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s2 is insanely good television. just watch it.

Yep. Much less yelling, and you get episodes like Forks that are slower, quieter, and develop a great character arc.
But Fishes will make you clench from beginning to end.


I didn’t love Season 3 but Season 2 is perfection. “Fishes” gets a lot of love but “Forks” is the best episode of TV I saw in 2023. Phenomenal.
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On 6/12/2025 at 4:41 PM, South Austin said:

But Fishes will make you clench from beginning to end.

 

Less insanity making than Fishes.

I have never seen insanity like I did in Fishes. Always expected the uplifting cheerful conclusion but it just went more crazy. Talk about subverting your expectations. 

Shame on me not even noticing it was JLC til the end with the face to face with Carmy.

Y’all are fortunate. Every single damned Christmas gathering was packed with tension after I hit junior high. 

My grandmother was a JLC type. She wouldn’t drive her car through the living room, but she took bad news very poorly. Usually sobbing and the worst guilt trip you can imagine. The family would usually wait until the last few minutes of the Christmas gathering and tell her bad news. Almost always people moving 

Again, this show speaks to me like few others can. 

Anticipating S4 as my kid is in a scene with Carmy as an extra. My buddy owns as busy a restaurant as I've ever seen and as a spectator fan I will sit by the kitchen waiting on food and watch 20 staff bounce around like seemingly chaotic maniacs, plus I have a huge crush on one of his managers (she looks like Emmy Rossum from Shameless).

She tells me she watches The Bear to calm her nerves.

I listened to y'all and followed through on S1E8 tonight.  Damn, that hit different.

Ready for S2.  Y'all promised greatness.  LOL

15 hours ago, Iceman said:

I listened to y'all and followed through on S1E8 tonight.  Damn, that hit different.

Ready for S2.  Y'all promised greatness.  LOL

You’re gonna start rooting for them, and you’ll get invested. 

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i started my full rewatch this weekend to coincide with s4 drop.

season 1 sydney is fucking rough. the stuttering, the "um's", the entitlement when all she's done her whole career is fuck shit up. i fear it will only get worse, but she keeps winning awards. 

if she isn't like this in any other role, i suppose she made a choice and that it's great acting. i don't think she's earned the right as an actor to make bold choices. writers make choices. actors hit their mark and tell the truth.

Sydney didn't grate on me like she did others, but she wasn't my favorite character.  I've never seen her in anything else so have no comparison.  I recall that she was more tolerable in Season 2.

I did love her and Richie going at each other in Review, culminating in her stabbing Richie in the ass.

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Doing a rewatch in anticipation of season 4. “Fishes” still gives me PTSD

Strong to quite strong opener. Happy to be back in this world with these people.
 

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The Computer steals the early scenes. I didn’t have the Billions showrunner acting on a hit show on my bingo card. 
 

Richie saving the day with his Nonnegotiables made me audibly cheer. 

 

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only watched S4E1 last night, but--unless they are just hired as short time consultants--there's no way they could afford them

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after only s3 + s4 ep1, “the computer” is one of my least favorite characters on the show.

is his schtick supposed to be funny? his nickname is horrible and unfunny, and platt is way better as a solo act. their quick exchanges play like a bad sorkin ripoff. 

Watched the first two tonight and it’s off to a better start than S3 in my opinion.

(Somebody remind me who Francine is.)

Three episodes into the new season. It’s pretty fucking terrible, in my opinion. They’re just recycling the same stories over and over.

Hulu about to sell me a no ads bullshit

 

shit

piss

The last time my son was in town, he left his Hulu account logged into my Xbox, so I’m using that because mine has ads. You can tell where the ads are placed from the slight pause at the end of a scene, and yeah it happens often. 

I have the Disney/hulu/espn+ bundle.  I’ve had it since the first offered it.   I’ve never seen commercials like this.  Almost unwatchable 

im not giving these fucking leeches even more tho.  

I have the Disney Hulu ESPN bundle and I see no ads

8 hours ago, C-Man said:

Watched the first two tonight and it’s off to a better start than S3 in my opinion.

(Somebody remind me who Francine is.)

Francie Fak. Sugar and Francie have some sort of long-running feud that has been alluded to many times but never explained. They've never actually shown Francie, either

The last time my son was in town, he left his Hulu account logged into my Xbox, so I’m using that because mine has ads. You can tell where the ads are placed from the slight pause at the end of a scene, and yeah it happens often. 


This is how the premiere was. No ads.

I have the Disney/hulu/espn+ bundle.  I’ve had it since the first offered it.   I’ve never seen commercials like this.  Almost unwatchable 
im not giving these fucking leeches even more tho.  

I have the Disney Hulu ESPN bundle and I see no ads


I have the Hulu+Disney+ESPN bundle as well and got ads in the second episode.

I don't derail a thread teetering on the edge of a bridge, but the Disney+ / Hulu / ESPN+ makes it pretty tough to get Hulu ad free. I think I had to cancel the bundle on Disney + and the resubscribe on Hulu's platform and select no ads. 

Watching The Bear with ads would suck. 

