July 12, 20223 yr 17 minutes ago, IDIOTsavant said: My first thought was Terry Pendleton, but it looks like he won a Gold Glove or two before ‘91. I thought about him and Willie McGee who also had a GG and ROY votes. Something about the 80s Cardinals.
July 12, 20223 yr 41 minutes ago, cochamps said: Zollo Versailles and Dick Groat seem likely After my guess I looked up some people and Versailles jumped out to me as who I thought possible would be it, but he actually got MVP votes, was an AS and GG winner years prior to him winning MVP Groat is incorrect also Edited July 12, 20223 yr by Scraps
July 12, 20223 yr 51 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said: Fernando Valenzuela? never won the MVP
July 12, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Huckleberry said: Cecil Fielder? Did he win the MVP his 50HR season? Seems like he never won one but worth a shot. was 2nd in MVP voting 2 years in a row....never won it
July 12, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, WBT said: Morneau This looks to be correct 8 hours ago, henrygandorf said: this feels like a willie hernandez situation though the question is very confusing to me. If I am looking at this correctly I think this is correct also
July 12, 20223 yr Found the two that have not been said....I bet someone who posts here would get one of them, but he isn't in this thread And someone who is in this thread should have gotten the other one lol
July 12, 20223 yr Author 1 hour ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said: then you never played the (really shitty) RBI Baseball 2. he was the only guy that had any pop. does the bolded mean ever in the career, or just before the MVP? Previously. Y'all already got Willie Hernandez, Vida Blue (loved that his A's jersey had "Vida" on the back), and Morneau (still amazes me that he beat out Jeter). Willie: Vida: Morneau: The other two guys are hitters.
July 12, 20223 yr Author 4 minutes ago, Scraps said: Found the two that have not been said....I bet someone who posts here would get one of them, but he isn't in this thread California Helobious?
July 12, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, Beau Vine said: Previously. Y'all already got Willie Hernandez, Vida Blue (loved that his A's jersey had "Vida" on the back), and Morneau (still amazes me that he beat out Jeter). Willie: Vida: Morneau: The other two guys are hitters. willie's season actually looks remarkably similar to the dude you started the question with (whom i had never heard of). couple guys that were true mvps - their teams wouldn't have won without their specific contributions. instead of just straight mass volume stats on a team that doesn't suck, which is what the award has morphed into.
July 12, 20223 yr 45 minutes ago, henrygandorf said: Damn I didn’t know that was him. Definitely seen that catch before. Still think David Wright’s was better.
July 12, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, Helobious said: Still think David Wright’s was better. your opinions are very valuable and should absolutely be taken seriously.
July 12, 20223 yr Author 1 hour ago, IDIOTsavant said: Jeff Burroughs came to mind, and a quick look seems to confirm he fits the bill. One of the worst MVP decisions ever, back when the award usually went to the guy with the most RBI.
July 12, 20223 yr Author And the last guy, who went on to probably have the most note-worthy career of the bunch, even though he's one of the most overrated players of my lifetime:
July 12, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Beau Vine said: And the last guy, who went on to probably have the most note-worthy career of the bunch, even though he's one of the most overrated players of my lifetime: Benny the Jet?
July 12, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Beau Vine said: And the last guy, who went on to probably have the most note-worthy career of the bunch, even though he's one of the most overrated players of my lifetime: this made me scroll down the 1974 mvp list. jack billingham finished 16 in mvp with a negative WAR.
July 12, 20223 yr Author 9 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said: this made me scroll down the 1974 mvp list. jack billingham finished 16 in mvp with a negative WAR. I frequently go to b-r and look at old award voting just to amuse myself with shit like that.
July 12, 20223 yr Author 19 minutes ago, Scraps said: The AL vote had 4 OAK players and 2 TEX players as the top 6 lol OAK was in the middle of their dynasty and that was the first season of my life when TEX wasn't mathematically eliminated in June, so not surprising. Without looking, probably the least-deserving of those 6 was the one who won. But he led the league in RBI, which back then meant he had to win. Fergie was definitely more valuable than Burroughs, though.
