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Just saw on the twitters. Early reports are 42 dead. Horrific to the nth degree.

I wonder how much the Mexican Drug Lords collected from each of those human trafficking victims? $5,000 per?

I can recall this happening several times in the past but this may be the worst.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also thought triangle shirtwaist was some new Surly euphemism for?  Obv had not heard of that or don't remember.

14 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

I'm not sure that's a great comparison. This happens fairly frequently when illegal aliens are being smuggled and conditions deteriorate without the trafficker knowing (or giving a shit). I know there was a story like this in the UK I believe not too long ago.

Triangle Shirtwaist was a laundry list of safety hazards - some of them intentional to produce sweatshop working conditions. Stories like this are an unfortunate side effect of what is an inherently dangerous practice where the participants are pretty aware that there is a ton of risk involved. 

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2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I'm not sure that's a great comparison. This happens fairly frequently when illegal aliens are being smuggled and conditions deteriorate without the trafficker knowing (or giving a shit). I know there was a story like this in the UK I believe not too long ago.

Triangle Shirtwaist was a laundry list of safety hazards - some of them intentional to produce sweatshop working conditions. Stories like this are an unfortunate side effect of what is an inherently dangerous practice where the participants are pretty aware that there is a ton of risk involved. 

Oh yeah

I don't understand why these mules just haul ass with the doors locked. At least open the trailer and haul ass.

8 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

I don't understand why these mules just haul ass with the doors locked. At least open the trailer and haul ass.

It's not a quick or easy task from the looks of it

23 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

I don't understand why these mules just haul ass with the doors locked. At least open the trailer and haul ass.

The same reason ranchers don’t leave the trailer open when hauling cattle. There’s still money to be made at the processing facility. 

27 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

I don't understand why these mules just haul ass with the doors locked.

Because they already collected their money on the other side of the border.  They delivered their cargo -- most likely they gave no reps or warranties about the survival of said cargo.

Fuck this shit. Coyotes are evil MoFo's. I remember a case out in Bastrop. Shit ton of people (too lazy to google) being held at a farm while their family had to pay additional funds for ransom. 

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1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

Fuck this shit. Coyotes are evil MoFo's. I remember a case out in Bastrop. Shit ton of people (too lazy to google) being held at a farm while their family had to pay additional funds for ransom. 

Coyotes are scum. It's happened in SA before. There needs to be a better immigration work program in the U.S. so people don't take such drastic measures that lead to senseless death.

 

17 minutes ago, F250 said:

Coyotes are scum. It's happened in SA before. There needs to be a better immigration work program in the U.S. so people don't take such drastic measures that lead to senseless death.

 

Agree. My team wrote a concept document that went no where in Washington. Allow those truly in danger to request asylum there, in Latin America. It would be pretty damn easy to do. Happy to talk to anyone working on this. 

8 hours ago, F250 said:

Coyotes are scum. It's happened in SA before. There needs to be a better immigration work program in the U.S. so people don't take such drastic measures that lead to senseless death.

 

8 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Agree. My team wrote a concept document that went no where in Washington. Allow those truly in danger to request asylum there, in Latin America. It would be pretty damn easy to do. Happy to talk to anyone working on this. 

Presuming that the cruelty is not the intended outcome? Lol. It's been pretty clear over the last half decade (and longer) that the state authorities and their supporters do not consider 99.99% of asylum claim to be valid. In fact, building such a system to appropriately assess and humanely treat those asylum seekers is diametrically opposed to the most recent requests from the state, which sought to keep ALL people in tent cities in the Texas/Mexico desert while processing their asylum claim. 

I literally can’t imagine how bad things have to get for this to be plan A. Awful.

If the border is open, why did they put themselves through this?

2 minutes ago, tigol said:

If the border is open, why did they put themselves through this?

Through the border and into the distribution pipeline to reach their final destination as indentured slaves.  Such a travesty

wtf people. just get the dumb ass governments of the US and Mexico to agree to worker rights, get visas and make it legal. get it over with. enough. 

everything else is just people wasting fucking time and space. no CR. i am so fucking mad

SIAP - is there any understanding of where these folks came from? Mexico or further south? 

and/or any commentary recently that talks on the estimates/trends of where migrants are mostly coming from? I know in Mexico they have lots of issues with the rest of CAM on their southern border. 

