August 17, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Okie State said: Back when we were looking it seems like Thermador had some decent package prices. Wolf/Subzero/Cove were more expensive. Both had significant supply chain delays. We're just in design phase now, so we have plenty of time to order what we want. Won't start construction until next June at the earliest.
August 17, 20223 yr We're just in design phase now, so we have plenty of time to order what we want. Won't start construction until next June at the earliest.Our range, oven, and dishwasher actually came too fast. Been sitting in the garage for a few months. Hopefully they work. The Subzero was going to take over a year, but we decided to just reuse our KitchenAid fridge for now.
August 18, 20223 yr One really cool thing that I haven't seen anywhere else: our ovens have racks on rollers. You can roll the rack out with a bigass dutch oven or turkey or something else large/heavy and just easily pick it right up without having to reach in and slide.I’ve got one of those for my top rack in the oven. They’re handy.
August 18, 20223 yr Just recently finished a new build. We went with Jenn Air and have been please so far!
August 18, 20223 yr A few things. The Thermador had the largest oven in the range/stove top combos we saw at 5.7 cu. ft. Rather then 2 ovens of the same size we wanted one really large oven and then the smaller steam oven. BTUs - the wolf 6 burners were 1 - 9k, 2- 15k, 2 -18k and 1 - 20k. The Thermador is 2 - 12.5k. 1 - 15k, 2 - 18k, 1 - 22k. More BTUs = more Power How much venting do you have for those BTUs?
August 18, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Okie State said: 15 hours ago, hornbri said: A few things. The Thermador had the largest oven in the range/stove top combos we saw at 5.7 cu. ft. Rather then 2 ovens of the same size we wanted one really large oven and then the smaller steam oven. BTUs - the wolf 6 burners were 1 - 9k, 2- 15k, 2 -18k and 1 - 20k. The Thermador is 2 - 12.5k. 1 - 15k, 2 - 18k, 1 - 22k. More BTUs = more Power How much venting do you have for those BTUs? It will be a large hood, it is going to have a dual blower that can do up to 1100 CFM.
August 18, 20223 yr 16 hours ago, TwiceHorn said: One really cool thing that I haven't seen anywhere else: our ovens have racks on rollers. You can roll the rack out with a bigass dutch oven or turkey or something else large/heavy and just easily pick it right up without having to reach in and slide. A bunch of the Thermador ovens have this now. It is a cool feature.
August 18, 20223 yr This may be of some import to you, but in several municipalities, new gas ranges are no longer allowed due to CO emissions, and potential health implications.https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/gas-stoves-are-worse-for-climate-and-health-than-previously-thought-180979494/ (That said, I'm not giving mine up-they'll have to pry my burned, crispy hands off of it) Edited August 18, 20223 yr by TeeDubya
September 5, 20223 yr Anyone have a steam oven? I am intrigued. We need to get over to the appliance showroom place here soon.
September 6, 20223 yr Anyone have a steam oven? I am intrigued. We need to get over to the appliance showroom place here soon. @deadshank has one and raves about it.
September 6, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Chewbacca said: Anyone have a steam oven? I am intrigued. We need to get over to the appliance showroom place here soon. 11 minutes ago, Okie State said: @deadshank has one and raves about it. Do it. Throw away your microwave.
September 6, 20223 yr I would have tried one, but our appliance budget was maxed out. I hate microwaves.
September 6, 20223 yr 8 hours ago, Chewbacca said: 10 hours ago, deadshank said: Do it. Throw away your microwave. Why? Extrapolate. See posts 24 and 27 in this thread.
September 6, 20223 yr 7 hours ago, deadshank said: See posts 24 and 27 in this thread. I have yet to explore all the features of our steam oven or our speed oven/microwave yet. I've used the steam feature on "quick clean" since I refuse to use any of the high heat self-cleaning features. But for all the benefits to the steam oven, I'm guessing it can't reheat leftovers in 2 minutes, right? I get many of the reasons a microwave is less than great, but when I'm in a hurry, I'm in a hurry.
September 6, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, dcbc said: I have yet to explore all the features of our steam oven or our speed oven/microwave yet. I've used the steam feature on "quick clean" since I refuse to use any of the high heat self-cleaning features. But for all the benefits to the steam oven, I'm guessing it can't reheat leftovers in 2 minutes, right? I get many of the reasons a microwave is less than great, but when I'm in a hurry, I'm in a hurry. Why are you in a hurry? The re-heating / steam-convection does not take that long and the finished product is vastly superior and won't rubberize your food.
September 6, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, deadshank said: Why are you in a hurry? The re-heating / steam-convection does not take that long and the finished product is vastly superior and won't rubberize your food. Two kids, a wife, two dogs, a job, a workout routine, need to get the car inspected, we just ran out of milk and eggs, I hit the snooze button. I could go on. I'll give it a go soon.
September 6, 20223 yr 22 hours ago, Chewbacca said: Anyone have a steam oven? I am intrigued. We need to get over to the appliance showroom place here soon. Anyone have an oven with Air Fryer capabilities? r.
