July 8, 20223 yr 41 minutes ago, Horn Dogg said: So he comes to shoot a politician, but wears his mask to help curb the spread of Covid. blend in with the crowd. I would assume it's more about how close he could get.
July 8, 20223 yr After seeing the short barrels I was expecting the guy to be a lot closer than that. I'm assuming slugs, tho can't imagine the barrels were rifled. And I doubt he made home made saboted slugs.
July 8, 20223 yr It's kind of morbid in a sense but Abe probably had a better chance of survival if he was shot in the US. Not saying anything bad about Japanese healthcare just saying that US medical is probably way better at treating gun shot wounds from on scene until surgery
July 8, 20223 yr I listened to the live English translated press conference with the ER surgeon - some weirdly specific and detailed questions were asked by the press BTW, assume it’s a cultural thing - who indicated that there was a significant open wound to his heart. So he likely had no chance and was dead within a very short time. The translation could be wonky, but that’s what I got out of it.
July 8, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, FartingMonk said: It's kind of morbid in a sense but Abe probably had a better chance of survival if he was shot in the US. Not if a 9mm was used.
July 8, 20223 yr This is really sad and shocking news. Abe really was a giant in Japanese politics; I'm not sure there is any analogous figure in modern American politics. So this is going to be really traumatic for the Japanese people (who already have a lot to deal with, as referenced above).
July 8, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said: This is really sad and shocking news. Abe really was a giant in Japanese politics; I'm not sure there is any analogous figure in modern American politics. So this is going to be really traumatic for the Japanese people (who already have a lot to deal with, as referenced above). All of this. Damn. Then you read about the alleged shooter and a possible motivation (setting aside any conspiracy theories) and it’s like WTF? Just terribly shocking and depressing news. He’d likely still have been PM were it not for his ulcerative colitis issues. Truly sad shit.
July 8, 20223 yr So somewhere in the US constructed Japanese constitution there is the death penalty? They used to be exceptionally good at it.
July 8, 20223 yr Popular Post shockingly high percentage of political Abes get assassinated. we need to look into this.
July 8, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said: shockingly high percentage of political Abes get assassinated. we need to look into this. I mean, if my parents named me Abe, there's no way in hell I run for political office.
July 8, 20223 yr 46 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said: Abe really was a giant in Japanese politics; I'm not sure there is any analogous figure in modern American politics. Jesse 'the body' Ventura and Arnold 'black egg' Schwarzenegger
July 8, 20223 yr 10 hours ago, Superhero said: There are a few Japanese words I don't understand, but they also use a lot of Chinese characters. The second line essentially says his heart stopped. Profile photo checks out.
July 8, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, FartingMonk said: It's kind of morbid in a sense but Abe probably had a better chance of survival if he was shot in the US. Not saying anything bad about Japanese healthcare just saying that US medical is probably way better at treating gun shot wounds from on scene until surgery not really.
July 8, 20223 yr First shot missed, Abe could have escaped, but I guess gunshots are so foreign to them that they had no idea what it was. Granted, it didn't sound much like one, but we're pretty conditioned to take cover if you hear a boom in a public space, these days.
July 8, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, Eastwood said: First shot missed, Abe could have escaped, but I guess gunshots are so foreign to them that they had no idea what it was. Granted, it didn't sound much like one, but we're pretty conditioned to take cover if you hear a boom in a public space, these days. Jesus. RIP Abe. I can’t see anyone surviving that. Holy shit.
July 8, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Eastwood said: First shot missed, Abe could have escaped, but I guess gunshots are so foreign to them that they had no idea what it was. Granted, it didn't sound much like one, but we're pretty conditioned to take cover if you hear a boom in a public space, these days. Then why’d most everyone else react to it except him?
July 8, 20223 yr First shot definitely appears to have either missed or been a misfire of some sort. I don't see how no one else (security, etc.) was hurt who was standing between him and the gunman. Shot gun blasts typically not that precise. RIP Abe
July 8, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Helobious said: Then why’d most everyone else react to it except him? didn't really react like it was a gunshot though. nobody made a move towards their principal, and you can see it takes a second-plus for it to register and them make a move towards the shooter/try to shield Abe
July 8, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, Eastwood said: First shot missed, Abe could have escaped, but I guess gunshots are so foreign to them that they had no idea what it was. Granted, it didn't sound much like one, but we're pretty conditioned to take cover if you hear a boom in a public space, these days. Not really. Take the recent shooting in Illinois for example. A good ten or fifteen shots had been fired and numerous people were sitting there confused.
