November 6, 20223 yr Author we didn't need him and urquidy is a very nice asset to still have According to the Astros transaction page, here are the players who have elected free agency: Aledmys Diaz Yuli Gurriel Christian Vazquez Rafael Montero Jason Castro Michael Brantley Still in limbo: Justin Verlander player option Will Smith club option Trey Mancini mutual option
November 6, 20223 yr The first thing you need to ask is Click gone? I would expect that to happen pretty quickly after the parade. No sense in prolonging it if that is the deal.
November 6, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, CycleTex87 said: The first thing you need to ask is Click gone? I would expect that to happen pretty quickly after the parade. No sense in prolonging it if that is the deal. I hope so. I mean I’m not going to be pissed if he’s back but we can do better with Stearns imo. Maybe Click comes back and finds some balls. This off-season is so very important for the next 3-6 years. We need someone to mail this and get it right- a caretaker guy would be a very bad thing right now. There are so many big decisions to be made.
November 6, 20223 yr Author id be curious to see what free agent relief pitchers they've scouted and think can work in our system
November 6, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said: I hope so. I mean I’m not going to be pissed if he’s back but we can do better with Stearns imo. Maybe Click comes back and finds some balls. This off-season is so very important for the next 3-6 years. We need someone to mail this and get it right- a caretaker guy would be a very bad thing right now. There are so many big decisions to be made. Apparently, he made a ballsy move to upgrade one of the weakest positions on the team and was over ruled, because of reasons. He also did something that Luhnow never understood or did, build an elite bullpen. It's crazy how Click really rebuilt the pitching staff from 2019 to 2022. The only pitchers that pitched on the 2019 team still with the club are Verlander, Valdez, Urquidy, Pressly, and Abreu. Pressly was the 5th bullpen option on that team. Edited November 6, 20223 yr by HtownHorn
November 6, 20223 yr Yuli situation depends completely on his knee rehab. I'd take his 2022 stats all day + postseason + still Gold Glove if he returns with all that in 2023. There's something about defense that lifts a team, saves runs. Also something magical about team chemistry which he provides. At worst, he's a backup 1B. Best to keep him, again depending 100% on medical.
November 6, 20223 yr I think there's only a 0.00001 chance of happening, but if you're Judge, why would you not want to come to Houston? Your chance of winning it all next year is about as high as it can get. Yes, he will get much not money elsewhere, but $35 million and probably a title, or $50 million and another close but no cigar? I think I take option #1.
November 6, 20223 yr after signing JV, how much remaining $ does Houston have to splurge? Will Crane be stingy? No baseball salary cap, will he go full blast?
November 6, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said: after signing JV, how much remaining $ does Houston have to splurge? Will Crane be stingy? No baseball salary cap, will he go full blast? We have plenty of room and Crane will spend. Biggest things are Bergman’s salary goes to $30m next year and Yordan goes up $7 million. We also have several players who will get big numbers in arbitration (Valdez, Stanek, Ted, and Javier). but otherwise we are in great shape for a defending champ. Edited November 6, 20223 yr by The Dog
November 6, 20223 yr Interesting article on Wilson Contreras to the Astros at the trade deadline: https://sports.yahoo.com/report-cubs-astros-had-willson-212041812.html Click was the odd man out in the voting process it looks like.
November 6, 20223 yr Author This says it all …. Baker told Passan. "I needed a guy that wasn't going to complain about not playing every day. And this is his [free agent] year. See, that's tough. When you trade for a player in his [free agent] year. Everybody's about numbers and stuff, and I can't blame them, no doubt. But that's not what we needed."
November 7, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, The Dog said: We have plenty of room and Crane will spend. Biggest things are Bergman’s salary goes to $30m next year and Yordan goes up $7 million. We also have several players who will get big numbers in arbitration (Valdez). but otherwise we are in great shape for a defending champ. I thought for luxury tax purposes Bregman's number doesn't change
November 7, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said: This says it all …. Baker told Passan. "I needed a guy that wasn't going to complain about not playing every day. And this is his [free agent] year. See, that's tough. When you trade for a player in his [free agent] year. Everybody's about numbers and stuff, and I can't blame them, no doubt. But that's not what we needed." This would be more logical if they hadn’t gone on to trade for a different catcher in his walk year.
