April 14, 20223 yr Spin off from my other thread.....but this time with rules (we where sleeves here). rules: Player has to have been with the team at least four years. That means no Kyrie on the Celts or Lebron on the Lakers for now. He doesn't necessarily have to be attached exclusively to one team, ie, is Barkley a Sixer or a Sun? Players can switch positions. For player's on multiple teams, their performance would be based on their time with the team, ie, Hakeem on the Raptors is Hakeem on the Raptors. My Laker team: Magic Kobe Worthy (or I would play Kobe at the 3 and start West) Kareem Shaq Celtics could give them a run: Cousy Havlicheck Bird Mchale Russell
April 14, 20223 yr Rockets: c- Yao PF- Hakeem 3- T-mac 2- Drexler 1- Harden. I know Hakeem was a center but he is so damn athletic and not all that big- he could easily play power forward in any era and did during the twin tower era. That Rockets team would be pretty tough to beat 1-5 as you have HOFers (all other than Drexler in their absolute prime) everywhere. He played in 4 calendar years for the Rockets and won a title so I’m counting him- even if it was late prime Clyde that’s still better than Cassell or Smith or Murphy at the 1 with Harden at the 2). Bench is going to kind of suck. This is a pretty top heavy team. I would take this all time team and expect it to finish somewhere around 6-9 in this league. Definitely the best all time team in Texas.
April 14, 20223 yr Warriors: Wilt Chamberlain Steph Curry KD Klay Draymond Chris Mullin Paul Arizin Nate Thurmond Chris Webber Tim Hardaway thats not bad
April 14, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, shadow_operative said: Philly: Iverson Barkley Embiid Moses Dr.J Wilt Hal Greer Mo Cheeks hard to beat that
April 14, 20223 yr Author 52 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said: Parker Gervin Leonard Duncan Robinson Ginobili (6th man) That team would be hard to deal with.
April 14, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, shadow_operative said: Warriors: Wilt Chamberlain Steph Curry KD Klay Draymond Chris Mullin Paul Arizin Nate Thurmond Chris Webber Tim Hardaway thats not bad that team flies under the radar. but KD was only a warrior for 3 years.
April 14, 20223 yr WolvesPG- Sam CassellSG-Anthony EdwardsSF-Jimmy ButlerPF- Kevin GarnettC- Karl Anthony townsBenchD’Angelo RussellTom GugliottaKevin love Trenton HassellWally Z
April 14, 20223 yr 44 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said: Wolves PG- Sam Cassell SG-Anthony Edwards SF-Jimmy Butler PF- Kevin Garnett C- Karl Anthony towns Bench D’Angelo Russell Tom Gugliotta Kevin love Trenton Hassell Wally Z I don't think you can count Cassell or Butler since they didn't play there long enough. Or even Edwards or Russell for that matter. I would give you Starbury and Sprewell, but they didn't play there long enough either. I would go: Terrell Brandon -or- Ricky Rubio Andrew Wiggins -or- Wally Sczerbiak Kevin Garnett Kevin Love KAT
April 14, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said: I don't think you can count Cassell or Butler since they didn't play there long enough. Or even Edwards or Russell for that matter. I would give you Starbury and Sprewell, but they didn't play there long enough either. I would go: Terrell Brandon -or- Ricky Rubio Andrew Wiggins -or- Wally Sczerbiak Kevin Garnett Kevin Love KAT What a sad best 5 for a team that's been around what- 35 years now? That's just brutal. Looking at it like that you have to feel for, and respect, Minny fans.
April 14, 20223 yr Author 1 hour ago, MNLonghornFUKM said: Wolves PG- Sam Cassell SG-Anthony Edwards SF-Jimmy Butler PF- Kevin Garnett C- Karl Anthony towns Bench D’Angelo Russell Tom Gugliotta Kevin love Trenton Hassell Wally Z Marbury starts over Sam. Laettner over Hassell. Otherwise, this team fucks.
April 14, 20223 yr Author Mavs Nash Luka Kidd Mark Aguire Dirk Tarpley, Donaldson, Harper, Blackmon, Mashburn, Finley, Detlef Marion, Porzinghis,Perkins etc Edited April 14, 20223 yr by closetohumping
April 14, 20223 yr 51 minutes ago, Underdog said: I’ll take early 70s Knicks along with Ewing, King. Says a lot about the Knicks that Ewing is the youngest guy on your list.