September 6, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Nueces River Rat said: Anyone have an oven with Air Fryer capabilities? r. I saw an Electrolux with this setting at some point. Seems like Air fryers are just small convection ovens and vice versa. The convection setting on my oven crisps similarly to the air fryer, but with its smaller size, the air fryer heats up faster and is able to be a bit more focused. It looks like they make air fryer baskets for convection ovens. Seems like it would be a mess though. Edited September 6, 20223 yr by dcbc
September 7, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, dcbc said: I saw an Electrolux with this setting at some point. Seems like Air fryers are just small convection ovens and vice versa. The convection setting on my oven crisps similarly to the air fryer, but with its smaller size, the air fryer heats up faster and is able to be a bit more focused. It looks like they make air fryer baskets for convection ovens. Seems like it would be a mess though. I’ve seen them promoted in some ads and wondered how they worked. I haven’t been appliance shopping in a few years, save for a new Dishwasher, so I haven’t done a deep dive in the latest in ovens and range tops. But will be doing so in three years when we think we will be building a new home. Good tips here about going gas for range top and electric for ovens. I was getting ready to do gas for all.
September 8, 20223 yr Anyone have thoughts on griddle vs grill top for a 60" range? I had planned on going with a 24" griddle so I don't have to buy a Blackstone: But then I saw that some companies also make a 12" griddle and a 12" grill for that spot. Anyone have one with both? I'm wondering if a 12" grill or griddle is big enough? Might be nice to have the grill when I don't feel like firing up the BGE. I don't have a gas grill and don't plan on getting one.
September 8, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Chewbacca said: Anyone have thoughts on griddle vs grill top for a 60" range? I had planned on going with a 24" griddle so I don't have to buy a Blackstone: But then I saw that some companies also make a 12" griddle and a 12" grill for that spot. Anyone have one with both? I'm wondering if a 12" grill or griddle is big enough? Might be nice to have the grill when I don't feel like firing up the BGE. I don't have a gas grill and don't plan on getting one. I had this exact debate. We went with the first option primarily because I use my griddle much more often then I use my gas grill outside. My other thought was when I really want to grill something it is about being outside. If I have a need to char indoor a broiler or the open gas flame and a pair of tongs works just as well. my 2 cents.
September 8, 20223 yr Are the griddle/grill setups not such that you can hot swap whichever one you need, at the cost of buying multiple tops and storing ones not in use?
September 8, 20223 yr Another thought, some of those have a French Cook Top which is also a good choice.
September 8, 20223 yr Not a fan of indoor grills. Go drag your old Weber into the house. That’s what a indoor grill is like. Nasty. You have to clean immaculately and get rid of the grease.I don’t get the hatred of microwaves. They have a place in any kitchen, especially in families. A child can use it safely. Folks who refuse a microwave are the same folks that don’t have a TV. Or those that hide it in the cupboard. Jesus.
September 8, 20223 yr 31 minutes ago, Texzilla58 said: Not a fan of indoor grills. Go drag your old Weber into the house. That’s what a indoor grill is like. Nasty. You have to clean immaculately and get rid of the grease. I don’t get the hatred of microwaves. They have a place in any kitchen, especially in families. A child can use it safely. Folks who refuse a microwave are the same folks that don’t have a TV. Or those that hide it in the cupboard. Jesus. I hear you on the indoor grill, but doesn't a griddle make a similar mess? As for the microwave, we will have one but it will be in the pantry out of sight.
September 8, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, hornbri said: Another thought, some of those have a French Cook Top which is also a good choice. I can't figure out why the hell someone would want a French Cook Top. I even watched a video. Still don't get it. And it takes several minutes to get hot enough to cook on.
September 9, 20223 yr I can't figure out why the hell someone would want a French Cook Top. I even watched a video. Still don't get it. And it takes several minutes to get hot enough to cook on.I was intrigued by them, but yeah not really sure what the advantage is. They look cool though.
September 9, 20223 yr On 9/8/2022 at 2:05 PM, hornbri said: Another thought, some of those have a French Cook Top which is also a good choice. French cooktops aren't griddles though. They are single control flat tops where you move the cookware around the surface for different temps, the highest being over the large removable disk at the center of the surface. They often are made from different materials from griddles and intentionally are heated unevenly. The advantage is a gentler transfer of heat for cooking certain things that benefit form that and for keeping lots of things warm around the edges. Removing the center disk for a wok also is pretty cool. I wouldn't think most of us would have much use for it. Edited September 9, 20223 yr by dcbc
September 9, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, dcbc said: French cooktops aren't griddles though. They are single control flat tops where you move the cookware around the surface for different temps, the highest being over the large removable disk at the center of the surface. They often are made from different materials from griddles and intentionally are heated unevenly. The advantage is a gentler transfer of heat for cooking certain things that benefit form that and for keeping lots of things warm around the edges. Removing the center disk for a wok also is pretty cool. I wouldn't think most of us would have much use for it. I know it is not a griddle, it is also not a grill. I agree with your overall thought though, if you don’t know what one is or why you would use it then it is not for you. I know a one person who has one and someone building a kitchen with one so that type of person does exist.
September 25, 20223 yr Anyone have a Miele range? Went and looked again today and we really liked their 48 inch range.