July 13, 20223 yr name the only 5 players to hit 100 home runs with 3 different teams. hint all from 1960+. Thanks reserve clause! if you google its easy. so no googlin' bonus: name last pitcher to throw a no hitter and hit a home run in the same game.
July 13, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, shadow_operative2.0 said: Reggie is one. yep. one of them is going to be tough. the other 3 could be reasonably assumed based on overall home run totals.
July 13, 20223 yr I have thought up about 5 guys and looked them up and none of them have done it. Dave Kingman was the closest of the ones I thought of....he was 6 away
July 13, 20223 yr Finally caved and looked it up. Should have thought up one of the two remaining, would never have gotten the other one
July 13, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, Scraps said: Finally caved and looked it up. Should have thought up one of the two remaining, would never have gotten the other one Glad I finally looked it up, as I would have wasted all day trying to think of the 5th guy I've never even heard of
July 13, 20223 yr Everyone else I think of has had long stints with two teams but then bounce around with only 1 or 2 years per team at the end of their career.
July 13, 20223 yr Ah, Adrian Beltre. That's probably the other one y'all say you should have got. I have to do some work now but I'll wait and see if anyone else comes to me before I look it up.
July 13, 20223 yr Since Rickey Henderson retired with 1406 stolen bases, there have been 3 players that have reached half that many steals. Name them.
July 13, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Scraps said: My first guess was Juan Pierre but he only had 614 Dee Gordon and Jose Reyes didn't get close either.
July 13, 20223 yr I feel like Nelly Cruz was with Seattle and the Twins long enough to get 100 at each. I'm going with him.
July 13, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, ocugolf said: Since Rickey Henderson retired with 1406 stolen bases, there have been 3 players that have reached half that many steals. Name them. Billy Hamilton (which I got) is the only person that fits this criteria in the big leagues. Obviously, Vince Coleman and Tim Raines got there, but they were retired before Rickey…everyone else over 700 played decades ago.
July 13, 20223 yr so this made me pull up Cruz's stats. If it wasn't for COVID shortened season, dude would be creeping up on the 500 homer club at the end of this year, a club that is exclusively peopled with HOFers and roiders. Amazing.
July 13, 20223 yr Billy Hamilton (which I got) is the only person that fits this criteria in the big leagues.Wut
July 13, 20223 yr I feel like Nelly Cruz was with Seattle and the Twins long enough to get 100 at each. I'm going with him.Nope on Min
July 13, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Scraps said: Wut Ha! Didn’t click on the link on the BRef list. Wrong Billy Hamilton. 😂 Don’t see how anyone fits the original criteria then of playing after Rickey retired and finishing over 700 SB.
July 13, 20223 yr He didn't say whole career after Rickey retired. It has to be someone who retired after 2003, but was getting steals while Rickey was still playing. At least thats how I comprehend this
July 13, 20223 yr Author 33 minutes ago, IDIOTsavant said: Billy Hamilton (which I got) is the only person that fits this criteria in the big leagues. Dude...
July 13, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, Scraps said: He didn't say whole career after Rickey retired. It has to be someone who retired after 2003, but was getting steals while Rickey was still playing. At least thats how I comprehend this Agreed. Here’s the top 10 list (includes all players over 700 steals): Rickey Henderson Lou Brock Billy Hamilton Ty Cobb Tim Raines (retired 2002) Vince Coleman (retired 1997) Arlie Latham Eddie Collins Max Carey Honus Wagner Which one (much less three) of those guys retired after Rickey? Edited July 13, 20223 yr by IDIOTsavant Fucking phone typing
July 13, 20223 yr Yeah i know....ocugolf needs to.explain himself with this bullshit lolI knew once I thought up Kenny Lofton and he still wasn't close that either I was never getting this or it was a impossible question Kenny Lofton?Only 622
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