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#28751
4 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

Thats kind of how I'd measure it, like a Q-score.   When Nebraska sucks balls, they're still pulling in similar numbers to Oregon when at their best.

I'd have to see the receipts on this.  I think Oregon is beating them pretty decisively in a lot of areas.  Even if NU gets back to 9-10 wins per, I don't know if they'll climb into the Top 10 on the recruiting trail.  Oregon has leveraged Nike, location, facilities, NIL, etc, to land a couple Top 10 classes in recent years.  

It's not like Oregon has been winning at an extra elite level lately.  Their 2014 CFP trip was their only CFP trip and that will be nine seasons ago in August.  They've only won the PAC twice since then, and one of those was the COVID year. 

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#28752
1 hour ago, camel at sea said:

How would you measure a brand power battle between Oregon and Nebraska?  

TV audience?  Appeal to recruits?  Merch sales?  Ticket prices for an opponent when they visit?  NU has been irrelevant for nearly all of the adult years of U.S. millennials and they've been a total non-factor for the entire lives of Gen Z.  

Miami and suburbs is 6m+. Nebraska (the whole state) is less than 2 million people. If they can't cheat and pay players who couldn't pass a reading test, they can't compete. You have to be 40 years old to remember a relevant Nebraska. Miami and surrounds is 3x more populous, and all of Florida is interested. When they are shitty, they still pull more viewership than any big 12 team not UT/OU.

Nebraska is the shitiest "name" there is. Colorado, if they truly give a fuck, has immediately more potential than Nebraska and they have nowhere near the pedigree. Also, they have long natural grass and shit.*

*90s reference. no idea if current. They used not mow so they could slow down 90/'00 teams who thew the ball. Like watching dudes running threw mud. 

#28753

I'm not sure why but a CU fan talking trash is hilarious to me. Maybe slow you're roll a bit until Prime at least steps foot on the field for a few games. 

#28754
4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I'm not sure why but a CU fan talking trash is hilarious to me. Maybe slow you're roll a bit until Prime at least steps foot on the field for a few games. 

I am not a CU fan. Not sure how you got that. 

I picked the next shittiest brand that was out of favor next to Nebraska. I think CU is the closest shitiest brand that compares.

I think Dion is a fraud and hope Colorado is swallowed by a space/time vortex that uses Dion's skin as a space-warrior condom. but they have more potential than nebraska does at being relevant. 

Smug much?

#28755
49 minutes ago, Welshy said:

Miami and suburbs is 6m+. Nebraska (the whole state) is less than 2 million people. If they can't cheat and pay players who couldn't pass a reading test, they can't compete. You have to be 40 years old to remember a relevant Nebraska. Miami and surrounds is 3x more populous, and all of Florida is interested. When they are shitty, they still pull more viewership than any big 12 team not UT/OU.

Nebraska is the shitiest "name" there is. Colorado, if they truly give a fuck, has immediately more potential than Nebraska and they have nowhere near the pedigree. Also, they have long natural grass and shit.*

*90s reference. no idea if current. They used not mow so they could slow down 90/'00 teams who thew the ball. Like watching dudes running threw mud. 

Potential and Population are not the measurements   Does it help, sure, in time.   Brand is like a bucket you fill slowly each year.   The more success you have over decades, the greater that brand grows, you can't really grow a stable brand quickly.   Nebraska has been a dumpster fire for two decades and it still has a bigger bucket than any other property left on the board, except the Irish.  

Miami, FSU, Oregon, etc, they all have brands, they have value.   But they don't have brands and value that equates to the Big 2's per team revenue.   They are in purgatory between the haves and have nots.    Too valuable for the B12/ACC and not valuable enough for the Big 2.

#28756
3 hours ago, Hurtlocker said:

I'm discussing brands, not how well some teams do in big games or when they're good.  At 6-6 more people will still watch Texas or Michigan than will tune into Aurburn or FSU or Clemson.    Oregon's brand is growing but it is not in that top tier.

Nebraska has fucking blown for decades, but they still carry more brand power than Oregon.     

When consolidating for regular seasons, you want brands.   Viewers will come.

I wasn't disputing your first tier.

Its putting Auburn, FSU and Clemson in the 3rd tier I was disputing.

#28757
5 hours ago, Jabberwocky said:
At a board meeting today, Pac-12 presented presidents with an update on what’s termed “accelerated” progress on a TV deal, sources tell @SINow.Only a general framework was revealed, w/ significant linear concepts. A more substantive framework expected by FB media day (July 21).

