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17 minutes ago, IDIOTsavant said:

My first thought was Terry Pendleton, but it looks like he won a Gold Glove or two before ‘91.

I thought about him and Willie McGee who also had a GG and ROY votes.  Something about the 80s Cardinals.

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41 minutes ago, cochamps said:

Zollo Versailles  and Dick Groat seem likely

After my guess I looked up some people and Versailles jumped out to me as who I thought possible would be it, but he actually got MVP votes, was an AS and GG winner years prior to him winning MVP 

 

Groat is incorrect also 

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51 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Fernando Valenzuela?

never won the MVP

2 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Cecil Fielder? Did he win the MVP his 50HR season? Seems like he never won one but worth a shot. 

was 2nd in MVP voting 2 years in a row....never won it 

3 hours ago, WBT said:

Morneau

This looks to be correct 

8 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

this feels like a willie hernandez situation though the question is very confusing to me. 

If I am looking at this correctly I think this is correct also 

Found the two that have not been said....I bet someone who posts here would get one of them, but he isn't in this thread 

And someone who is in this thread should have gotten the other one lol 

 

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1 hour ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

then you never played the (really shitty) RBI Baseball 2.  he was the only guy that had any pop.

does the bolded mean ever in the career, or just before the MVP?

Previously.  

Y'all already got Willie Hernandez, Vida Blue (loved that his A's jersey had "Vida" on the back), and Morneau (still amazes me that he beat out Jeter).

Willie:

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Vida:

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Morneau:

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The other two guys are hitters.

 

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4 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Found the two that have not been said....I bet someone who posts here would get one of them, but he isn't in this thread 

California Helobious?

Found them both with those hints

Spoiler

Same year

 

27 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Previously.  

Y'all already got Willie Hernandez, Vida Blue (loved that his A's jersey had "Vida" on the back), and Morneau (still amazes me that he beat out Jeter).

Willie:

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Vida:

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Morneau:

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The other two guys are hitters.

 

willie's season actually looks remarkably similar to the dude you started the question with (whom i had never heard of).

couple guys that were true mvps - their teams wouldn't have won without their specific contributions.  instead of just straight mass volume stats on a team that doesn't suck, which is what the award has morphed into.

45 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

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Damn I didn’t know that was him. Definitely seen that catch before. Still think David Wright’s was better.

11 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Still think David Wright’s was better.

your opinions are very valuable and should absolutely be taken seriously.

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1 hour ago, IDIOTsavant said:

Jeff Burroughs came to mind, and a quick look seems to confirm he fits the bill.

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One of the worst MVP decisions ever, back when the award usually went to the guy with the most RBI.  

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And the last guy, who went on to probably have the most note-worthy career of the bunch, even though he's one of the most overrated players of my lifetime:

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2 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

And the last guy, who went on to probably have the most note-worthy career of the bunch, even though he's one of the most overrated players of my lifetime:

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Benny the Jet? 

3 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

And the last guy, who went on to probably have the most note-worthy career of the bunch, even though he's one of the most overrated players of my lifetime:

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this made me scroll down the 1974 mvp list.  jack billingham finished 16 in mvp with a negative WAR.  

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9 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

this made me scroll down the 1974 mvp list.  jack billingham finished 16 in mvp with a negative WAR.  

I frequently go to b-r and look at old award voting just to amuse myself with shit like that.

The AL vote had 4 OAK players and 2 TEX players as the top 6 lol 

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19 minutes ago, Scraps said:

The AL vote had 4 OAK players and 2 TEX players as the top 6 lol 

OAK was in the middle of their dynasty and that was the first season of my life when TEX wasn't mathematically eliminated in June, so not surprising.  

Without looking, probably the least-deserving of those 6 was the one who won.  But he led the league in RBI, which back then meant he had to win.  Fergie was definitely more valuable than Burroughs, though.  

Steve Garvey....Steve fucking Garvey.

Next question lol

name the only 5 players to hit 100 home runs with 3 different teams.  hint all from 1960+.  Thanks reserve clause!  if you google its easy. so no googlin'

 

bonus: name last pitcher to throw a no hitter and hit a home run in the same game.

7 minutes ago, shadow_operative2.0 said:

Reggie is one. 

yep.  

one of them is going to be tough.  the other 3 could be reasonably assumed based on overall home run totals.

Thome.  He needed a 2nd stint with the Phillies to get there.

I have thought up about 5 guys and looked them up and none of them have done it.  Dave Kingman was the closest of the ones I thought of....he was 6 away 

Finally caved and looked it up.  Should have thought up one of the two remaining, would never have gotten the other one

10 minutes ago, Scraps said:

Finally caved and looked it up.  Should have thought up one of the two remaining, would never have gotten the other one

Glad I finally looked it up, as I would have wasted all day trying to think of the 5th guy I've never even heard of

Everyone else I think of has had long stints with two teams but then bounce around with only 1 or 2 years per team at the end of their career.

Ah, Adrian Beltre.  That's probably the other one y'all say you should have got.  I have to do some work now but I'll wait and see if anyone else comes to me before I look it up.

Since Rickey Henderson retired with 1406 stolen bases, there have been 3 players that have reached half that many steals.  Name them.

My first guess was Juan Pierre but he only had 614

7 minutes ago, Scraps said:

My first guess was Juan Pierre but he only had 614

Dee Gordon and Jose Reyes didn't get close either.

2 hours ago, ocugolf said:

Since Rickey Henderson retired with 1406 stolen bases, there have been 3 players that have reached half that many steals.  Name them.

Billy Hamilton (which I got) is the only person that fits this criteria in the big leagues. Obviously, Vince Coleman and Tim Raines got there, but they were retired before Rickey…everyone else over 700 played decades ago.

so this made me pull up Cruz's stats.  If it wasn't for COVID shortened season, dude would be creeping up on the 500 homer club at the end of this year, a club that is exclusively peopled with HOFers and roiders.  Amazing.



Billy Hamilton (which I got) is the only person that fits this criteria in the big leagues.


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4 minutes ago, Scraps said:


 

 


Wut

 

Ha! Didn’t click on the link on the BRef list. Wrong Billy Hamilton. 😂 Don’t see how anyone fits the original criteria then of playing after Rickey retired and finishing over 700 SB.

He didn't say whole career after Rickey retired.

It has to be someone who retired after 2003, but was getting steals while Rickey was still playing.

At least thats how I comprehend this

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33 minutes ago, IDIOTsavant said:

Billy Hamilton (which I got) is the only person that fits this criteria in the big leagues.

Dude...

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9 minutes ago, Scraps said:

He didn't say whole career after Rickey retired.

It has to be someone who retired after 2003, but was getting steals while Rickey was still playing.

At least thats how I comprehend this

Agreed. Here’s the top 10 list (includes all players over 700 steals):

Rickey Henderson

Lou Brock

Billy Hamilton

Ty Cobb

Tim Raines (retired 2002)

Vince Coleman (retired 1997)

Arlie Latham

Eddie Collins

Max Carey

Honus Wagner

Which one (much less three) of those guys retired after Rickey?

 

 

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Yeah i know....ocugolf needs to.explain himself with this bullshit lol

I knew once I thought up Kenny Lofton and he still wasn't close that either I was never getting this or it was a impossible question

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