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1 hour ago, Hellraiser97 said:

don't get the scene with Perrin at the end - After her speech, Mon Mothma is a fugitive, public enemy #1.  Yet a year later, Perrin is just partying around Corusant at the end, banging the crime dude's wife?  They would have locked him up 5 seconds after that speech and probably exectured him shortly thereafter.  Am I missing something?  A shot of him in a jail cell makes more sense

There was a deleted scene that explains it all. Basically Perrin always knew what Mon was up to, and covered for her to the ISB. Sculden owned a broadcast channel that, when ordered, refused to cut the feed to Mothma's speech to the senate, which is why the imperials were scrambling to cut power to the senate chamber. Perrin and Sculden's wife both lost their spouses to the rebellion, which better explains them being together later.


There are videos and interviews on yt and the net, from the episode writer, and Gilroy, talking about it. Some were linked a couple of pages back in this thread. 

12 hours ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

There was a deleted scene that explains it all. Basically Perrin always knew what Mon was up to, and covered for her to the ISB. Sculden owned a broadcast channel that, when ordered, refused to cut the feed to Mothma's speech to the senate, which is why the imperials were scrambling to cut power to the senate chamber. Perrin and Sculden's wife both lost their spouses to the rebellion, which better explains them being together later.


There are videos and interviews on yt and the net, from the episode writer, and Gilroy, talking about it. Some were linked a couple of pages back in this thread. 

Thanks.  That definitely explains that part of it, but it still seems that Perrin would have been in jail.  It's not like the Empire is known for leniency.

Agreed that it's unbelievable the Empire would send Dedra to prison where she will get more enraged and has valuable intel she could dispel to anyone. It would've been nearly impossible to imprison every employee on Scariff and was easier to just nuke them all and the evidence.

[Rogue One criticism] I find it hard to believe the Empire kept no backup copies of project plans anywhere else. Later on they enacted several of those, like cloning/resurrecting Palpatine and the tracking ships at light speed. Scariff may have been the easiest place for the rebels to get the Death Star plans in a surprise attack, but the plans had to exist elsewhere. Hell, they started building its replacement immediately.

1 hour ago, Murfdogg21 said:

Agreed that it's unbelievable the Empire would send Dedra to prison where she will get more enraged and has valuable intel she could dispel to anyone. It would've been nearly impossible to imprison every employee on Scariff and was easier to just nuke them all and the evidence.

[Rogue One criticism] I find it hard to believe the Empire kept no backup copies of project plans anywhere else. Later on they enacted several of those, like cloning/resurrecting Palpatine and the tracking ships at light speed. Scariff may have been the easiest place for the rebels to get the Death Star plans in a surprise attack, but the plans had to exist elsewhere. Hell, they started building its replacement immediately.

Does it matter to the plot of Rogue One if the Empire has backup plans?  The Rebellion wasn't stealing the plans to stop the Empire from building the Death Star; they were stealing them to analyze how to exploit the weakness that Erso had shared: "any pressurized explosion to the reactor module will set off a chain reaction that will destroy the entire station."  And since the only location they knew where the plans were (again based on what Erso told Jyn in his message) was Scarif, they went to Scarif.  

I'm sure there were backup plans but Galen only knew of the ones on Scariff. I'm sure there are plans in the Emperor's tower on Coruscant. 

And the Dedra ending was what Gilroy wanted to her to have which was the begining and end her story in an Imperial block. She was raised in a kinderblock and she'll probably die in their prison. It's a better fate than just showing her gunned down on screen and he already had that for Partigas. We know how hard the imperial prison life can be and how it breaks people. Also, it helped to keep her alive because her still being alive after Krennic pushed on her head and then threw her in jail led to Kleya being hunted and almost captured. And let's be honest the real bastard of the Empire is Tarkin. He's the one who does not hesitate to blow up or murder people. Krennic only did that when it was necessary. And as we saw, he runs a leaky ship as did a lot of the ISB. 

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1 hour ago, Murfdogg21 said:

Agreed that it's unbelievable the Empire would send Dedra to prison where she will get more enraged and has valuable intel she could dispel to anyone. It would've been nearly impossible to imprison every employee on Scariff and was easier to just nuke them all and the evidence.

[Rogue One criticism] I find it hard to believe the Empire kept no backup copies of project plans anywhere else. Later on they enacted several of those, like cloning/resurrecting Palpatine and the tracking ships at light speed. Scariff may have been the easiest place for the rebels to get the Death Star plans in a surprise attack, but the plans had to exist elsewhere. Hell, they started building its replacement immediately.

They actually were already building the second one before the first was completed IIRC.  And it must use different power sources/fuel since they made such a big deal of needing all that stuff for the first one and not being able to find enough.