Looks like they were both right.

wtf is "accelerated" progress when you have been bumblefucking around for 2 years and gotten nothing done?

how can you "accelerate" your progress when you are still at ZERO ?

#28758
42 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

wtf is "accelerated" progress when you have been bumblefucking around for 2 years and gotten nothing done?

how can you "accelerate" your progress when you are still at ZERO ?

Kliavkoff got up the nerve to call ESPN today. So like super progress. 

#28759

the only movement for the past 18 months has been announcements that x, y and z are not interested and no longer involved

pacx progress can therefore only be measured in negative numbers because it has only gone backwards

in such a situation "accelerating" progress is Snoats Logic

#28760
4 hours ago, Hurtlocker said:

Potential and Population are not the measurements   Does it help, sure, in time.   Brand is like a bucket you fill slowly each year.   The more success you have over decades, the greater that brand grows, you can't really grow a stable brand quickly.   Nebraska has been a dumpster fire for two decades and it still has a bigger bucket than any other property left on the board, except the Irish.  

Miami, FSU, Oregon, etc, they all have brands, they have value.   But they don't have brands and value that equates to the Big 2's per team revenue.   They are in purgatory between the haves and have not.    Too valuable for the B12/ACC and not valuable enough for the Big 2.

 Sorry, please allow me to clarify: 

Fuck Nebraska. 

#28761
6 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

wtf is "accelerated" progress when you have been bumblefucking around for 2 years and gotten nothing done?

how can you "accelerate" your progress when you are still at ZERO ?

Here, since you're to lazy, let me google it for you.

Accelerated: See Foward Thinking

Forward Thinking: See Creative

Creative: See Accelerated

That should help clear the air.

#28762
12 hours ago, 'stache said:

I'm not sure why but a CU fan talking trash is hilarious to me. Maybe slow you're roll a bit until Prime at least steps foot on the field for a few games. 

ISWY(inadvertently)DT

#28763
On 6/30/2023 at 4:52 PM, Hurtlocker said:

This seems a no brainer.   The windows are filling up fast and you can either put more games on streaming, at 12-14 teams, or you can take more windows.   They've got 2 on Saturday, but getting Thursday and Friday nights not only takes games off streaming to linear, but also takes options away from the Pac.    

After next year, they could add 2-4 more west coast teams and take the late night window too and keep 3-5 linear slots on every week.   Granted, not all in the top three camps of Big Noon on Fox and ESPN/ABC in prime, but its far better branding to be on tv than not.   And playing Thursday night on ESPN is better than FS1, like, ever.   And FS1 is better than any conference network or streaming.   

 

The Big12 finalizing some Thursday and Friday night slots is just another nail in the PACX coffin. Their "forward thinking" just got outplayed.

There's also this previously posted tweet in which Yormark thanks the teams at Endeavor and Proskaeur. I guess these are companies specializing in contract negotiations and most of all, fine print details.  I've wondered how conference offices could possibly handle all the infinitesimal details of a 6 year billiondy dollar deal, looks like you outsource that crap. 

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#28764

So, no real media deal and no leaks yet about the structure or framework presented to the presidents?

So the real question is did they present anything specific framework-wise and they are clamping down on who has access or did they show so little that there is nothing to leak?

#28765
9 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

So, no real media deal and no leaks yet about the structure or framework presented to the presidents?

So the real question is did they present anything specific framework-wise and they are clamping down on who has access or did they show so little that there is nothing to leak?

I'm guessing the later.   Either they are the smartest people in the room or this is going to implode drastically.    The best expansion property on the board for them is now off market and ESPN is down to one window left and is cost-cutting at a remarkable pace.

I'm still under the belief that the reason this is taking so long is they are going to sell the PacNet to pay off their issues and regain some lost investment, which will look like increased revenue for 5-10 years.   If someone leaves now, they may miss out on recouping that cost.

#28766
1 hour ago, Hurtlocker said:

I'm guessing the later.   Either they are the smartest people in the room or this is going to implode drastically.    The best expansion property on the board for them is now off market and ESPN is down to one window left and is cost-cutting at a remarkable pace.

I'm still under the belief that the reason this is taking so long is they are going to sell the PacNet to pay off their issues and regain some lost investment, which will look like increased revenue for 5-10 years.   If someone leaves now, they may miss out on recouping that cost.

Who the fuck would buy PacNet? Apple?

#28767
7 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Who the fuck would buy PacNet? Apple?

