January 11, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said: I was thinking about how dumb it was of her to leave the gun out, and how it's out of character. But is it? Dot has done dumb shit this whole time. Refusing to accept help that could EASILY bring Roy down, while constantly lying about what's going on when it's completely obvious that she's trapped in said lie. She is an absolute badass, but she's also had a dipshit streak running through the character all season. It's really not that inconsistent with her character to just give them an easy chance to kill her. I had an issue with Dot's naïveté when she went looking for Linda. Dot should have realized sometime between the wedding night and whenever she fled that Roy obviously killed Linda. There's a reason she has lived in fear for 11 years that Roy would find her. But she also believed that Roy got over it when Linda packed a bag? And really, that was her plan when she headed out on her road trip? Find Col. Markinson and put him on the stand? Still love the season and the performances by Temple/Hamm. I need to watch some peak Don Draper episodes as a palate cleanser.
January 11, 20241 yr Linda disappeared when Dot was 15. 15 yo kids, in abusive relationships, get confused about things and that sticks with them forever.
January 12, 20241 yr I had an issue with Dot's naïveté when she went looking for Linda. Dot should have realized sometime between the wedding night and whenever she fled that Roy obviously killed Linda. There's a reason she has lived in fear for 11 years that Roy would find her. But she also believed that Roy got over it when Linda packed a bag? And really, that was her plan when she headed out on her road trip? Find Col. Markinson and put him on the stand? Still love the season and the performances by Temple/Hamm. I need to watch some peak Don Draper episodes as a palate cleanser.I agree. We both shouted “get the gun!” I still have t figured out what Dot was doing driving out there alone. She just told Indira she’d be back in a couple days.
January 12, 20241 yr No CR: Would MAGA push the button on a survivalist 2nd amendment group? I don’t think so. Thus, plot hole. Granted who gives a shit about North Dakota and 3 electoral votes, but it would piss off a large segment of his voters. Dramatic license and all that, but I just don’t see the climax of the show ending in a huge FBI raid. Lots of interesting characters. Lots of interesting ways to bring it all to head.
January 12, 20241 yr On 1/10/2024 at 11:28 AM, Texzilla58 said: I think it’s a Roy vs Dot showdown. Also because Dot has mentioned twice to Roy that she was going to kill him. There have been many odd things, especially if it's supposed to be 2019 or whatever it references to the timeline at the beginning. Cameras don't really seem to exist for one, and people move around regardless with way too much ease. But they do this in all good guy/bad guy movies. I see cameras everywhere, outside of homes, inside of homes, inside of homes facing outside, in cars, on bicycle helmets, all the way down the road and at intersections, which was the same in 2019, aside from maybe dashboard cams. But this isn't a big city, so maybe that gets a pass. Roy and his son fuck too much stuff up regularly not to have visible trails all over the place. They're not discreet or quiet. The lawyer had to know he was going up to die--alone, didn't notify anybody, early evening, unarmed, to threat bargain with the devil. It was a suicide mission. Dot goes into the room and makes a call facing away from the door? Then leaves the gun outside at the well/trough. WTF. Nobody hears the shots at the trough? Anybody that watched David Koresh's compound explode knows that this isn't going to end well for them. There would be a larger army for one, and snipers. Roy just rides around on a horse, devil may care. If the son wanders into camp, they have to divide--a leader that loses his son, which then shows up blinded and disowned has to be a bad leadership sign.
January 12, 20241 yr 8 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said: No CR: Would MAGA push the button on a survivalist 2nd amendment group? I don’t think so. Thus, plot hole. Granted who gives a shit about North Dakota and 3 electoral votes, but it would piss off a large segment of his voters. Dramatic license and all that, but I just don’t see the climax of the show ending in a huge FBI raid. Lots of interesting characters. Lots of interesting ways to bring it all to head. Yeah, in 2019 Roy Tillman is getting invited to the White House and given a Medal of Honor. Probably being recruited as a running mate.
January 12, 20241 yr Popular Post 2 hours ago, Scary Stranger said: Please stop Orange Man Bad-ing up the thread. Cloak room is that way. There are obvious political overtones to this show. Why should we have to dance around that in a thread about the show?