April 14, 20223 yr 13 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said: Rockets: c- Yao PF- Hakeem 3- T-mac 2- Drexler 1- Harden. I know Hakeem was a center but he is so damn athletic and not all that big- he could easily play power forward in any era and did during the twin tower era. That Rockets team would be pretty tough to beat 1-5 as you have HOFers (all other than Drexler in their absolute prime) everywhere. He played in 4 calendar years for the Rockets and won a title so I’m counting him- even if it was late prime Clyde that’s still better than Cassell or Smith or Murphy at the 1 with Harden at the 2). Bench is going to kind of suck. This is a pretty top heavy team. I would take this all time team and expect it to finish somewhere around 6-9 in this league. Definitely the best all time team in Texas. Moses Malone > Yao, absolutely carried a 40-42 team to the 1981 Finals to meed Larry Legend.
April 14, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, closetohumping said: Mavs Nash Luka Kidd Mark Aguire Dirk Tarpley, Donaldson, Harper, Blackmon, Mashburn, Finley, Detlef Marion, Porzinghis,Perkins etc absolute lack of traditional inside power in 40 years.
April 14, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said: absolute lack of traditional inside power in 40 years. Dirk/Tarpley/Chandler can split the 4/5 minutes.
April 14, 20223 yr 26 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said: Moses Malone > Yao, absolutely carried a 40-42 team to the 1981 Finals to meed Larry Legend. This is what happens when you make up a list in your head. Yeah- I'd go with him over Yao. But boy, Yao would be a weapon off the bench.
April 14, 20223 yr 4 years+ of playing makes it a bit tougher. Lots of good big men, not a lot of notable guards on the Cavs. Cavs: Lebron Kyrie Irving Kevin Love Mark Price Brad Daugherty Larry Nance
April 14, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said: 4 years+ of playing makes it a bit tougher. Lots of good big men, not a lot of notable guards on the Cavs. Cavs: Lebron Kyrie Irving Kevin Love Mark Price Brad Daugherty Larry Nance Don't you dare put that slander on Boogie Gibson's name. He's a longhorn legend. And led them to a finals appearance with some kid whose name I can't quite remember
April 14, 20223 yr Author For Detroit, some blend of the Bad Boys and the team that beat the Lakers would be interesting.
April 14, 20223 yr lack of a pure center in Chicago history with Artis being there at an old age . Otherwise we have Bill Cartwright, Bill Wennington and Luc Longley. Even Will Perdue was a good one and then there's Noah.
April 14, 20223 yr San Antonio is criminally underrated. Other teams may have better individual players, but San Antonio has elite players who would mesh perfectly. They would be an absolute nightmare with three defensive players of the year plus a top-10 scorer in Gervin. Tim Duncan - The unanimous best power forward of all-time, playing in his natural position. David Robinson - Another top-20 player with an MVP, DPoY and scoring title Kawhi Leonard - 2x Finals MVP, 2x DPoY, #2 in MVP voting. Best win% in NBA regular season history George Gervin - Top-10 all-time scorer, two top-25 individual seasons, #2 in MVP voting and averaged 33+ points per game Tony Parker - Finals MVP, top-5 MVP voting, top-70 overall player Gregg Popovich - Coached by a top-3 all-time coach. Maybe the best. The TEAM would match up well with Lakers. Kawhi vs. Kobe - Prime Kawhi could go toe to toe with Kobe. Kawhi was 7-0 against Kobe in games they played (late stage of Kobe's career, but early part of Kawhi's). In those games, Kawhi held him to 17.7 ppg. Gervin vs. Magic - Magic would also have a hard time with Gervin. In 22 games played, Gervin was 12-10 against Magic and averaged 25 pts on 48% shooting. Magic wasn't a great defender. Parker vs. Worthy - Worthy is the better player, but overall this is also pretty even. #67 vs. #48 Duncan vs. Kareem - Give me the big fundamental playing against an out-of-position Kareem. Shaq vs. Robinson - In their primes (1994-1998), Robinson outplayed Shaq head to head going 5-2. Admiral averaged 29 pts, 12 reb, 4.4 ast, 2.6 blocks and shot 82% FT against Shaq (28 pts, 13 reb, 1.8 ast, 1.9 blk, 60% FT) I realize the above matchups probably wouldn't play out. I just wanted to show that these players actually played head to head a good bit. It would probably be Parker vs. Kobe, Kawhi vs. Magic and Gervin vs. Worthy. In a lot of ways I like these matchups better for the Spurs as Kawhi could slow down Magic. If the two JUST played 5v5, I bet the Spurs would win that matchup close to 50% of the time with these rosters. Maybe more. Pop would employ Hack-a-Shaq if the game was close and that would give at least a few more wins. The Spurs are also a much better shooting team for a modern game.
