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sorry to see this friends

there is no way to solve this problem in America. that ship has sailed. sorry, i know it sucks to hear but its been obvious for a long time now.

you can say the same for healthcare, drugs, justice reform, and so many other things in America. America is a country with no functional leadership and cannot solve any problems. it is what it is. 

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4 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Fortifying schools means large govt contracts for donors. Catering to the gun nuts is a locked-in election day vote.  The GOP has made their decisions and trying to shame them is pointless.

What is needed is that Dem candidates just need to paint the GOP with the dead's blood. The tragic Uvalde deaths are owned by Abbott. Don't back down from that message. Don't blame access to guns or policies. Blame the politician to force some voters to understand what they're doing with their gop vote.

Oh I agree the reason it's being deployed as a talking point is the money grab aspect of it.  Just another opportunity for these parasites to make their buddies a little richer.

I guess it's just a little jarring how the meme's deployment in this instant is so incongruent with the facts.  Uvalde is an example of why the idea doesn't work.

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"I'm willing to say I'm sorry that it happened"??? Is he saying the quiet part out loud here?

Seen a bunch of crazy stats in the last day, but I heard one earlier that was, I think, the US has had 57 times the number of school shootings since 2009 than the rest of the world combined. Not 57%, 57 TIMES the rest of the world. 

18 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

 

we've had guns forever.  just like slavery, doctors using cocaine and heroin to treat depression, and smoking on airplanes.

republicans decided that we were done evolving as a society in 1950.

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42 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not entirely convinced Candace isn't an XY, if you get my drift.

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5 minutes ago, staboner said:

sorry to see this friends

there is no way to solve this problem in America. that ship has sailed. sorry, i know it sucks to hear but its been obvious for a long time now.

you can say the same for healthcare, drugs, justice reform, and so many other things in America. America is a country with no functional leadership and cannot solve any problems. it is what it is. 

part of the blame is on the leadership.  the other part is the structure.  the electoral college, uneven congressional representation, and composition of the senate (not to mention the senate voting rules) will never allow change. 

as long as we allow the minority to rule, we as a nation are fucked.

as long as half the politicians run on obstruction and pwning the libs, we as a nation are fucked.

as long as half the politicians run on policy and progress and the other half runs on winning elections and holding onto power, we as a nation are fucked.

If Uvalde law enforcement was less than stellar, it's unfortunate, because while it may not have saved than many more lives with certainty, the Republicans will use that as misdirection for an argument why better armed protection at schools (never mind that Texas wants to defund public schools as much as possible) is one of the solutions that further makes any reasonable gun control completely unnecessary.

31 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I don't understand why some of you don't unfriend or at least ignore some of your FB friends. You don't mind posting on this thread about what assholes they are but you refuse to take a stance in real life, as I assume it will cause friction in your life.

You don't have to put people on blast but it's ok to cut people out of your life, even just virtually. If they have a problem with that, that's their problem.

I have friends that I probably disagree with politically but I would not stand around and listen to their crazy talk either in person or online. 

The ones I went after are people that I know but not friends with on FB.  They were commenting on a friends post.  

2 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

This guy is definitely on something. 

 

This shit is just so patently ridiculous.  Other rich western countries have rap music, video games, and don't have God in their classroom.  Based on these standards its everyone else who should be massacring each other weekly while the US is an island of peace and equanimity.  

34 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Thanks, Chuck! I guess we can fix this if we show up and vote in a democratic president, house and senate, right? Wait…wut?! Worthless fucking people. 

... for decades while we wait on 40 year old fedsoc assholes to get washed out of the courts

He was in the classroom for 30 minutes before he could be neutralized. No one can do shit to stop anyone with an automatic rifle but hey let’s throw hands up and say oh well nothing can be done. 

12 minutes ago, South Austin said:

If Uvalde law enforcement was less than stellar, it's unfortunate, because while it may not have saved than many more lives with certainty, the Republicans will use that as misdirection for an argument why better armed protection at schools (never mind that Texas wants to defund public schools as much as possible) is one of the solutions that further makes any reasonable gun control completely unnecessary.