January 12, 20241 yr 9 hours ago, Mdhorn said: Also because Dot has mentioned twice to Roy that she was going to kill him. There have been many odd things, especially if it's supposed to be 2019 or whatever it references to the timeline at the beginning. Cameras don't really seem to exist for one, and people move around regardless with way too much ease. But they do this in all good guy/bad guy movies. I see cameras everywhere, outside of homes, inside of homes, inside of homes facing outside, in cars, on bicycle helmets, all the way down the road and at intersections, which was the same in 2019, aside from maybe dashboard cams. But this isn't a big city, so maybe that gets a pass. Roy and his son fuck too much stuff up regularly not to have visible trails all over the place. They're not discreet or quiet. The lawyer had to know he was going up to die--alone, didn't notify anybody, early evening, unarmed, to threat bargain with the devil. It was a suicide mission. Dot goes into the room and makes a call facing away from the door? Then leaves the gun outside at the well/trough. WTF. Nobody hears the shots at the trough? Anybody that watched David Koresh's compound explode knows that this isn't going to end well for them. There would be a larger army for one, and snipers. Roy just rides around on a horse, devil may care. If the son wanders into camp, they have to divide--a leader that loses his son, which then shows up blinded and disowned has to be a bad leadership sign. As someone who lives in the rural Midwest and did so in 2019, surveillance cameras still aren't super common in general - with a couple of exceptions: 1) trail cams for hunting, and 2) the ones paranoid fucks put up on their property. The Tillman ranch would likely have them for both purposes in 2019.
January 12, 20241 yr 3 hours ago, Scary Stranger said: Please stop Orange Man Bad-ing up the thread. Cloak room is that way. Please stop being a little bitch.
January 12, 20241 yr 14 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said: No CR: Would MAGA push the button on a survivalist 2nd amendment group? I don’t think so. Thus, plot hole. Granted who gives a shit about North Dakota and 3 electoral votes, but it would piss off a large segment of his voters. Dramatic license and all that, but I just don’t see the climax of the show ending in a huge FBI raid. Lots of interesting characters. Lots of interesting ways to bring it all to head. But it's a kidnapping situation with Dot. It's not just going to get guns from Roy. That's what the FBI agents wanted by trying to flip Dot. But Lorraine called in the cavalry because Dot was kidnapped. It's interesting because Roy even admits this is happening because someone with money can make the FBI and government backed SWAT appear. If anything, this plays 100% into what he said would happen to his flock with the evil government coming to take away their freedom. Edited January 12, 20241 yr by mdmost
January 12, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, Mdhorn said: Cameras don't really seem to exist for one, and people move around regardless with way too much ease. But they do this in all good guy/bad guy movies. I see cameras everywhere, outside of homes, inside of homes, inside of homes facing outside, in cars, on bicycle helmets, all the way down the road and at intersections, which was the same in 2019, aside from maybe dashboard cams. But this isn't a big city, so maybe that gets a pass. do you live in a british crime drama?
January 12, 20241 yr 6 hours ago, Scary Stranger said: Please stop Orange Man Bad-ing up the thread. Cloak room is that way.
January 12, 20241 yr But it's a kidnapping situation with Dot. It's not just going to get guns from Roy. That's what the FBI agents wanted by trying to flip Dot. But Lorraine called in the cavalry because Dot was kidnapped. It's interesting because Roy even admits this is happening because someone with money can make the FBI and government backed SWAT appear. If anything, this plays 100% into what he said would happen to his flock with the evil government coming to take away their freedom. Roys not clairvoyant; this is their gospel. They are built on the lore of Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc. same mentality as jim jones and heavens gate.
January 13, 20241 yr Related to Waco, Ruby Ridge, et al, Roy mentioned Ammon and LaVoy during his call-to-arms scene: Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge - Wikipedia Edited January 13, 20241 yr by D_Goose
January 13, 20241 yr 11 hours ago, henrygandorf said: do you live in a british crime drama? Ha! Can't we all watch a live or 48 hour video feed from every side of our homes on our cell phones now days? I can't imagine having an armed militia and all that land and not being able to monitor my property. But I can't imagine living in a place you don't have to lock every window and door either. Edit: We live off Bladensburg Road--the road the British marched up during the War of 1812 and defeated the colonists on their way to burning the capitol and the White House in 1814. So maybe it's a little like a British crime drama. Edited January 13, 20241 yr by Mdhorn
January 15, 20241 yr Officer Olmstead is welcome to pull over me over . My goodness. Also a damn good actress. Nails the Minnesota accent.