That would seem to go against the way Apple does things. They are smart and calculating. I don’t see how PacNet could be viewed as a good idea within Apple. But what do I know? (Hint: Not a damn thing).

#28768
1 hour ago, DFW Horn said:

Who the fuck would buy PacNet? Apple?

If it is sold, probably.  And if sold, it will be for pennies on the dollar, like $100m.   It provides Apple a linear channel in 14m homes with a lot of production equipment and the personel to use it.  Though it would cease to be PacNet and would become linear Apple TV.  

With their MLS and MLB regional agreements and the implosion of RSN, where rights can be gobbled up in various markets, they could expand the footprint more than the Pac ever could.

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#28769
What i know about the @pac12 media deal - Working on getting more details but two linear partners, one streamer - regional/national coverage - week night games on the table. Have no idea who is involved - developing story - more to come. Have a great holiday weekend. Wish i had…

 

#28770
49 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

If it is sold, probably.  And if sold, it will be for pennies on the dollar, like $100m.   It provides Apple a linear channel in 14m homes with a lot of production equipment and the personel to use it.  Though it would cease to be PacNet and would become linear Apple TV.  

With their MLS and MLB regional agreements and the implosion of RSN, where rights can be gobbled up in various markets, they could expand the footprint more than the Pac ever could.

Well, then Kliavkoff will have earned his keep if not a medal. He inherited a shit salad from the assclown, Larry Scott. 

#28771
55 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:
What i know about the @pac12 media deal - Working on getting more details but two linear partners, one streamer - regional/national coverage - week night games on the table. Have no idea who is involved - developing story - more to come. Have a great holiday weekend. Wish i had…

 

sounds like a cluster fuck to me

#28772
2 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

Well, then Kliavkoff will have earned his keep if not a medal. He inherited a shit salad from the assclown, Larry Scott. 

Yeah it would provide him a lure too.   Let's say they actually sell it for $150m and $75m pays off debt.   That splits $75m 10 ways.   Over 5 years that's 1.5m a year to buff up any contract difference AND, if a team moves they lose that $7.5m, which hurts because they've paid into it for a decade with no return.

#28775
On 6/30/2023 at 2:48 PM, bullet said:
On 6/30/2023 at 11:15 AM, DFW Horn said:

He still loses a 10-4 vote.

I forget what percentage the SEC bylaws state as the minimum to add members. Moot point

that agreement is total fiction. Florida has spnsored FSU.  And their purpose now is not to build the SEC network that’s in permanent decline so having new states is not as important.   FSU is absolutely first on the SEC list they would love to have them.

To answer the first question, 3/4 vote is needed, so if the "Gentlemen's Agreement" existed, it could have been used to block someone.

And what bullet said is correct. Florida has sponsored FSU multiple times. 

I think if the SEC were to expand, FSU would be towards the top of the list, but I really don't know that the SEC has any desire to expand right now. I think everyone just wants to digest a 16 team conference. 

#28778
36 minutes ago, gatormarc said:

To answer the first question, 3/4 vote is needed, so if the "Gentlemen's Agreement" existed, it could have been used to block someone.

And what bullet said is correct. Florida has sponsored FSU multiple times. 

I think if the SEC were to expand, FSU would be towards the top of the list, but I really don't know that the SEC has any desire to expand right now. I think everyone just wants to digest a 16 team conference. 

Now, wait just a minute! Are you claiming that my “connected” Aggie friend has been talking out his ass?😂

#28779
4 minutes ago, statsman said:

Now, wait just a minute! Are you claiming that my “connected” Aggie friend has been talking out his ass?😂

I would suggest such a thing.

I'm sure there are top men working at TexAgs.

Top Men.

#28781
On 6/30/2023 at 12:13 PM, bullet said:

There are only 6 schools not in the P2 who are serious regular playoff contenders.  Washington and Oregon, along with FSU, Clemson, Miami and ND are the others.

Washington and Oregon help lock up the west coast.  They help lock up the playoff contenders.  And while none of the surveys of fan interest are perfect, Oregon is consistently the favorite team in California north of San Francisco.  In some surveys, it is ahead of Cal and Stanford in parts of the Bay Area.

McMurphy said the Big 10 was looking at 7 schools-UW, Oregon, Cal, Stanford, Notre Dame, FSU and Miami.  We know Cal and Stanford were at the bottom of that list as they weren't in Chicago making presentations.  McMurphy is not the only one who is convinced Washington and Oregon will be invited sometime in the next decade.