1 hour ago, nolongerU2horn said:

I have the Disney Hulu ESPN bundle and I see no ads

Francie Fak. Sugar and Francie have some sort of long-running feud that has been alluded to many times but never explained. They've never actually shown Francie, either

I looked it up. Apparently, Brie Larson (yes, please) is playing Francine and will appear in Episode 7 or thereabouts.

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

I looked it up. Apparently, Brie Larson (yes, please) is playing Francine and will appear in Episode 7 or thereabouts.

Ha. Spoiler alert. 
 

it’s not just the number of ads it’s also the placement. They interrupt scenes. Important scenes. 

I got zero ads watching Andor with the bundle, then watched 4 episodes of the bear last night, I think the total runtime came out to 2 hours, took well over 3 to watch it.   Each episode had at least 5 ~2 2-minute ad breaks.   Sometimes they'd pop up mid-sentence.  

Here is the current pricing

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13 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

I have the Disney/hulu/espn+ bundle.  I’ve had it since the first offered it.   I’ve never seen commercials like this.  Almost unwatchable 

im not giving these fucking leeches even more tho.  

I just switched it to Hulu/HBO Max/Disney+ with no ads and it was cheaper than doing with ESPN+ and paying for Max.

Just realized I never finished S3. Hulu says I only watched 2, got some binging to do 

30 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

Just realized I never finished S3. Hulu says I only watched 2, got some binging to do 

Watch Napkins, and you might be good. 

This shit sucks. Really sad because when this show is at its best it’s great. It’s turning into Orange is the New Black where the whole show became about minutiae about the secondary characters.  

It’s still very wordy and has gotten cheesier and more predictable but I like these people and am enjoying the show. Just finished S4 E7.

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I’m about to start 4.7.   I still really enjoy it.   Well minus the ads 

The music dominates too much. The show feels like a music video in the first few episodes. Have faith in your dialogue and actors.

I fell asleep when Syd was getting her hair done.

The show is limping.

The entire point of this season appears to be to get Ayo Edebiri another Emmy. 

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3 hours ago, Dr. Teeth said:

The entire point of this season appears to be to get Ayo Edebiri another Emmy. 

um, well…i, uh, yeah, if that’s what…you know, um, ends up, like, um happening, then…you know, well, um, that’s a bummer. um. 

um, well…i, uh, yeah, if that’s what…you know, um, ends up, like, um happening, then…you know, well, um, that’s a bummer. um. 

No shit. I was watching last night and I barked at the tv “just fucking spit it out already” as she was trying to explain her two job opportunities as a sleepover.
I got zero ads watching Andor with the bundle, then watched 4 episodes of the bear last night, I think the total runtime came out to 2 hours, took well over 3 to watch it.   Each episode had at least 5 ~2 2-minute ad breaks.   Sometimes they'd pop up mid-sentence.  
Here is the current pricing
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I don’t get ads with Disney, never have. Have ads with Hulu and ESPN+ (I think).

Somehow, the ease with which this discussion has switched to streaming tips indicates to me the detioration of the show. The digression is not drowned out by enthused observations. 

The fuck you-fuck you arguments last season became unbearable (no pun intended). The creator now loves having all disagreements immediately become loud voices speaking at the same time. It's not unrealistic but it isn't ubiquitous either. This becomes annoying rather than fresh.

The quiet moments just about always are comprised of interminable moments of a character groping for words. Again, not unrealistic but not ubiquitous and now annoying. @Jimbaround has it right: spit it out already! 

Carm running all the way to Claire's to say something and then fumbling for ten minutes is, IMHO, a fumbled opportunity. For once, somebody knows what they want to say to the extent that they can't wait to say it. How nice of a change in style and how appropriate to the moment would it be if Carm blurts it out immediately? Take the dialogue from there. 

I'll watch the rest of the season. The special for the young woman who wanted their classic sandwich and to see snow in Chicago is the only trace this season of the magic created early on when the staff learns to do new jobs in a real restaurant. No, I'll add Carm telling Mike what a restaurant is as he makes sauce in their home. But that's about it so far for me anyway.

Lastly, this is not a condemnation of those who still love the show. That's great. Truly.

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12 hours ago, Dr. Teeth said:

The entire point of this season appears to be to get Ayo Edebiri another Emmy. 

And she will get it 

12 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

The music dominates too much.

I was just thinking "this music is fucking perfect."

6 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

This show has turned into This is Us.

The wedding had some good dialogue, but the whole scene under the table was just nauseating. Truly insists upon itself.

For those that have had the misfortune of watching a Zach Braff movie, I think this season compares to any one of them. Every situation is way too dramatic and serious. There is no joy in the show outside of the under the table scene. I have no clue what they are doing with Carmine’s character, which might be good for the writers if he were to leave the restaurant. He is just a shadow of his former self and just mopes around. Richie’s line about him was great but odd that the writers didn’t know that they were actually summarizing their killing that character with the joke. 
 

And without spoilers, my biggest gripe is that the writers took the wrong lessons from why people loved Forks and Honeydew, two of my favorite episodes of TV in the last 5 years. It wasn’t the supporting characters. It was the journeys of Marcus and Richie. 

The show peaked with season 2. It happens. It's just been a bit of a letdown, not bad, just not as good, so somewhat disappointing. I binged through the first two seasons, but I'll stop after an episode or two now and take my time returning to it.

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