The story/timeline comes across as slightly odd. The local police responded to a crash outside the school and found the murderer not yet inside the school. Then the murderer shot 2 cops and then got into the building and the tragedy unfolded further.

If cops (at least 2 & most likely more) on the scene cannot stop a shooter from getting into the school, I really question what can be done in terms of armed personnel.

 

 

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The story/timeline comes across as slightly odd. The local police responded to a crash outside the school and found the murderer not yet inside the school. Then the murderer shot 2 cops and then got into the building and the tragedy unfolded further.

If cops (at least 2 & most likely more) on the scene cannot stop a shooter from getting into the school, I really question what can be done in terms of armed personnel.

 

 

The next messaging will be that the local PD guys were out gunned.  The police will now need fully automatic ARs with grenade launchers.  

5 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The story/timeline comes across as slightly odd. The local police responded to a crash outside the school and found the murderer not yet inside the school. Then the murderer shot 2 cops and then got into the building and the tragedy unfolded further.

If cops (at least 2 & most likely more) on the scene cannot stop a shooter from getting into the school, I really question what can be done in terms of armed personnel.

 

 

Narrator: very little could be done.

If you have a single armed resource officer in a school, you just make him the first target of your rampage. My sons high school had 2800 kids and I can’t even count how many rooms, entry doors, corridors, etc that even a small army of resource officers would fail to adequately cover. Hardening the target is an absolute smoke screen. 

45 minutes ago, Starfleet Command said:

It seems like the response from conservatives has coalesced to a degree around the idea of "soft targets."  That the real solution is to eliminate soft targets by fortifying all of our schools.  However, in this instance there were three cops who had an opportunity to stop the shooter but were flat out too fucking scared to stop him.  Three cops vs one high school kid.  Do the "soft target" folks plan on deploying the US Army to all of our schools because our cops clearly aren't up to the task even after being given every toy they could possibly want for decades.

Keep in mind that, as was the case with the Parkland shooting, we can't even discipline cops for behaving cowardly in these situations.

Yup.  Here is the armed Pakland security guard (former cop) hiding outside in the shadows while kids were getting slaughtered.   But if we just armed all the 60yr teachers....

 

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2 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The story/timeline comes across as slightly odd. The local police responded to a crash outside the school and found the murderer not yet inside the school. Then the murderer shot 2 cops and then got into the building and the tragedy unfolded further.

If cops (at least 2 & most likely more) on the scene cannot stop a shooter from getting into the school, I really question what can be done in terms of armed personnel.

That, and according to the post above you he was in the school for THIRTY MINUTES before he was neutralized.  Christ, I'm surprised he didn't kill more people.

2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

That, and according to the post above you he was in the school for THIRTY MINUTES before he was neutralized.  Christ, I'm surprised he didn't kill more people.

One flaw in a fortified school is that you allow a shooter to barricade themselves in the school, or building, with the victims.

Yep, it's gotta be the rap music, except it was the rock music before it was the rap music:

Tipper Gore PMRC hearing

The Right is going to toss out any theory or reason other than gun control. Whether they believe the other reasons or not. It's all about misdirection and in some ways the crazier the theory, the better for the gun lobby.

43 minutes ago, staboner said:

sorry to see this friends

there is no way to solve this problem in America. that ship has sailed. sorry, i know it sucks to hear but its been obvious for a long time now.

you can say the same for healthcare, drugs, justice reform, and so many other things in America. America is a country with no functional leadership and cannot solve any problems. it is what it is. 

So, tell me about Australia.   I think I could pick up the language quickly enough. 

4 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Narrator: very little could be done.

If you have a single armed resource officer in a school, you just make him the first target of your rampage. My sons high school had 2800 kids and I can’t even count how many rooms, entry doors, corridors, etc that even a small army of resource officers would fail to adequately cover. Hardening the target is an absolute smoke screen. 

yep, and you give him a pistol.  but then the next school shooter comes and guns him down first, which (a) makes that job about the least appealing since assistant crack whore, and (b) gives reason to arm him up with something bigger and more dangerous (to him and everyone around him).

back to the jim jefferies bit (which should be required viewing) - "you have these guys coming in with assault rifles spraying bullets everywhere, and then you have...kevin.  you know how much security guards make in the u.s.?  about $16 an hour.  not a lot of wriggle room to be a fucking hero."