September 25, 20223 yr I've got a Miele steam oven in the wall. We use it all the time. Really great for reheating previously smoked then frozen brisket and ribs. Did that twice this weekend when we had guests over and the resulting food taste perfect. Our range is a 48" Miele with double ovens. One is a speed oven and microwave, the other is just a traditional oven that rarely gets used. The bottom has a warming tray that we actually use a lot. Got rid of our microwave and toaster oven, so the counters all look tidy. Would not change a thing. We are thinking about doing the exact same. Separate steam oven and then the 48 inch with the speed/ microwave. How does the microwave work without a turntable? Does it heat evenly? Does the speed oven work as well as a standard convection oven?I think that combo, along with the griddle on the cooktop, checks all our boxes.
September 25, 20223 yr All the Miele stuff looks really nice. I just try and avoid electronics if I can. Seems like that's always the shit to break.
September 25, 20223 yr All the Miele stuff looks really nice. I just try and avoid electronics if I can. Seems like that's always the shit to break.Everything has electronics these days, unfortunately. I agree with you.
September 26, 20223 yr 19 hours ago, Chewbacca said: We are thinking about doing the exact same. Separate steam oven and then the 48 inch with the speed/ microwave. How does the microwave work without a turntable? Does it heat evenly? Does the speed oven work as well as a standard convection oven? I think that combo, along with the griddle on the cooktop, checks all our boxes. Microwave seems to works fine without turntable. The only thing we really microwave is easy mac for kids or the occasional pig in a blanket. Now that I think of it, my last microwave didn't turn either and it was fine. Speed oven works fine as does the convection. Steam oven is badass. I'm going to try making bread in it this week.
September 26, 20223 yr Everything has electronics these days, unfortunately. I agree with you. Exactly why I got the Blue Star. It's not for everyone though.Also the wall oven is electric with a touchscreen so hopefully it holds up.
September 26, 20223 yr 56 minutes ago, Okie State said: Exactly why I got the Blue Star. It's not for everyone though. Also the wall oven is electric with a touchscreen so hopefully it holds up. Bluestar does not do dual fuel ovens, do they?
September 26, 20223 yr Bluestar does not do dual fuel ovens, do they? I think I saw where they are coming out with one. Not sure if it's available yet.Just looked and they're 'coming soon'. They also look to have sealed burners which kind of defeats the purpose of getting a Blue Star which usually has open burners. Also also it adds a touch screen. I'd pass.
December 9, 20223 yr Well, fuck. Miele does not have service in the CO mountains. Looks like Bluestar still doesn't do dual fuel and we need to order soon. Gonna be Viking or Thermador, it seems.
December 9, 20223 yr Well, fuck. Miele does not have service in the CO mountains. Looks like Bluestar still doesn't do dual fuel and we need to order soon. Gonna be Viking or Thermador, it seems. It seems like I've read better reviews on Thermador than Viking, but I have no evidence to back that up.
December 9, 20223 yr It seems like I've read better reviews on Thermador than Viking, but I have no evidence to back that up.Gonna go back to the appliance place Saturday to figure it out. I'm just bummed about Miele. That was our first choice.
December 9, 20223 yr Gonna go back to the appliance place Saturday to figure it out. I'm just bummed about Miele. That was our first choice. Are there no independent service shops that will service it?
December 9, 20223 yr Are there no independent service shops that will service it?Nope. Have to be Miele certified because of the electronics and their only authorized servicer does not service the mountains. Wife called Miele and the service company yesterday.
December 10, 20223 yr On 12/9/2022 at 5:52 AM, Okie State said: On 12/8/2022 at 8:57 PM, Chewbacca said: Well, fuck. Miele does not have service in the CO mountains. Looks like Bluestar still doesn't do dual fuel and we need to order soon. Gonna be Viking or Thermador, it seems. It seems like I've read better reviews on Thermador than Viking, but I have no evidence to back that up. I've had Thermador dual fuel ranges in my last two homes and couldn't have been happier with both of them. They've both been bulletproof - knock on wood - and are great for cooking.
December 10, 20223 yr Bluestar is allowing orders for dual fuel ranges, so that might be the ticket. Maybe do a 48" Bluestar with a Miele steam oven. Wife loves the color options on the Bluestar, and it has the most BTUs for cooking, which matters at 9000 feet.
December 10, 20223 yr Bluestar is allowing orders for dual fuel ranges, so that might be the ticket. Maybe do a 48" Bluestar with a Miele steam oven. Wife loves the color options on the Bluestar, and it has the most BTUs for cooking, which matters at 9000 feet.Do they have service in your area? They're a relatively unknown brand and most appliance dealers looked at me like I was crazy when I asked for them.Or I guess you said that was a Miele thing where they required their guys to work on it.
December 11, 20223 yr Do they have service in your area? They're a relatively unknown brand and most appliance dealers looked at me like I was crazy when I asked for them.Or I guess you said that was a Miele thing where they required their guys to work on it.We still need to check on that, but sounds like it won't be an issue. Not like Miele.Bluestar is not unknown around here. All the high end appliance places carry them.
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