January 17, 20241 yr Spoiler An eternal assassin is killed by old fashioned Minnesota kindness. I would have preferred ending the season in the super smug, self satisfied prison scene ending. The showdown was low budget, but logical. Dudes with Remington repeating rifles and no cover are going to get mowed down by every SWAT team. Again, it’s more interesting season centered around Munch. Jon Hamm and Gator just get in the way. Juno Temple is fine, but nothing can erase the Home Alone episode. Better than Seasons 3 and 4, but Hawley still looking for his fastball.
January 17, 20241 yr Wayne was cracking me up. Happy with the ending. Great season. Combination of Minnesota kindness and getting his egg fried. I’m fine with the ending and enjoyed this season.
January 17, 20241 yr We enjoyed the ending. I didn’t think the sin eater would be neutralized by the sweetness and strength of Dot.I guess Whit never watched Justified to know about the 21 foot rule. He was pretty stupid. And Lorraine was perfect at her prison visit.
January 17, 20241 yr It was weird how they wrapped it up in about 20 minutes. I did not expect that they would use the other 40 having the sineater over for chili, but then again, I'm not as nice as Dot and Wayne.
January 17, 20241 yr dammit winston pull the fucking trigger. dot shooting him should’ve been the cliffhanger at the end of the last episode.
January 17, 20241 yr I was screaming at the Trooper "PULL THE FUCKING TRIGGER!!!" Glad that Lorraine's debt collection business finally came in handy for the boys in Cellblock A. And C and D.
January 17, 20241 yr I like that finale. We got a 40 minute epilogue. Season 2 did the same. ETA Texans would be appalled by what northerners call "chili." The Lyons said a Catholic prayer before dinner. Dot offering Munch the biscuit was her offering him Communion. Edited January 17, 20241 yr by Parliament
January 17, 20241 yr I was sure that the final 40 minutes were going to be filled in with "The Orange Idiot" pardoning Roy and him coming after Dot's family.
January 17, 20241 yr So Munch munched. Almost all of the Ruby Ridge angle was a letdown - other than the killings of Lorraine's lawyer and Whit. Predicted a Whit/Roy showdown just didn't think Whit would be so damn stupid. Dot with a rifle was not interesting. Lorraine has one decent scene, once again, essentially a no-show. Gator's fucking sorry! Not good enough. Not even close. Yeah, tie him to a tree blind, but surround him with boiling hot springs. Or Snatch-caliber hungry pigs. Gator wakes up, eyes obviously cut out, feels around and finds he has been handcuffed to two-foot thick tree and is given a ten-inch hacksaw. Fuck Gator. Missed opportunities: Roy jumps accross table for Lorraine, but her designated inmates drag him screaming down the hall - screaming. They're saying, "come on, Sweetie" etc. Wayne puts something in Munch's orange drink, he gets groggy, then angry, begins wreaking havoc, daughter puts him away, gun preferred, but big knife, garrote would have worked. Or Wayne finally steps up. They feed Munch something really nasty, like Drano. Roy is taken to hospital in Ambulance, kills its crew, escapes and disappears completely, uniquely, for one year, returning for final showdown at Dot's house. Good season, but I think the writers got a bit lazy, landed other gigs, etc. Wouldn't be surprised if unlike previous seasons, they continued this storyline - Roy cultists help him escape via fake suicide. Edited January 17, 20241 yr by Irish Wrist Watch
January 17, 20241 yr Whit was a fucking idiot most of the season. Nice guy but not smart. Dot was going to put Roy down but Whit stopped her and then failed to secure Roy. Then chased him alone when he could have taken a couple swat guys. Goes into a dugout alone. Then fails to pull the trigger. Would have been justified. But he was essentially a traffic cop. It’s left unsaid what happens with Roy. Could he get out? Will he escape somehow? He’ll be beaten senseless in jail. I wanted him dead. Like Indira in her new gig with Lorraine. And love Dot doting on her daughter, finding a role running the business, and offering love to a thing that she formerly tried to kill. Great season. Wrap
January 17, 20241 yr A Man could write a few solid paragraphs comparing and contrasting the medieval practice of Sin Eating with contemporary practices of consumer debt, debt consolidation, sales of debt, profiting from others' debts, etc.
January 17, 20241 yr We never saw what happened to a man. Perhaps he is working the phones for Lorraine.