April 14, 20223 yr Popular Post 1 hour ago, HookEm said: San Antonio is criminally underrated. Other teams may have better individual players, but San Antonio has elite players who would mesh perfectly. They would be an absolute nightmare with three defensive players of the year plus a top-10 scorer in Gervin. Tim Duncan - The unanimous best power forward of all-time, playing in his natural position. David Robinson - Another top-20 player with an MVP, DPoY and scoring title Kawhi Leonard - 2x Finals MVP, 2x DPoY, #2 in MVP voting. Best win% in NBA regular season history George Gervin - Top-10 all-time scorer, two top-25 individual seasons, #2 in MVP voting and averaged 33+ points per game Tony Parker - Finals MVP, top-5 MVP voting, top-70 overall player Gregg Popovich - Coached by a top-3 all-time coach. Maybe the best. The TEAM would match up well with Lakers. Kawhi vs. Kobe - Prime Kawhi could go toe to toe with Kobe. Kawhi was 7-0 against Kobe in games they played (late stage of Kobe's career, but early part of Kawhi's). In those games, Kawhi held him to 17.7 ppg. Gervin vs. Magic - Magic would also have a hard time with Gervin. In 22 games played, Gervin was 12-10 against Magic and averaged 25 pts on 48% shooting. Magic wasn't a great defender. Parker vs. Worthy - Worthy is the better player, but overall this is also pretty even. #67 vs. #48 Duncan vs. Kareem - Give me the big fundamental playing against an out-of-position Kareem. Shaq vs. Robinson - In their primes (1994-1998), Robinson outplayed Shaq head to head going 5-2. Admiral averaged 29 pts, 12 reb, 4.4 ast, 2.6 blocks and shot 82% FT against Shaq (28 pts, 13 reb, 1.8 ast, 1.9 blk, 60% FT) I realize the above matchups probably wouldn't play out. I just wanted to show that these players actually played head to head a good bit. It would probably be Parker vs. Kobe, Kawhi vs. Magic and Gervin vs. Worthy. In a lot of ways I like these matchups better for the Spurs as Kawhi could slow down Magic. If the two JUST played 5v5, I bet the Spurs would win that matchup close to 50% of the time with these rosters. Maybe more. Pop would employ Hack-a-Shaq if the game was close and that would give at least a few more wins. The Spurs are also a much better shooting team for a modern game.
April 14, 20223 yr BTW I'm not a Spurs fan. That Lakers team just seems like it would have too many mouths to feed. Magic is at his best when out running (same with Worthy). Kobe could also run, but then you have Shaq and Kareem clogging everything up. Those two bigs would NOT play well together. Neither was great outside the lane. And the team wouldn't have the shooting necessary to keep people from clogging the paint.
April 14, 20223 yr 7 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said: Parker Gervin Leonard Duncan Robinson Ginobili (6th man) I think DJ gets a spot on the bench at this point. Would potentially be a better PG matchup for guys like Magic than TP would.
April 14, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, HookEm said: BTW I'm not a Spurs fan. That Lakers team just seems like it would have too many mouths to feed. Magic is at his best when out running (same with Worthy). Kobe could also run, but then you have Shaq and Kareem clogging everything up. Those two bigs would NOT play well together. Neither was great outside the lane. And the team wouldn't have the shooting necessary to keep people from clogging the paint. Peak Kawhi was just as good as Kobe ever was. Kobe just did it for longer. Although Kawhi's best season was unfortunately as a Raptor. TP was awesome but he's hard to hide on defense against the all time Lakers. Why I feel like DJ becomes an interesting look.