Virginia and UNC have value, but its not like moving into NYC.  And their fb tv viewership is very pedestrian.

You said a lot without answering my question, so I'll ask again- exactly which BIG schools will find it in their best interest to add UO ?  

And if the Zeros are that valuable, why didn't the BIG do it over the last 12 months ?

#28783
20 minutes ago, USC Traveler said:

You said a lot without answering my question, so I'll ask again- exactly which BIG schools will find it in their best interest to add UO ?  

And if the Zeros are that valuable, why didn't the BIG do it over the last 12 months ?

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#28784
2 hours ago, USC Traveler said:

You said a lot without answering my question, so I'll ask again- exactly which BIG schools will find it in their best interest to add UO ?  

And if the Zeros are that valuable, why didn't the BIG do it over the last 12 months ?

All of them because they make the playoffs.  Big 10 is in no hurry.  And is evaluating how 16 works.   Oregon isn’t USC or OU or UT so they aren’t a no brained but they have value

#28785
A @pac12 update: It seems the @Pac12Network will play a big role in the new media. The likely home for all the content from a production element. They will become a direct to consumer source for the events as well as on cable and satellite 📡📡📡I must caution that is the…

 

#28787
21 hours ago, Laxtonto said:

So, no real media deal and no leaks yet about the structure or framework presented to the presidents?

So the real question is did they present anything specific framework-wise and they are clamping down on who has access or did they show so little that there is nothing to leak?

If the PACX really sent out the contract framework right before a FOUR day weekend, it would be because the deal sucks. In politics you deliver bad news on Friday and good news on Monday or Tuesday. If the unemployment rate is going up, you announce it on Friday. Or If you ever had a daughter try out for cheerleader, the tryouts usually conclude during the week before spring break. The the administration will post who made the squad on Friday, then run out the door. They don't want to deal with any angry mom's and suicidal daughters until they've had a week to chill. Same here, if the PACX deal sucks, give it to the schools on Friday June 30th, the schools will have to chew on it at least until Wednesday.

#28789
8 hours ago, CustersDoctor said:

If the PACX really sent out the contract framework right before a FOUR day weekend, it would be because the deal sucks. In politics you deliver bad news on Friday and good news on Monday or Tuesday. If the unemployment rate is going up, you announce it on Friday. Or If you ever had a daughter try out for cheerleader, the tryouts usually conclude during the week before spring break. The the administration will post who made the squad on Friday, then run out the door. They don't want to deal with any angry mom's and suicidal daughters until they've had a week to chill. Same here, if the PACX deal sucks, give it to the schools on Friday June 30th, the schools will have to chew on it at least until Wednesday.

Until he has ten votes, I'd be shocked if he presents anything

#28791

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2023-07-03/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-mountain-west-conference-pac-12-exit-letters-6-6-million-distribution

 

Mountain West’s latest letter to San Diego State on July 1 indicates MW considers Aztecs formally gave notification they were leaving league in 2024, @sdutzeigler reports. MW is withholding $6.6 million as part of SDSU’s $17 million exit fee, due by July 1, 2024. However, SDSU…

 

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#28793
1 hour ago, SimonBolivar said:

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/story/2023-07-03/san-diego-state-sdsu-aztecs-mountain-west-conference-pac-12-exit-letters-6-6-million-distribution

 

Mountain West’s latest letter to San Diego State on July 1 indicates MW considers Aztecs formally gave notification they were leaving league in 2024, @sdutzeigler reports. MW is withholding $6.6 million as part of SDSU’s $17 million exit fee, due by July 1, 2024. However, SDSU…

 

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#28795
4 hours ago, Deej said:

MeTV

Only for the WAC10 After Dark games.

They want to keep their primetime lineup of Hogan's Heroes, Andy Griffith Show, the Johnny Cash Show and Gunsmoke, as those shows draw better ratings than 90% of WAC10 games.

#28797
The Big Ten targets are @univmiami and @UNC - I was told by a solid source at a B10 Michigan school " Washington and Oregon are fine candidates but we are looking south. It would be great to set up shop in the heart of @sec country. We know the GOR with the ACC is very complex…

 

#28798
1 hour ago, Jabberwocky said:
The Big Ten targets are @univmiami and @UNC - I was told by a solid source at a B10 Michigan school " Washington and Oregon are fine candidates but we are looking south. It would be great to set up shop in the heart of @sec country. We know the GOR with the ACC is very complex…

 

Has this guy been right about anything yet? Just curious

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