling me that this is all Russian propaganda right off Lavrov's desk, but the talking points related to the inevitable outcome of NATO expansion and straight from the mouths of George Kennan, Stephen Cohen, Bill Burns, Bob Gates, and numerous other US Ambassadors and diplomats. Not everything that is opposed to our dysfunctional foreign policy strategy is a Putin talking point your clowns.  

Explain why Russia is removing air defense and other military assets from the border of NATO. Explain how giving Europe a reason to rearm supports your position that Russia viewed NATO as an extensial threat. It is a non sense position contradicted by all evidence. 

NATO is literally the only thing that has ever stopped Russia from having a war with its European neighbors. 

45 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

You and I can tell Russia whatever we want. They view military build up by the west and Ukraine admittance into NATO as an existential threat. They will continue to throw meat into the grinder as long as it takes or until shit gets wild and they roll out tactical nukes. Some of you guys are very happy to see that handle keep spending. Some of you are very comfortable with nuclear brinkmanship. I’d prefer to find a pathway to deescalating this shit and learn from our mistakes. Not sure that I would hold my breath on that last part. 

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20 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Y'all telling me that this is all Russian propaganda right off Lavrov's desk, but the talking points related to the inevitable outcome of NATO expansion and straight from the mouths of George Kennan, Stephen Cohen, Bill Burns, Bob Gates, and numerous other US Ambassadors and diplomats. Not everything that is opposed to our dysfunctional foreign policy strategy is a Putin talking point your clowns.  

Not everything is a Putin talking point, but you’re sure playing the hits in this thread.

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Russia felt so threatened by NATO that in the half-century following World II it invaded two members of its own counter-NATO defense bloc and forced a third to implement martial law upon threat of invasion.  It’s just astoundingly stupid to make the argument that Russia needs a NATO threat to invade and subjugate its neighbors, they are more threatened by their own treaty allies than by NATO.  The common thread in all of them as well as Ukraine and Georgia is that Russia is threatened when its neighbors choose to liberalize internally. 

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