April 14, 20223 yr Some fodder. Not starting 5s but fun to look around at all time rosters. https://www.2kratings.com/all-time-teams
April 14, 20223 yr Jazz PG - John Stockton SG - Pete Maravich SF - Adrian Dantley PF - Karl Malone C - Mark Eaton/Rudy Gobert
April 14, 20223 yr For exercises like this, I also hate going back before the NBA ABA merger. The game was just too different then and I never saw any of the players with my own eyes. So if I'm just going back to 1976 and trying to put together an actual Lakers starting 5 that would be a good TEAM, I might go with: PG: Magic - 1987 - MVP, Finals MVP SG: M. Cooper - 1987 - Defensive PoY, 39% 3s SF: Kobe - 2008 - MVP, 36% 3s, 5.4 ast, 1st team Defense PF: P. Gasol - 2011 - 2nd team NBA C : Kareem - 1976 - MVP That is a much better shooting and versatile defending team with Cooper in for Worthy. Pau instead of Shaq also gets rid of the chemistry issues, lets the team run and solves the spacing issues. Kobe can also be a gunner with this setup.
April 14, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, HookEm said: For exercises like this, I also hate going back before the NBA ABA merger. The game was just too different then and I never saw any of the players with my own eyes. So if I'm just going back to 1976 and trying to put together an actual Lakers starting 5 that would be a good TEAM, I might go with: PG: Magic - 1987 - MVP, Finals MVP SG: M. Cooper - 1987 - Defensive PoY, 39% 3s SF: Kobe - 2008 - MVP, 36% 3s, 5.4 ast, 1st team Defense PF: P. Gasol - 2011 - 2nd team NBA C : Kareem - 1976 - MVP That is a much better shooting and versatile defending team with Cooper in for Worthy. Pau instead of Shaq also gets rid of the chemistry issues, lets the team run and solves the spacing issues. Kobe can also be a gunner with this setup. Chemistry issues? Then tell Kobe to fuck off. No way are you not starting 2000 Shaq. And he could run the floor just fine.
April 14, 20223 yr Author 1 hour ago, HookEm said: BTW I'm not a Spurs fan. That Lakers team just seems like it would have too many mouths to feed. Magic is at his best when out running (same with Worthy). Kobe could also run, but then you have Shaq and Kareem clogging everything up. Those two bigs would NOT play well together. Neither was great outside the lane. And the team wouldn't have the shooting necessary to keep people from clogging the paint. How about this: magic west/baylor kobe worthy kareem
April 14, 20223 yr 13 hours ago, shadow_operative said: Warriors: Wilt Chamberlain Steph Curry KD Klay Draymond Chris Mullin Paul Arizin Nate Thurmond Chris Webber Tim Hardaway thats not bad Rick Barry would like to have a word with you and he'd be in the starting lineup over Klay and Draymond. 5 hours ago, OB3 said: Heat Hardaway Wade Lebron Mourning Shaq 6th man Bosh Bosh over Shaq, if looking at careers not apexes. Shaq was basically great one season and was hurt down the stretch and mediocre in the playoffs. 2 hours ago, ztejas said: Peak Kawhi was just as good as Kobe ever was. Kobe just did it for longer. Although Kawhi's best season was unfortunately as a Raptor. TP was awesome but he's hard to hide on defense against the all time Lakers. Why I feel like DJ becomes an interesting look. Good thoughts although he's had a couple of SA seasons where he was as good or better than Kobe. Peak Kawhi > peak Kobe, but as you stated, Kobe has the longevity.
April 14, 20223 yr Thunder: PG -- Gary Payton SG -- James Harden SF -- Kevin Durant PF -- Shawn Kemp C -- Jack Sikma See what I did there.....?
April 14, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said: Thunder: PG -- Gary Payton SG -- James Harden SF -- Kevin Durant PF -- Shawn Kemp C -- Jack Sikma See what I did there.....? Spencer Haywood over Shawn Kemp. Haywood was substantially more talented.