3 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

yep, and you give him a pistol.  but then the next school shooter comes and guns him down first, which (a) makes that job about the least appealing since assistant crack whore, and (b) gives reason to arm him up with something bigger and more dangerous (to him and everyone around him).

back to the jim jefferies bit (which should be required viewing) - "you have these guys coming in with assault rifles spraying bullets everywhere, and then you have...kevin.  you know how much security guards make in the u.s.?  about $16 an hour.  not a lot of wriggle room to be a fucking hero."

And we expect Kevin to give a bigger fuck about defending kids than actual police officers who have wilted in a couple of these now. 

That Tuberville quote, and this, are what I meant:

 

They fucking love this. They've made school shootings into a rally-the-base political issue. Every time a school shooting happens they manage to convince millions of Americans that it's actually morally better to behave like a sociopath to own the libs than to give a fuck about the dead kids, because giving a fuck about the dead kids would mean siding with the libs, who are evil. 

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It comes down to people that care more about cradling their guns than saving children's lives. Most of them won't publicly admit but a few do. There are several Surly posters that used to talk about that but now they just ignore these threads.

This Greg Abbott press conference is genuinely filling me with a pure sense of rage. I hope every person sitting at that table feels nothing but misery for the rest of time. 

10 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The Right is going to toss out any theory or reason other than gun control. Whether they believe the other reasons or not. It's all about misdirection and in some ways the crazier the theory, the better for the gun lobby.

It’s like USC pretending they didn’t tamper and having kids go on other visits first. They don’t have to do it, but it looks better. No one is really going to do anything about the shootings. But they definitely need to say something. Being crazy about it just helps muddy the waters more. 

Was that Beto interrupting hot wheels at the press conference just now? I don’t have sound but can see it…

Yes, it was. And it was awesome.
2 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

Beto just crashed the news conference and escorted out by cops

freedom of speech!!!!!!!

maybe Beto should lead thousands of people to storm the state capitol and threaten law makers. it'll be legitimate political discourse.

This PC is such a farce.  We won't mention guns.  Think of the children!  It's a mental health issue! Thoughts and prayers!  It's not political!

Good on Beto for standing up.  He's not a tough guy but I bet he'd kick Cruz' and Goeb's ass in a minute.

 

Pretty sure that was the Uvalde mayor yelling at Beto and telling them to leave.

I would think Uvalde wouldn't have too much patience with Abbott and Patrick. Heavy Dem county.

EDIT: There are several GOP officials in Uvalde County and I imagine they will kiss up to Abbott.

I was 100% wrong about Uvalde being Dem. It went ~55% Trump in 2020 and 2016.  My bad with posting wrong info.

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Ok, it’s a mental health issue. You guys gonna invest in that? Of course not. 

2 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Who's the obese guy in the walker who calls Beto a sick son of bitch?

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Greg Abbott is ok with kids being shot in school. He's ok with kids being sex trafficked in state foster care. He's ok with kids freezing to death. Greg Abbott is a child killer.

4 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Cruz looks like a bitch

1 minute ago, 4th&Five said:

Ok, it’s a mental health issue. You guys gonna invest in that? Of course not. 

They are literally in the midst of siphoning funds from DHHS to fund border theatrics. 

maybe if people start shooting fetuses, republicans will do something. 

Civility police are back out in force. 

3 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Pretty sure that was the Uvalde mayor yelling at Beto and telling them to leave.

He can go fuck himself.

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11 minutes ago, sidis said:

This Greg Abbott press conference is genuinely filling me with a pure sense of rage. I hope every person sitting at that table feels nothing but misery for the rest of time. 

The tree should've finished the job. 

4 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Pretty sure that was the Uvalde mayor yelling at Beto and telling them to leave.

Yep and he has already came out and said it is a mental health issue not a gun issue. 

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