June 7, 20187 yr I mean, I like the idea of those three people singing that song. And I know that Laura Jane Grace is actually living that song. The Mats version conveys the struggle of androgyny and the shit people who society called "a freak" had to deal with. But this version just feels wrong. It's FAR too upbeat/happy for my tastes. I suppose it's a reinterpretation to put a positive spin on the transition transexual people go through - that it doesn't have to be depressing and it's a beautiful thing to embrace your true identity. It just sits wrong with me
June 7, 20187 yr Author 9 minutes ago, irishtexan said: I mean, I like the idea of those three people singing that song. And I know that Laura Jane Grace is actually living that song. The Mats version conveys the struggle of androgyny and the shit people who society called "a freak" had to deal with. But this version just feels wrong. It's FAR too upbeat/happy for my tastes. I suppose it's a reinterpretation to put a positive spin on the transition transexual people go through - that it doesn't have to be depressing and it's a beautiful thing to embrace your true identity. It just sits wrong with me I agree, that's pretty much the gut take I had although the performance is good. But one thing this version did was make me appreciate how prescient Westerberg's lyrics were. Not that androgyny or transgender issues were rare in that time, but I never really took the song as seriously as it deserved to be taken. My fault, no doubt, but true just the same. Edited June 7, 20187 yr by jimmyjazz
June 7, 20187 yr 12 minutes ago, irishtexan said: I mean, I like the idea of those three people singing that song. And I know that Laura Jane Grace is actually living that song. The Mats version conveys the struggle of androgyny and the shit people who society called "a freak" had to deal with. But this version just feels wrong. It's FAR too upbeat/happy for my tastes. I suppose it's a reinterpretation to put a positive spin on the transition transexual people go through - that it doesn't have to be depressing and it's a beautiful thing to embrace your true identity. It just sits wrong with me I always found something sort of upbeat in the original's piano part. By Westerberg standards, anyhow. I get what you're saying though.
June 7, 20187 yr On a related note, Miley Cyrus seems to do a lot of these backyard cover things. I always kind of disregarded her as a manufactured kid pop artist, but then i heard her sing Jolene here and realized she can bring it.
June 7, 20187 yr Author I've been singing (eh) the praises of Miley and her voice for years, and getting excoriated for it. She is seriously talented. She is also seriously nuts.
June 7, 20187 yr I was actually going to nominate Miley's "We Can't Stop" for this thread . . . but after watching some of these videos, I think she just does not belong in the thread. Definitely nuts though. And I find her friendship/collaboration with Wayne Coyne odd (see https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jan/12/flaming-lips-wayne-coyne-on-miley-cyrus-acid-asap-rocky). That guy somehow went from being one of the coolest guys in music circa 2001 to a sad, weird creepster. His shtick is not aging well.
June 7, 20187 yr 5 hours ago, Celery Man said: Miley Cyrus actually fits in a weird sub category of .... artists who get hate but actually tend to be pretty good. Or at least, Party in the USA and Wrecking Ball are both great songs and she's a monster vocalist. But I doubt she wrote any of those songs. Taylor Swift would as well except I don't think she gets lumped into that category. Katy Perry also in that category. But again I take this as being about songwriting. 1 I'd throw Lady Gaga in that same weird category. She's an outstanding singer and musician but you don't notice it with the act.
June 7, 20187 yr 2 minutes ago, Mole said: I'd throw Lady Gaga in that same weird category. She's an outstanding singer and musician but you don't notice it with the act. She doesn't have the child star/famous parent baggage though. While it's not my thing, it was easier for me to respect Lady Gaga off the bat than it was to respect Miley Cyrus.
June 8, 20187 yr She has a fantastic voice. No doubt about it. Too bad she usually uses it on shitty songs.
June 8, 20187 yr This isn't even an entirely good tune. I have always liked the intro and then the song just falls flat when the guy starts singing. The intro deserves better.
July 25, 20214 yr Driving home late last night and this song came on. Didn't know who it was but was blown away by how good it was, especially the drum work. Don't know if they're necessarily a bad band, I always hated their stupid name and I hated their big hit "Good". This song kicks ass though.