April 15, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said: Spencer Haywood over Shawn Kemp. Haywood was substantially more talented. Shawn Kemp lacked work ethic, but the talent was there. I am too young to remember Haywood, but prime Kemp was a sight to behold.
April 15, 20223 yr 21 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said: Rockets: c- Yao PF- Hakeem 3- T-mac 2- Drexler 1- Harden. I know Hakeem was a center but he is so damn athletic and not all that big- he could easily play power forward in any era and did during the twin tower era. That Rockets team would be pretty tough to beat 1-5 as you have HOFers (all other than Drexler in their absolute prime) everywhere. He played in 4 calendar years for the Rockets and won a title so I’m counting him- even if it was late prime Clyde that’s still better than Cassell or Smith or Murphy at the 1 with Harden at the 2). Bench is going to kind of suck. This is a pretty top heavy team. I would take this all time team and expect it to finish somewhere around 6-9 in this league. Definitely the best all time team in Texas. I’d probably bump Yao for either Moses Malone or Elvin Hayes, but other than that it looks pretty solid. The rest of that lineup would definitely be able to play at an elevated pace, and I think either of those guys would be better in an up and down scenario. Edited April 15, 20223 yr by IDIOTsavant Reason for bumping Yao.
April 15, 20223 yr 40 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said: Thunder: PG -- Gary Payton SG -- James Harden SF -- Kevin Durant PF -- Shawn Kemp C -- Jack Sikma See what I did there.....? Maybe they'd be better of with GP. Westbrook was the better player though. Also, Seattle RayRay >>>>>>> OKC Harden. Harden didn't play 4 years with them anyway. Edited April 15, 20223 yr by ztejas
April 15, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said: Yep, Kemp was definitely talented. Haywood was even more talented. I got the privilege of playing a pickup game with kemp, so I’m probably a little biased.
April 15, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, conVINCEd said: I got the privilege of playing a pickup game with kemp, so I’m probably a little biased. I met him years ago at the old Forum Club at The Forum. When he shook my hand, it was like a grown man shaking a baby’s hand.
April 15, 20223 yr Just now, Sbbruin said: I met him years ago at the old Forum Club at The Forum. When he shook my hand, it was like a grown man shaking a baby’s hand. I damn near threw an alley oop completely over the backboard and he still went up and put it home. This was when he was prepping for the draft, so probably his peak athleticism.
April 15, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Baboontyme said: Some fodder. Not starting 5s but fun to look around at all time rosters. https://www.2kratings.com/all-time-teams This cracked me up... Wilt and his 30.1 ppg / 22.9 rpg sitting behind Dolph Schayes and his 18.5ppg / 12.1 rpg. Sure Schayes played most of his career for the syracuse nationals who became the 76ers, but come the fuck on. Wilt played for the 76ers for 3.5 seasons and won 3 MVPs and the 67 NBA title.
April 15, 20223 yr Is Chuck a 99 in Philly or just Phoenix Chuck? Took me a second to realize who was missing from that list and why. He is one of the few guys that won't let 2K use his NIL.
April 15, 20223 yr 13 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said: Parker Gervin Leonard Duncan Robinson Ginobili (6th man) I’d probably swap Parker for manu. If pop can squeeze some defense out of gervin then that’s a top offense and defensive team.
April 15, 20223 yr 11 hours ago, MNLonghornFUKM said: Wolves PG- Sam Cassell SG-Anthony Edwards SF-Jimmy Butler PF- Kevin Garnett C- Karl Anthony towns Bench D’Angelo Russell Tom Gugliotta Kevin love Trenton Hassell Wally Z Was Spreewell too busy feeding his family to make the cut?
April 15, 20223 yr Author 16 hours ago, shadow_operative said: Warriors: Wilt Chamberlain Steph Curry KD Klay Draymond Chris Mullin Paul Arizin Nate Thurmond Chris Webber Tim Hardaway thats not bad Mitch Richmond, who many would consider a top 3 SG during the Jordan era would be on that team. Rick Barry How about Baron Davis? 38 minutes ago, dingleberryswitzer said: Was Spreewell too busy feeding his family to make the cut? I'd leave his sorry ass with that damn pitt bull of his . Though Spree had good years with GSW too right? Damn.
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