July 13Jul 13 1 hour ago, Steel Shank said: I'm getting lost here. Correct me where I need it: Epstein is discovered to be a pervert while Obama in office There is rumored to be a client list Republicans/Trump/Maga demand release of list List not released, Epstein dies in prison Trump is now president, and his girl Bondi says "I got the list!" List not released, Dems and/or others want it released Trump and staff now say "There is no list" Is that it? Obama and Hillary created the list that doesn't actually exist.
July 13Jul 13 2 hours ago, Bobby_Batronic said: Meh, the Dems had the chance to release this information quite recently and declined. Either tons of pols, celebs and other powerbrokers came to party at his island and only Epstein diddled the minors, or they’re all involved and no one wants to open Pandora’s box. Probably the latter which is why it’s unlikely we’ll never know what happened. This is exactly what someone who diddled kids at Epstein island would say.
July 13Jul 13 The most fascinating thing to me about these past few days is that if they wanted this story to go away, he and Bondi decided to do the exact opposite, and we re seeing both the “Streisand Effect” and a the perfect example of “gaslighting” happening at the exact same moment. I also like that he lumped Hunter Biden’s laptop in with the hoaxes. These are literally things that more than a few MAGA or MAGA-adjacent types really give a shit about for some reason, and that helped drive a major conspiracy movement (Q/Qanons) and he’s telling them to forget about it, that it’s nothing, and if they believe it, they are a part of the leftist conspiracy against him.
July 13Jul 13 Popular Post 48 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said: Epstein killed himself in 2019. By your “norms” standard the only person involved was dead for 4 years when the current administration took over. Thats if we believe that there was a secret party island for the elites covered in cameras where minors were being sex trafficked for just Epstein himself. That seems unlikely to me, but I don’t think we’ll ever know They're not my norms. https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-27000-principles-federal-prosecution#9-27.760 Generally, you don't disclose factual material underlying investigations and prosecutions until constitutional requirements mandate disclosure to the defendant. For uncharged parties, you don't disclose material that might incriminate them because they have no forum in which to defend themselves. 'there is ordinarily “no legitimate governmental interest served” by the government’s public allegation of wrongdoing by an uncharged party, and this is true “[r]egardless of what criminal charges may . . . b[e] contemplated by the Assistant United States Attorney against the [third party] for the future.”"
July 13Jul 13 2 hours ago, Steel Shank said: I'm getting lost here. Correct me where I need it: Epstein is discovered to be a pervert while Obama in office There is rumored to be a client list Republicans/Trump/Maga demand release of list List not released, Epstein dies in prison Trump is now president, and his girl Bondi says "I got the list!" List not released, Dems and/or others want it released Trump and staff now say "There is no list" Is that it?
July 13Jul 13 22 minutes ago, Beau Vine said: How long before Ghislaine Maxwell will "commit suicide?" Well, Maga or not, the broader conspiracy theory presence is very real and generates a shit ton of traffic/feed/attention. (Sadly) There is NOTHING to compel any conspiracy theory rumors better than the death of a very high profile person. Right now, team Maga has the cover of Epstein's "suicide" occurring under Biden. That cover goes away real fast if she dies. Frankly, while I will never pull for someone, anyone, to be silenced, it if should occur, I certainly won't shed tears. However, it will stir a hornets nest in that particular "community" and I don't think that bodes well for anyone "involved". Just throwing that poop on the wall but.. I think it really is a factor. Edited July 13Jul 13 by BurntEyes
July 13Jul 13 5 minutes ago, BurntEyes said: Well, Maga or not, the broader conspiracy theory presence is very real and generates a shit ton of traffic/feed/attention. (Sadly) There is NOTHING to compel any conspiracy theory rumors better than the death of a very high profile person. Right now, team Maga has the cover of Epstein's "suicide" occurring under Biden. That cover goes away real fast if she dies. Frankly, while I will never pull for someone, anyone, to be silenced, it if should occur, I certainly won't shed tears. However, it will stir a hornets nest in that particular "community" and I don't think that bodes well for anyone "involved". Just throwing that poop on the wall but.. I think it really is a factor. Epstein's death occured in 2019.
July 13Jul 13 10 minutes ago, BurntEyes said: There is NOTHING to compel any conspiracy theory rumors better than the death of a very high profile person. Right now, team Maga has the cover of Epstein's "suicide" occurring under Biden. Biden was President in 2019? edit: @bolverk Edited July 13Jul 13 by atomheartbevo
July 13Jul 13 48 minutes ago, HenryJames said: I better pause my subscription to "Barely Legal" magazine so as not to leave tracks.