 

16 minutes ago, staboner said:

SIAP - is there any understanding of where these folks came from? Mexico or further south? 

Looks like mostly Mexicans a few Salvadorians and Hondurans

1 hour ago, staboner said:

wtf people. just get the dumb ass governments of the US and Mexico to agree to worker rights, get visas and make it legal. get it over with. enough. 

everything else is just people wasting fucking time and space. no CR. i am so fucking mad

but...

trump supporters took our jobs GIF by South Park

Life is cheap.  And that price is posted openly and repeatedly for all to see now.  Lather, rinse, repeat.

I think this underscores how much I take for granted as an American.  The level of desperation of those people must have been unimaginable.  

11 hours ago, F250 said:

Coyotes are scum. It's happened in SA before. There needs to be a better immigration work program in the U.S. so people don't take such drastic measures that lead to senseless death.

 

The old Bracero program where migrants could work seasonally and legally in the USA and then return home worked too well, I guess.

Worker Shortage + Effective Political Gains off Vilifying Central American Immigration = Easily foreseeable outcome

 

While it's grotesque, low income migrants are at this point a tradable commodity along the border, and are treated as such. It doesn't have to be this way.

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10 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

The old Bracero program where migrants could work seasonally and legally in the USA and then return home worked too well, I guess.

Yeah, a bunch of racists in the border patrol led by Harlon Carter thought it was letting in too many Mexicans so they kicked off operation wetback to make it harder to be Mexican and exist in the US. They deported everyone they found, who would just turn around and have to restart the legal process. This led to a higher labor cost for businesses near the border, who in turn sought to bring in more illegal labor to keep their margins nice and fat (and more tax free, to boot!), which basically drained the lifeblood out of the bracero program.

For someone who likes to reference history a bunch, you sure do have a rather rosy and white-favored view of it.

Sounds like the children survived. Bright spot I guess.

The smugglers deserve nothing less than the death penalty. The whole top to down flowchart of that organization.

3 minutes ago, futureman said:

I knew this was our fault somehow.

Create conditions for human misery, and as a species, we will always find a way to fill that void.

Yeah, a bunch of racists in the border patrol led by Harlon Carter thought it was letting in too many Mexicans so they kicked off operation wetback to make it harder to be Mexican and exist in the US. They deported everyone they found, who would just turn around and have to restart the legal process. This led to a higher labor cost for businesses near the border, who in turn sought to bring in more illegal labor to keep their margins nice and fat (and more tax free, to boot!), which basically drained the lifeblood out of the bracero program.
For someone who likes to reference history a bunch, you sure do have a rather rosy and white-favored view of it.

Bingo. My old man’s first job (he’s a border kid) was a shuttle van driver for Braceros to worksites. The system worked. It went away for reasons - none of them were good.
12 hours ago, F250 said:

Coyotes are scum. It's happened in SA before. There needs to be a better immigration work program in the U.S. so people don't take such drastic measures that lead to senseless death.

 

Yup I believe twice (or more) under Trump so it's not a political football. It's a humanitarian crisis.

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

Yup I believe twice (or more) under Trump so it's not a political football. It's a humanitarian crisis.

Somebody ought to tell the governor that…

/No CR 

 

2 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

The old Bracero program where migrants could work seasonally and legally in the USA and then return home worked too well, I guess.

We still have the H2A program for agricultural workers. It's a terribly complex  program.  To my understanding "employment agencies" are the only one with practical access to H2A visas. Farmers gotta pay these pimps for people.  Expensive and dumb.

4 minutes ago, Parliament said:

We still have the H2A program for agricultural workers. It's a terribly complex  program.  To my understanding "employment agencies" are the only one with practical access to H2A visas. Farmers gotta pay these pimps for people.  Expensive and dumb.

Almost like the program isn't being ran in good faith, and it's just so people can complain in bad faith that migrants are just lazy/selfish/etc and don't want to use the legal path available 

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