9 minutes ago, mdmost said:

I'm sure there were backup plans but Galen only knew of the ones on Scariff. I'm sure there are plans in the Emperor's tower on Coruscant. 

And the Dedra ending was what Gilroy wanted to her to have which was the begining and end her story in an Imperial block. She was raised in a kinderblock and she'll probably die in their prison. It's a better fate than just showing her gunned down on screen and he already had that for Partigas. We know how hard the imperial prison life can be and how it breaks people. Also, it helped to keep her alive because her still being alive after Krennic pushed on her head and then threw her in jail led to Kleya being hunted and almost captured. And let's be honest the real bastard of the Empire is Tarkin. He's the one who does not hesitate to blow up or murder people. Krennic only did that when it was necessary. And as we saw, he runs a leaky ship as did a lot of the ISB. 

If she was in solitary, it would make more sense I think.  I can see the punishment of imprisonment being worse than death, and a good bookend to her story, but she's clearly an intelligence risk with everything she knows just outside of the Death Star.  

Going to have to disagree on Krennic.  He doesn't hesitate to murder Erso's engineers.  Tarkin is certainly even more ruthless, but Krennic is keen to immediately blow up a full planet, not just Jedda city.

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Who is she going to tell the plans to that would make any difference on a prison planet that's had bolstered security after the previous breakout? All we know is she went from the interrogation room to the jail cell in ISB HQ to the prison. After the Death Star comes online in Rogue One, nothing matters about who knows because the Empire then wants everyone to know and fear them. Maybe she's on the team making widgets for Death Star 2.0. 

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Some of you guys are arguing about the Dedra thing as if the Empire's approach is consistent.  Cassian tells you multiple times throughout the entire series, particularly in season 1, that the Empire isn't exactly always thoughtful about things.

NOBODY'S LISTENING!

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17 hours ago, Hellraiser97 said:

3) Bix is a selfish cunt.  Assuming of course that baby is Cassian's, which it seems is implied, after going on several times about making choices and even scolding Cassian for not making his own choices, she denies him the right to make a choice about whether he wants to help raise his kid or keep fighting?  All because some Force healer thinks he has a destiny.  Screw her.  That was for Cassian to decide, not her.  And why go back to Mina-Rau?  She's illegal, no visa there, and while it HAD been 8 years since the Imperials came around to do an inventory when things went to shit, there's no guarantee they will wait another 8 years.  Seems she should have gone elsewhere.  But again, she's a selfish cunt so screw her.

I gotta disagree hard on that. Cassian knew he would not be able to leave Bix, and that he had work yet to be done. They were both committed to the mission. All in.

In many ways, the people that Cassian lost is what defined and fueled him. It's what makes him get up and fight the Empire and dare to hope. Between his sister, Marva, Brasso, B-2, and now Bix - Cassian has lost everything. 

2 hours ago, Hellraiser97 said:

If she was in solitary, it would make more sense I think.  I can see the punishment of imprisonment being worse than death, and a good bookend to her story, but she's clearly an intelligence risk with everything she knows just outside of the Death Star.  

And how is that information going to be (1) believed and (2) escape, when for almost everyone on Narkina it's a death sentence? She is too busy building pieces of the Death Star (the second one by that point) to discuss things. She's as good as dead from the Empire's POV, and her health and obedience are being put to good service.

(And likely, given her personality, WHY would she snitch? In her mind, she is wronged for letting information get out; in her own mind, telling people things NOW would no longer make her imprisonment unjust? Granted, that's not the Empire's concern, it's hers.)

4 hours ago, mdmost said:

Who is she going to tell the plans to that would make any difference on a prison planet that's had bolstered security after the previous breakout? All we know is she went from the interrogation room to the jail cell in ISB HQ to the prison. After the Death Star comes online in Rogue One, nothing matters about who knows because the Empire then wants everyone to know and fear them. Maybe she's on the team making widgets for Death Star 2.0. 

She knows a lot of stuff outside of the Death Star plans.  It's a prison and prisons always have corruption.  Part of the manifesto is about how hard it is for the Empire to control everything.  It's a pointless risk to let her live, much less be around anyone else.

 

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

I gotta disagree hard on that. Cassian knew he would not be able to leave Bix, and that he had work yet to be done. They were both committed to the mission. All in.

In many ways, the people that Cassian lost is what defined and fueled him. It's what makes him get up and fight the Empire and dare to hope. Between his sister, Marva, Brasso, B-2, and now Bix - Cassian has lost everything. 

Cassian had just said he was going to walk away when she left.  He had a right to know about the baby.

