May 14, 20223 yr This thread insisted upon itself as a result of another thread regarding a certain coach who absolutely defines the appellation, one Chad Morris. I'll start with Jeff Fisher, although there are plenty of others, in both college and pro ranks. Whadda ya got?
May 14, 20223 yr 17 minutes ago, SizzleChest said: Jason Garrett. Duh. I don't agree. Garrett went from Cowboy OC to Cowboy head coach. Got fired. Went back to being an OC with the Giants. Got fired. Same with Chad Morris. He worked his way up to college OC. Got head coach job at SMU. Got head coach job at Arkansas. Fired. Took a HS job.
May 14, 20223 yr 45 minutes ago, Eggo said: Kliff Kingsbury Who after 3 full seasons with (at the time of his hiring) the worst team in the NFL is now 24-24-1 in the regular season. He's been surprisingly solid, especially compared to guys like Urban, Spurrier, Holtz and Petrino. Cardinals actually just gave him a 5 year extension.
May 14, 20223 yr I posted a rebuttal towards the KK post as well, then deleted it, thinking maube I misunderstood the thread. I haven't read the Chad Morris thread. "Upward failure" could mean a couple different things. Edited May 14, 20223 yr by slorch
May 14, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, slorch said: I posted a rebuttal towards the KK post as well, then deleted it, thinking maube I misunderstood the thread. I haven't read the Chad Morris thread. "Upward failure" could mean a couple different things. I think Kingsbury is the ultimate upward failure. At least how I am understanding the term. He failed in college, fired by Tech, and then landed an NFL head coaching job. I don't think the term has anything to do with how he has done in the NFL, just that he failed in college and despite of it, moved up.
May 14, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Tex Long said: This thread insisted upon itself as a result of another thread regarding a certain coach who absolutely defines the appellation, one Chad Morris. I'll start with Jeff Fisher, although there are plenty of others, in both college and pro ranks. Whadda ya got? Jeff Fisher isn’t an upward failure. He’s someone who peaked early in his career. He turned the Oilers/Titans from terrible to very good— close SB loss and then an AFCCG. Then he lost what he had going. He kept getting chances because the NFL recycles anyone who’s had a glimmer of success but he did get close to the peak then rolled down. Edited May 14, 20223 yr by 956 Worldwide
May 14, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, longhornmatt said: I seem to have a name I want to say, but I just can't place it. Oh, wait... Beat me to it by one minute, damn it all. Oh, well:
May 14, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Eggo said: Kliff Kingsbury He took the Cards to the playoffs last year. Maybe he's a good coach but Tech is a hard place to win?
May 14, 20223 yr I don’t think anyone who’s won or played for an NCAA or NFL championship as an HC can be said to have failed upward. They can be said to fall off, but fail upward to me has to be reserved for someone who has no to modest accomplishments at every step but keeps getting moved up or remaining at the highest level. Adam Gase is one. He was good in Denver (OC) , mediocre in Chicago (OC), not good in Miami (HC), terrible for NYJ (HC).
May 14, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said: Jeff Fisher isn’t an upward failure. He’s someone who peaked early in his career. He turned the Oilers/Titans from terrible to very good— close SB loss and then an AFCCG. Then he lost what he had going. He kept getting chances because the NFL recycles anyone who’s had a glimmer of success but he did get close to the peak then rolled down. Fisher failed at not being a fuckface.
May 14, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, LTtxfan said: BOB did a pretty good job bringing Pedo State back. That being said, NFL-wise he was a mediocre HC at best and is an all-time top 5 worst GM, in spite of his relatively short track record on the latter…
May 14, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, Gigglebush said: Who after 3 full seasons with (at the time of his hiring) the worst team in the NFL is now 24-24-1 in the regular season. He's been surprisingly solid, especially compared to guys like Urban, Spurrier, Holtz and Petrino. Cardinals actually just gave him a 5 year extension. still doesn't mean he didn't fail upward to an NFL job
May 15, 20223 yr 52 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said: No black coaches mentioned. I wonder why. Must be a coincidence.
May 15, 20223 yr Todd Graham has to be ranked fairly high in any such list. If you follow his career, he consistently had what I would call acceptably mediocre "success" and somehow moved up the coaching ranks. I've never understood why anyone hired him.
May 15, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, LTtxfan said: I don't see aggy as an upward trajectory. Money and contract wise, yeah, but not football prestige.
May 15, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said: No black coaches mentioned. I wonder why. Must be a coincidence. I’ll raise you a Charlie Strong.
May 15, 20223 yr 10 hours ago, longhornmatt said: I seem to have a name I want to say, but I just can't place it. Oh, wait... Can’t believe it took that long
May 15, 20223 yr I terms of money only, but like Mack did to us, he did a wonderful job of burning the noles program to the ground on the way out of town.
May 15, 20223 yr 7 hours ago, Davis Lane said: Wrong. I keep forgetting that this actually happened. This has to be one of the most embarrassing things Aggy has ever done, and that’s saying a lot. I wonder if Jimbo was embarrassed about this.
May 15, 20223 yr 15 hours ago, LTtxfan said: Think one could make a strong argument that going from GB to Dallas is a step down.
May 15, 20223 yr 7 hours ago, Lymanward said: burt You think going from Wisconsin to Arkansas to Illinois is an upward path?
May 15, 20223 yr 9 hours ago, Underdog said: Think one could make a strong argument that going from GB to Dallas is a step down. It would be a failed argument, an an argument just the same.
May 15, 20223 yr I’d like more clarification from the op on what this is all about. Chad Morris was a very successful high school coach who moved to an effective college OC to HC at SMU where he improved every year to 2 dismal seasons at Arkansas. He’s fired and is back in high school. He was successful basically every step of the way till Arkansas and then he moved back down the ladder. I guess I don’t understand what we mean by an upward failure for him to “absolutely define the appellation.” Edited May 15, 20223 yr by formermav43
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