January 17, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Parliament said: I like that finale. We got a 40 minute epilogue. Season 2 did the same. ETA Texans would be appalled by what northerners call "chili." The Lyons said a Catholic prayer before dinner. Dot offering Munch the biscuit was her offering him Communion. They'd like mine (and others like it) if they could move past the provincialism/regional bias and accept that words can have different meanings to describe a relatively similar thing, and recipes exist to be modified, and that I don't really care what some lady in San Antonio in 1837 called "chili". But I'm pretty sure Wayne Lyon's chili sucked. Edited January 17, 20241 yr by Al_4_ISU
January 17, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Texzilla58 said: Whit was a fucking idiot most of the season. Nice guy but not smart. Dot was going to put Roy down but Whit stopped her and then failed to secure Roy. Then chased him alone when he could have taken a couple swat guys. Goes into a dugout alone. Then fails to pull the trigger. Would have been justified. But he was essentially a traffic cop. It’s left unsaid what happens with Roy. Could he get out? Will he escape somehow? He’ll be beaten senseless in jail. I wanted him dead. Like Indira in her new gig with Lorraine. And love Dot doting on her daughter, finding a role running the business, and offering love to a thing that she formerly tried to kill. Great season. Wrap Roy's getting passed around that prison like a bicycle, which is the perfect result for him. So much more deserved than being killed painfully. I loved the whole ending other than I wanted maybe a little more on Indira.
January 17, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Al_4_ISU said: They'd like mine (and others like it) if they could move past the provincialism/regional bias and accept that words can have different meanings to describe a relatively similar thing, and recipes exist to be modified, and that I don't really care what some lady in San Antonio in 1837 called "chili". But I'm pretty sure Wayne Lyon's chili sucked. When he said he went a little crazy on the spices I presumed that meant he put like 1 1/2 tbsp total of any kind of spice, instead of his usual 1 tbsp.
January 17, 20241 yr Munch holding and examining the bottle of "pop" really made me laugh.The little cheers Wayne gave him after handing him the bottle cracked me up.
January 17, 20241 yr 53 minutes ago, TornACL said: When he said he went a little crazy on the spices I presumed that meant he put like 1 1/2 tbsp total of any kind of spice, instead of his usual 1 tbsp. I figured he got a little black pepper or cumin in there. God forbid. 1 hour ago, nolongerU2horn said: There was Vaseline in that pack of cigs Nah. Roy's getting it dry.
January 17, 20241 yr 24 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said: I figured he got a little black pepper or cumin in there. God forbid. Definitely black pepper.
January 17, 20241 yr Do they really eat chili with biscuits or were they just symbolic as mentioned above?
January 18, 20241 yr 9 hours ago, Lat22 said: Roy's intestines would have been splattered all over the porch behind him. 9 hours ago, Texzilla58 said: Whit was a fucking idiot most of the season. Nice guy but not smart. Dot was going to put Roy down but Whit stopped her and then failed to secure Roy. Then chased him alone when he could have taken a couple swat guys. Goes into a dugout alone. Then fails to pull the trigger. Would have been justified. But he was essentially a traffic cop. It’s left unsaid what happens with Roy. Could he get out? Will he escape somehow? He’ll be beaten senseless in jail. I wanted him dead. Spoiler The sheriff limps off and is soon fighting hand to hand combat and getting stronger, despite the belly shot. Afterwards, his blind kid is sitting there pontificating with Dot, despite several dead bodies on the property that he most likely had a hand with. Whit is one of the few fighting alongside the agents that doesn't wear a jacket, goes after Roy and fires presumably into the ground, despite Roy being the only thing in front of him and closing fast. I was for him firing into Roy's shoulder at any time prior, so he'd drop the knife but whatever. Then Roy still goes to prison. Edited January 18, 20241 yr by Mdhorn
January 18, 20241 yr When he said he went a little crazy on the spices I presumed that meant he put like 1 1/2 tbsp total of any kind of spice, instead of his usual 1 tbsp. Celery salt, paprika, half envelope of French’s chili-o seasoning.
January 18, 20241 yr As said the biscuits were symbolic of a communion wafer, full of Dot’s love of humanity. That being said, any homemade bread, biscuit, cornbread, tortillas goes with chili. I like jalapeño cheddar biscuits with chili.
January 18, 20241 yr A man becomes human at the end, drinking an orange soda and eating biscuits and chili. Edit: It's like they have Frankenstein over for dinner. Edited January 18, 20241 yr by Mdhorn
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