July 13Jul 13 52 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said: They're not my norms. https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-27000-principles-federal-prosecution#9-27.760 Generally, you don't disclose factual material underlying investigations and prosecutions until constitutional requirements mandate disclosure to the defendant. For uncharged parties, you don't disclose material that might incriminate them because they have no forum in which to defend themselves. 'there is ordinarily “no legitimate governmental interest served” by the government’s public allegation of wrongdoing by an uncharged party, and this is true “[r]egardless of what criminal charges may . . . b[e] contemplated by the Assistant United States Attorney against the [third party] for the future.”" Which brings us right back to the supposition that Epstein was the only person abusing underage girls at his party place. I don’t think that’s likely. I mentioned there being no reason to withhold information unless there’s an ongoing investigation, and find is hard to believe that they’re still looking into it. And I agree that you don’t name names unless they’re being charged. I just don’t think that it’s anywhere near as clean as Epstein acting alone.
July 13Jul 13 Popular Post 4 hours ago, Bobby_Batronic said: Meh, the Dems had the chance to release this information quite recently and declined. Either tons of pols, celebs and other powerbrokers came to party at his island and only Epstein diddled the minors, or they’re all involved and no one wants to open Pandora’s box. Probably the latter which is why it’s unlikely we’ll never know what happened. One administration literally campaigned on exposing the Epstein scandal and promised answers to their base, and now they are doing everything in their power to make it go away.
July 13Jul 13 1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said: 'there is ordinarily “no legitimate governmental interest served” by the government’s public allegation of wrongdoing by an uncharged party, and this is true “[r]egardless of what criminal charges may . . . b[e] contemplated by the Assistant United States Attorney against the [third party] for the future.”" While all dead-on true, this does not address the reasons why nobody was charged. The Biden people were naive enough not to charge Trump for political optics of the new president charging the former president. Wankers. Or the Clinton thing made it a non-starter. But even that is not a reason to NOT charge anybody else involved not named Trump or Clinton - if you can destroy all but certain evidence against certain people that is.* Nobody is going to come clean, as the “but….I had sex with fewer minor girls than those other guys did” defense won’t likely be a successful one. (* And I’m sure the US never had any back channel communication with Great Britain where the UK government told us it did not really wanna see a Royal Prince involved in a pedophile scandal for the good of the nation, thank you very much, old chap. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge - say no more.)
July 13Jul 13 21 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said: One administration literally campaigned on exposing the Epstein scandal and promised answers to their base, and now they are doing everything in their power to make it go away. Don’t really care who ran on what. I don’t need someone to politic for exposing child predators to want child predators exposed.
July 13Jul 13 2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said: I'm honestly shocked they haven’t been leaked, but the thing is, the people who could leak know the power in having them, and hanging them over the heads of people they want things from. I am honestly shocked Maxwell hasn’t committed “suicide” yet or died from “natural causes”. But evidently she has a hidden time bomb as insurance.
July 13Jul 13 2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said: Biden was President in 2019? edit: @bolverk I was told there would be no math.
July 14Jul 14 Daily Mail claiming Ghislaine Maxwell wants to testify to Congress but Republicans blocking her. lol https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14901591/Jeffery-Epstein-Ghislaine-Maxwell-trump-congress.html
July 14Jul 14 13 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said: Daily Mail claiming Ghislaine Maxwell wants to testify to Congress but Republicans blocking her. lol https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14901591/Jeffery-Epstein-Ghislaine-Maxwell-trump-congress.html She’s a pretty decent speaker. I saw her on a Ted Talk the other day. These fuckers have their claws in pretty much everything.
July 14Jul 14 57 minutes ago, MrBig said: She’s a pretty decent speaker. I saw her on a Ted Talk the other day. These fuckers have their claws in pretty much everything. She was the mouth piece organizer for both big time political and wealth while at the same time recruiting youth and beauty. Obviously, I applaud hating her for her motives, but there is no doubt she's got some impressive speaking/influence skills. It would be very bad for bad guys with something to hide have her speak.
July 14Jul 14 23 minutes ago, huge said: It's all so ridiculous it's sublime Best example of gaslighting ever. Runner-up is not even close.
July 15Jul 15 2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said: Best example of gaslighting ever. Runner-up is not even close. The FBI planted those classified documents on me and I demand they return them because they're mine.
July 15Jul 15 1 minute ago, Chopper said: The leading magats can't even remember basic facts. Dumb old fuck doesn't know what arrested or indicted means, anyway. Worth pointing out that he was initially arrested, federally deferred, and convicted in Florida between 2005-2008, during the Shrub administration.
July 15Jul 15 34 minutes ago, Chopper said: The leading magats can't even remember basic facts. Alternative facts
July 15Jul 15 Popular Post On 1/3/2024 at 11:47 AM, Incredulity said: what a joke. There are some serious efforts to obfuscate this thing going on. I agree with this comment from the second page of this thread, so why are you silent now? For the life of me, I can't understand why--after so much caterwauling for so long--they don't want it released now. @statsman, as the thread's OP, it's kind of odd you haven't posted on the topic lately. Did you lose interest in the case?