July 25, 20214 yr On 6/7/2018 at 8:29 AM, irishtexan said: I absolutely think he's a bad artist. Don Henley writes self-indulgent soft-rock schlock that espouse all of the absolute shittiest values of the baby boomer generation. Boys of Summer included. BoS only kicks ass because Mike Campbell wrote the music. Don Henley is a shitty artist, and an even shittier human. #HotTakes #ComingInHot
July 27, 20214 yr On 7/25/2021 at 2:02 PM, ajax said: Driving home late last night and this song came on. Didn't know who it was but was blown away by how good it was, especially the drum work. Don't know if they're necessarily a bad band, I always hated their stupid name and I hated their big hit "Good". This song kicks ass though. Despite being a one-hit wonder nationally, Better than Ezra was a pretty legendary New Orleans band. I saw them at the Houston Rodeo cookoff on an outdoor stage and they fucking rocked everyone's asses off. I definitely hated "Good" and was a nonbeliever until then.
July 28, 20214 yr I had free tickets to a Better Than Ezra show at Numbers in Houston in the early 2000’s and liked the show enough to catch them again at a some HOB shows over the years. Good band that puts on a good live show.
July 28, 20214 yr Author "Better Than Better Than Ezra" is certainly one of the best fake band names.
July 28, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Bender Bending Rodriguez said: I had free tickets to a Better Than Ezra show at Numbers in Houston in the early 2000’s and liked the show enough to catch them again at a some HOB shows over the years. Good band that puts on a good live show. Third Eye Blind kills it live, too, if anyone ever gets a chance to go. You don't really have to love their music to have a good time.
July 28, 20214 yr On 6/5/2018 at 2:35 PM, jimmyjazz said: So enough talk about shitty songs, bad bands, etc. Share with me some good songs by artists who . . . weren't good. Basically, "yeah, I can't stand that band, but you know that ONE song was pretty great". This is tricky, because it forces the admission that maybe some horrible singer or band actually put 2 and 2 together one time and got 4. A couple of examples: You crazy bro. You may not like Bryan Adams but there is no reality where he's a horrible singer or a 'bad band'. Top 10 singles across 3 decades, 5 top 10 albums, and a shitload of great songs. Cuts Like a Knife and Reckless are still listenable today.
July 28, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said: Holy autotune, Batman. It's still Kid Rock. And a PJ backing, obviously. But I've always adored that song. The lyricism and subject matter is pretty poignant. And I feel like it's just as much reverb and tremolo than autotune. And autotune or not it's the message behind it that I think far out does anything else he ever made. The mixing and production is great too in my book (again, again - a lot if it is ripped). Edited July 28, 20214 yr by ztejas
July 28, 20214 yr Speaking of autotune, here's a controversial one. Most of you are probably burnt out on this one but I've caught it a few times lately and within it's genre it's a great track.
July 28, 20214 yr "we're mad that the actress in our video became more famous than we are so we're going to act like fuckheads"
July 29, 20214 yr 18 hours ago, Rimbo said: Y'all aren't very good at this. This is a bad band with a good song: Christ. I'd be cool with never hearing that again.
July 29, 20214 yr On 7/27/2021 at 2:20 PM, Grandioso said: Despite being a one-hit wonder nationally, Better than Ezra was a pretty legendary New Orleans band. I saw them at the Houston Rodeo cookoff on an outdoor stage and they fucking rocked everyone's asses off. I definitely hated "Good" and was a nonbeliever until then. I knew of them from "Good" which I loved as a teenager and that's it. One year, I think it was 09?, during Mardi Gras I ended up getting swept into a House of Blues where Better than Ezra was playing. Apparently Drew Brees and some Saints were there somewhere and the Lombardi Trophy made it's way to the stage. You think Mardi Gras is cool? Mardi Gras + Super bowl celebration of a Saints win that happened a week or so prior = Insanity. But I digress, probably. Listened to that song linked above and think it sucks.