 

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

And how is that information going to be (1) believed and (2) escape, when for almost everyone on Narkina it's a death sentence? She is too busy building pieces of the Death Star (the second one by that point) to discuss things. She's as good as dead from the Empire's POV, and her health and obedience are being put to good service.

(And likely, given her personality, WHY would she snitch? In her mind, she is wronged for letting information get out; in her own mind, telling people things NOW would no longer make her imprisonment unjust? Granted, that's not the Empire's concern, it's hers.)

Said it above, but it's just a pointless risk.  She knows a lot of stuff that isn't about the Death Star too.  As for her motivation, she's been burned by the Empire.  She feels she did nothing wrong.  That's all the more reason to snitch.

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22 minutes ago, Hellraiser97 said:

She knows a lot of stuff outside of the Death Star plans.  It's a prison and prisons always have corruption.  Part of the manifesto is about how hard it is for the Empire to control everything.  It's a pointless risk to let her live, much less be around anyone else.

 

Cassian had just said he was going to walk away when she left.  He had a right to know about the baby.

 

Said it above, but it's just a pointless risk.  She knows a lot of stuff that isn't about the Death Star too.  As for her motivation, she's been burned by the Empire.  She feels she did nothing wrong.  That's all the more reason to snitch.

Except she's a true believer. She would never do anything to consciously harm the Empire. 

As for it being a risk, remember my previous comment about competence? You have already put more thought into where she goes than the Empire did. As for the author, there's poetic symmetry.

 

26 minutes ago, Hellraiser97 said:

She knows a lot of stuff outside of the Death Star plans.  It's a prison and prisons always have corruption.  Part of the manifesto is about how hard it is for the Empire to control everything.  It's a pointless risk to let her live, much less be around anyone else.

 

Cassian had just said he was going to walk away when she left.  He had a right to know about the baby.

 

Said it above, but it's just a pointless risk.  She knows a lot of stuff that isn't about the Death Star too.  As for her motivation, she's been burned by the Empire.  She feels she did nothing wrong.  That's all the more reason to snitch.

Don't you think that if Dedra let on that she used to be ISB to anyone in that place that she would get thrown onto the red floor at some point? Don't you think if she spoke out of turn a loyalist guard might do the same to her? I feel like you're trying a little too hard to be annoyed at something. It was a choice Gilroy made because he wanted it to be her ending to the story. 

Just watched S1 during our flight home from Italy on Saturday. I didn’t know S2 was available until just now. My plans for the night have been solidified. 

25 minutes ago, Hate said:

And what did you think?

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On 6/20/2025 at 4:52 PM, Rimbo said:

Yeah, if you're enjoying it by this point, you're in for a real treat once it starts getting good.

On 1.15 now

 

the saber/gun is pretty dope 

kanan blasting and dueling the Exquisiter dude.  Pretty dope. 
 

show is engaging. 

1 hour ago, kingkoopa6 said:

On 1.15 now

 

the saber/gun is pretty dope 

kanan blasting and dueling the Exquisiter dude.  Pretty dope. 
 

show is engaging. 

it gets even better

I think the end of S2 was what everyone thought was peak Star Wars before Andor came out. 

No spoilers. You gotta keep watching it.

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

Dude. Spoiler that shit 

Damn yall ain’t tell me Hera kinda fine. 
 

and maul low key smashed and made twin girls. 

Spoiler

 

 

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7 hours ago, kingkoopa6 said:

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This was the high point until the Twin Suns episode [disclaimer: I’m the type of Star Wars nerd who appreciates Jedi and lightsabers]

I am starving for good SW material. So I re-watched the last 4 episodes of Clone Wars. Cartoon Ahsoka is hella cool. Live action Ahsoka sucks.

Anyway the last 4 episodes are so fucking good.

You should watch Andor Season 1 and 2…and then watch Rogue 1.

2 minutes ago, Hate said:

You should watch Andor Season 1 and 2…and then watch Rogue 1.

LOL. I've done that twice. I know I'm nowhere near the number of times that you've done it.

Let me add that this is probably the 5th or 6th time that I've re-watched the last 4 CW episodes. It's so f'ing good.

2 hours ago, kingkoopa6 said:

 

Godfrey taught her that high guard style.

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Finished S2. What a great show. Just started Rogue One. 

Damn. Rebels is bad ass. Why yall not say anything before ?

 

just seen Vader take on an entire fleet. 
 

“ who is this guy?? “ - Hera 

he had his tie fighter doing crazy maneuvers!

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, kingkoopa6 said:

Damn. Rebels is bad ass. Why yall not say anything before ?

 

just seen Vader take on an entire fleet. 
 