July 15Jul 15 9 minutes ago, bolverk said: For the life of me, I can't understand why--after so much caterwauling for so long--they don't want it released now. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
July 15Jul 15 7 minutes ago, bolverk said: I agree with this comment from the second page of this thread, so why are you silent now? I haven't posted in the CR for about a month. I really don't care enough about the leftists crying performance art to participate. RE this topic: Obviously there are some seriously powerful people who seriously do not want "the list" published, as I previously stated. I'll leave the rest to y'all
July 15Jul 15 Popular Post 1 minute ago, Incredulity said: Obviously there are some seriously powerful people who seriously do not want "the list" published, as I previously stated. I'll leave the rest to y'all But aren't you upset that those people are being protected? Don't you care about powerful pedophiles getting away with it? You seemed so passionate about this topic before.
July 15Jul 15 Popular Post Just now, bolverk said: But aren't you upset that those people are being protected? Don't you care about powerful pedophiles getting away with it? You seemed so passionate about this topic before.
July 15Jul 15 3 minutes ago, bolverk said: But aren't you upset that those people are being protected? Don't you care about powerful pedophiles getting away with it? You seemed so passionate about this topic before. Well, most of my posts in this thread were about Kimmel and Rodgers slap fight so I am not exactly sure what the fuck you are babbling about. Unsurprisingly, you don't either.
July 15Jul 15 It was very important to him until he heard it was just files made up by Obama, Comey, and Biden.
July 15Jul 15 Author 26 minutes ago, bolverk said: @statsman, as the thread's OP, it's kind of odd you haven't posted on the topic lately. Did you lose interest in the case? No, I try not to post in DT. Besides the ad hominem and appeals to authority, there are (as you well know) plenty of posters that try to win arguments by crying to mods about “shit posting” when they don’t like what someone is saying. On another thread, I got a one week ban for linking a WSJ op-ed (Immamac said it was “shit posting”; I guess I should have waited a couple of days for the news story). I don’t feel like responding in kind, so I find DT interesting to read, but not good for engaging. Edited July 15Jul 15 by statsman
July 15Jul 15 3 minutes ago, statsman said: there are (as you well know) plenty of posters that try to win arguments by crying to mods about “shit posting” when they don’t like what someone is saying. On another thread, I got a one week ban for linking a WSJ op-ed (Immamac said it was “shit posting”; Same. Also, just realized this is DT.... great news/non-political thread is great.
July 15Jul 15 “Boo hoo - my hypocrisy and political shit fit was thrown in my face (gasp) in DT! How dare you bring politics into a news story where countless administration officials and the attorney general claimed for months that THIS was the biggest scandal in government only to turn tail and hide bc the President changed his mind” Yeah, I hear you. Surely there’s a non-political way to discuss such news. Also, who even cares anymore? Amirite
July 15Jul 15 12 minutes ago, statsman said: No, I try not to post in DT. Besides the ad hominem and appeals to authority, there are (as you well know) plenty of posters that try to win arguments by crying to mods about “shit posting” when they don’t like what someone is saying. On another thread, I got a one week ban for linking a WSJ op-ed (Immamac said it was “shit posting”; I guess I should have waited a couple of days for the news story). I don’t feel like responding in kind, so I find DT interesting to read, but not good for engaging. 8 minutes ago, Incredulity said: Same. Also, just realized this is DT.... great news/non-political thread is great. It is absolutely news that the House Rules Committee voted against releasing the files. There's no opinion or editorializing in my post. I'm just puzzled why you guys lost interest. I'm sorry that this news is so upsetting.
July 15Jul 15 3 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said: Yeah, I hear you. Surely there’s a non-political way to discuss such news. Also, who even cares anymore? Amirite Trump and his AG publicly ordered it covered up and for his followers to stop talking about it, and Republican-led House Rules Committee in Congress voted against releasing the files. Those are facts and news. Honestly, we should be talking about his followers that are freaking out over it. They are entertaining as hell as they are being gaslighted by the man himself, while at the same time their identity was wrapped up in exposing Epstein's client lists, etc. Edited July 15Jul 15 by atomheartbevo
July 15Jul 15 1 minute ago, Incredulity said: "Republicans just blocked release of Epstein files" Very, very newsy.
July 15Jul 15 Assuming the files are criminal in nature, ie evidence seized using search warrants, pursuant to grand jury subpoena and other criminal processes, they would be in the sole control of the DOJ. HoR ain't got nothin to do with it unless they somehow obtained copies, which a norm-following DOJ would resist for the same reason it doesn't make such files publicly available. So, unnecessary grandstanding by House Rules Committee.
July 15Jul 15 4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said: So, unnecessary grandstanding by House Rules Committee. You really have to wonder why they decided to have that vote, because A) it provides fodder to those that want it released and believe there is a cover-up, and B) it's drawing more attention to said files being covered up.
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