July 29, 20214 yr On 6/7/2018 at 8:29 AM, irishtexan said: I absolutely think he's a bad artist. Don Henley writes self-indulgent soft-rock schlock that espouse all of the absolute shittiest values of the baby boomer generation. Boys of Summer included. BoS only kicks ass because Mike Campbell wrote the music. Don Henley is a shitty artist, and an even shittier human. #HotTakes #ComingInHot Saw him at Red Rocks back in the day and he wasted half of his 1.5 hour set talking politics. Fuck that guy.
July 29, 20214 yr 18 hours ago, Earl Haffler said: While not particularly a fan of his, did see him perform at a private function for work years ago and enjoyed it, but always liked Hazard and It Don't Mean Nothing.
July 29, 20214 yr On 6/5/2018 at 3:35 PM, jimmyjazz said: So enough talk about shitty songs, bad bands, etc. Share with me some good songs by artists who . . . weren't good. Basically, "yeah, I can't stand that band, but you know that ONE song was pretty great". This is tricky, because it forces the admission that maybe some horrible singer or band actually put 2 and 2 together one time and got 4. A couple of examples: What is it about Adams that galls your gizzards? I rather dig his Top40 hits.
July 29, 20214 yr Author 9 minutes ago, Underdog said: What is it about Adams that galls your gizzards? I rather dig his Top40 hits. Cheesy, populist crap sung by a guy who really isn't all that great a singer?
July 30, 20214 yr Britney Spears - Toxic Was actually written by a pop music dream team and originally "offered" to Kylie Minogue. All the sampling, guitar, etc. had nothing to do with the actual "artist." That said, Beyonce would have been perfect.I don’t know a single song of hers except this one and it’s a catchy pop tune and a GREAT video When I was a DJ as a freshman in college I take credit for being the first person in Dallas to play the Motels “Only the Lonely”, The Cars “Down Boys” and my submission here. CSBSoft Cell “Tainted Love”. The B side was a single called Memorabilia.
July 31, 20214 yr On 7/28/2021 at 2:27 AM, Rimbo said: "we're mad that the actress in our video became more famous than we are so we're going to act like fuckheads" Saw them in a group show at South Park Meadows in about 1994, which was good, because it was before the singer died. They played this song... which was good, because it was the only song of theirs that anyone knew.
August 1, 20214 yr On 7/28/2021 at 12:32 AM, 0xdeadbeef said: You crazy bro. You may not like Bryan Adams but there is no reality where he's a horrible singer or a 'bad band'. Top 10 singles across 3 decades, 5 top 10 albums, and a shitload of great songs. Cuts Like a Knife and Reckless are still listenable today. dude was in studio at 101 KLOL in Houston back in the '80s in the afternoon before his concert that night and sang 2 or 3 songs, fucking nailed them too.
August 5, 20214 yr On 7/29/2021 at 3:54 PM, jimmyjazz said: Cheesy, populist crap sung by a guy who really isn't all that great a singer? Sorry... let me totally redo this comment. Bryan Adams on the whole sucks. Not disagreeing. But I did see you use Bieber as an example and that's you showing your age. He has close to 10 great pop songs at this point. He's also one of the most impressive male vocalists since MJ - easily. But I know you're old school. That fantastic Kid Rock song bothers you so I'm sure Bieber as a whole would, too. Nothing wrong with that. We have different tastes. But try and expand your horizons 🙂 Edited August 5, 20214 yr by BarStella
August 5, 20214 yr But uh, check these. These are A list pop/EDM tracks. Bieber is stupid talented. Guy that people don't like and listen to? Sure. Bad artist? Fuck no.
August 5, 20214 yr This one too from this year I mean idc who you are if you can't get through that without rocking out a bit you live a sad, miserable existence. Edited August 5, 20214 yr by BarStella
August 5, 20214 yr On 7/31/2021 at 3:01 PM, Napoleon said: Saw them in a group show at South Park Meadows in about 1994, which was good, because it was before the singer died. They played this song... which was good, because it was the only song of theirs that anyone knew. Smashing Pumpkins and The Rev. I was at that show.
August 7, 20214 yr In no world, would/should anyone put Blind Melon in a "bad band" thread. this place amazes me sometimes.
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