“ who is this guy?? “ - Hera 

he had his tie fighter doing crazy maneuvers!

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, kingkoopa6 said:

Damn. Rebels is bad ass. Why yall not say anything before ?

 

We have said that many times before. The barrier to entry for a lot of people is that it is an animated series. Once they get past that bias, they can let it in and it clicks. 

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8 minutes ago, mdmost said:

We have said that many times before. The barrier to entry for a lot of people is that it is an animated series. Once they get past that bias, they can let it in and it clicks. 

Yea I know. I’m just messin. Yall def said to watch rebels. And many episodes of clone wars. that will be next  

I was one of those people, I thought, “Cartoon Star Wars? Really?” I know Star Wars is fiction, thought anime would take it to far.  But Rebels is actually really good.

We probably grew up in the 80s or before, so it kinda brings back those sat and Sun morning cartoon memories.

My kids are still too young for cartoons. they just learning how to count and clap 😂

But Rebels takes me back. Glad I finally gave it a chance.

17 hours ago, HornPhD said:

Finished S2. What a great show. Just started Rogue One. 

Welcome to the Rebellion.

You should really watch Clone Wars first. The Ahsoka timeline overlaps and starts with Clone Wars. 

13 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

You should really watch Clone Wars first. The Ahsoka timeline overlaps and starts with Clone Wars. 

Crazy you said that. Cuz in second 2 of rebels they mention clone wars and I’m like damn. Am I missin something….

and now I’m thinking about live action Ashoka and prolly will have to give that another watch after knowing more 

 

 

2 minutes ago, kingkoopa6 said:

Crazy you said that. Cuz in second 2 of rebels they mention clone wars and I’m like damn. Am I missin something….

and now I’m thinking about live action Ashoka and prolly will have to give that another watch after knowing more 

 

 

Not really. You can skip live action Ahsoka. It comes after Rebels and it sucks. 

30 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

Not really. You can skip live action Ahsoka. It comes after Rebels and it sucks. 

it's not awful, but it ain't good either

Skip at your own peril?

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18 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Skip at your own peril?

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that's definitely a reason to watch it

and enough reason for me!

On 6/24/2025 at 11:53 PM, Murfdogg21 said:

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This was the high point until the Twin Suns episode [disclaimer: I’m the type of Star Wars nerd who appreciates Jedi and lightsabers]

Agree...I mean I still have Twilight of the Apprentice as the highlight until Andor(still might honestly) but Twin Suns is amazing. The build up and the, honestly, very quick end was just so fucking perfect.

I still remember people bitching about how quick it was...they wanted some huge ass fight.

And I'm like nah...it's perfect.  A calm and resolute Obi-Wan...and a chaotic and still angry Maul?  That's how a real duel would end.

23 hours ago, kingkoopa6 said:

Damn. Rebels is bad ass. Why yall not say anything before ?

 

just seen Vader take on an entire fleet. 
 

“ who is this guy?? “ - Hera 

he had his tie fighter doing crazy maneuvers!

 

 

 

 

Good shit.  You know we told you.

23 hours ago, mdmost said:

We have said that many times before. The barrier to entry for a lot of people is that it is an animated series. Once they get past that bias, they can let it in and it clicks. 

Exactly...just give it a shot.

22 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

Not really. You can skip live action Ahsoka. It comes after Rebels and it sucks. 

Nah it's not that bad. It's not nearly on the level of Rebels but it's not horrible.

22 hours ago, Rimbo said:

it's not awful, but it ain't good either

This here.

49 minutes ago, Drew said:

And I'm like nah...it's perfect.  A calm and resolute Obi-Wan...and a chaotic and still angry Maul?  That's how a real duel would end.

And there are subtle details in that very brief fight that betray the depth, where Obi-Wan starts in his old stance, gets Maul to prepare his attack, then shifts to his NEW stance. Maul then attacks the way he always has, and Kenobi can EASILY defeat it. It shows how Maul refused to grow, while Kenobi did.

11 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

And there are subtle details in that very brief fight that betray the depth, where Obi-Wan starts in his old stance, gets Maul to prepare his attack, then shifts to his NEW stance. Maul then attacks the way he always has, and Kenobi can EASILY defeat it. It shows how Maul refused to grow, while Kenobi did.

perfectly said...

Ahsoka was fine. Nowhere near Andor, but I still enjoyed the content and am not angry they made it (like say, most of the sequel trilogy or Acolyte). It will be interesting to see how the Mando movie and Ahsoka S2 weave their stories (Thrawn, Moff Gideon, what happened to Ahsoka, Grogu, and Ezra prior to Ep. 7) into the First Order era.

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