July 8, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said: that look you give when you realize your name is Abe Very sad about the PM of Japan. On the bright side, at least Mr Vigoda is safe
July 8, 20223 yr 17 minutes ago, StruggleBus said: Not really. Take the recent shooting in Illinois for example. A good ten or fifteen shots had been fired and numerous people were sitting there confused. In the time it took this homemade gun to fire two rounds, you could fire almost 10 rounds from an AR. As to the comment that everyone appears to react, are we watching the same vid? Almost everyone is still standing there even after the second shot and Abe falling. Barely even a scream.
July 8, 20223 yr 44 minutes ago, Helobious said: Then why’d most everyone else react to it except him? Uh because his job actively giving a speech and it was his guards job to monitor the surrounding
July 8, 20223 yr Shotguns are decidedly not gangster means of assassination this was in 1960, and televised https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Inejirō_Asanuma
July 8, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Ghost of LL said: This is really sad and shocking news. Abe really was a giant in Japanese politics; I'm not sure there is any analogous figure in modern American politics. So this is going to be really traumatic for the Japanese people (who already have a lot to deal with, as referenced above). Agree completely. I lived in Japan from 2018 - 2021 and he was always talked about more in a 'funny uncle' type of way but with a respectful and appreciative tone. And that sentiment was universal whether you belonged to his party or not. When COVID first hit he led an effort to send every household in Japan a package of masks (because they were sold out everywhere). My colleagues joked about it but once the masks arrived in the mail each of us cheered over Zoom. For them it was "Welp, Abe san got it done!". For me I was just grateful to have some masks. Tragic day for Japan.
July 8, 20223 yr In the time it took this homemade gun to fire two rounds, you could fire almost 10 rounds from an AR. As to the comment that everyone appears to react, are we watching the same vid? Almost everyone is still standing there even after the second shot and Abe falling. Barely even a scream. It sounded a lot like a tire blowout. I’d guess in Japan, that’s everyone’s first thought.
July 8, 20223 yr So the perps motive was that he felt that Abe was associated with the Moonies? Am I piecing that together correctly?
July 8, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Dennis Taylor said: Very sad about the PM of Japan. On the bright side, at least Mr Vigoda is safe
July 8, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Anastasis said: So the perps motive was that he felt that Abe was associated with the Moonies? Am I piecing that together correctly? Source?
July 8, 20223 yr I'm not up to speed with politics. Who would this guy compare to on the American side? A former president?
July 8, 20223 yr I'm not up to speed with politics. Who would this guy compare to on the American side? A former president? White Obama.
July 8, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, StruggleBus said: Not really. Take the recent shooting in Illinois for example. A good ten or fifteen shots had been fired and numerous people were sitting there confused. Maybe because it was the 4th of July and gun shots and Black Cats sound extremely similar?
July 8, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, 4th_and_18 said: White Obama. He’s not white in the classical (racist) sense and he’s not liberal per posts upthread.
July 8, 20223 yr He’s not white in the classical (racist) sense and he’s not liberal per posts upthread. I took the question as level of politician and level of care by the Japanese populace. Not necessarily aligned with politics and same color.
July 8, 20223 yr 34 minutes ago, T-shirt Sip said: I'm not up to speed with politics. Who would this guy compare to on the American side? A former president? In terms of title, yes. He would be Trump (ex-president who had most recently held the office) but unlike Trump, in terms of overall respect and clout Shinzo Abe had held office for an incredibly long time and was a popular political figure for decades. Kind of a mixed bag policy-wise and like any politician he was not universally loved.
July 8, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, chainsaw said: Source? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62098100 The chatter I was that it was a religious organization.
July 8, 20223 yr 6 hours ago, orange dream said: First shot definitely appears to have either missed or been a misfire of some sort. I don't see how no one else (security, etc.) was hurt who was standing between him and the gunman. Shot gun blasts typically not that precise. RIP Abe At that range a shotgun really doesn't spread out all that much.
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