November 7, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, rvm96 said: I thought for luxury tax purposes Bregman's number doesn't change It doesn’t. I use the luxury tax number in all my calculations. And Yordans number will be way bigger than 7M.
November 7, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, formermav43 said: This would be more logical if they hadn’t gone on to trade for a different catcher in his walk year. Indeed. This is what drives me crazy- there is no internal logic, that’s not what is happening. Vasquez is catcher #2 in FA alongside Contreras being catcher #1. They both are the Same in wanting to play everyday and then collect the biggest contract they can.
November 7, 20223 yr 13 minutes ago, rvm96 said: I thought for luxury tax purposes Bregman's number doesn't change 3 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said: It doesn’t. I use the luxury tax number in all my calculations. And Yordans number will be way bigger than 7M. Good points so we in great shape. let’s win another!
November 7, 20223 yr Not sure why they just didn't say we didn't want to trade Urquidy so we found another trading partner.
November 7, 20223 yr Just now, kevwun said: Not sure why they just didn't say we didn't want to trade Urquidy so we found another trading partner. Yeah. I mean, if JV comes back you want to trade him this off-season but 1/3 of a year of Contreras when you were committed to Maldy being the starter anyway seems like a really dumb deal.
November 7, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Wulaw Horn said: Yeah. I mean, if JV comes back you want to trade him this off-season but 1/3 of a year of Contreras when you were committed to Maldy being the starter anyway seems like a really dumb deal. Agreed. He’s worth more than a rental with his years of control.
November 7, 20223 yr I think they could get a decent prospect or a bullpen arm for Urquidy this winter. I guess Dusty was being nice instead of criticizing Click for overpaying for a part time catcher.
November 7, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, kevwun said: I think they could get a decent prospect or a bullpen arm for Urquidy this winter. I guess Dusty was being nice instead of criticizing Click for overpaying for a part time catcher. Prospect? We should get an MLB caliber everyday player for Urquidy. Career 4.7 WAR, middle of the rotation starter in the prime of his career with 3 years of team control. Edited November 7, 20223 yr by HtownHorn
November 7, 20223 yr 3 years of Urquidy for 2 months of Contreras, especially when Dusty wouldn't have played him, would have been Dave Stewart level atupid.
November 7, 20223 yr Author 49 minutes ago, formermav43 said: This would be more logical if they hadn’t gone on to trade for a different catcher in his walk year. Vasquez knew his role. I’ll guess a little bird told Dusty to avoid Contreras doenst matter, we didn’t need him. The cubs were dumb for not dumping him Edited November 7, 20223 yr by tx 3 putt
November 7, 20223 yr 58 minutes ago, formermav43 said: Agreed. He’s worth more than a rental with his years of control. Honestly if that was the extent of the deal Click struck I’m really fucking nervous about the idea of him making any decisions that aren’t middle reliever fetish stuff.
November 7, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Wulaw Horn said: Honestly if that was the extent of the deal Click struck I’m really fucking nervous about the idea of him making any decisions that aren’t middle reliever fetish stuff. Yeah, Luhnow made some bad deals and it happens to everyone, but that one alone is enough for make me think that it might be best for him not to come back.
November 7, 20223 yr 33 minutes ago, HtownHorn said: Prospect? We should get an MLB caliber everyday player for Urquidy. Career 4.7 WAR, middle of the rotation starter in the prime of his career with 3 years of team control. He’s a hard guy to move. He’s above average but not really really good. A bad tam doesn’t want him bc he’s not enough to be a true difference maker in turning them around- 3 years of club control are nice but might not be on the right time line, and a good team isn’t all that fired up about him because they probably believe they could do better. a prospect makes sense because that’s what most good teams trade when trying to improve their major league roster. He makes a ton of sense to me in Toronto. They have a ton of highly sought after catcher prospects. Get it done Stearns! Baltimore makes sense. Seattle. Maybe San Francisco. Maybe Arizona? They should be trying to get better and they have the connection with Strom. Cleveland might want to consider that he could be a budget #3 for them. He isn’t without value but it’s trickier than you think I bet.
November 7, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, WBT said: Yeah, Luhnow made some bad deals and it happens to everyone, but that one alone is enough for make me think that it might be best for him not to come back. It’s possible (and would be oh so Tampa bay of him) that there was also some prospects coming back our way and that didn’t get mentioned because the deal didn’t actually happen and nobody would have cared, but if not I could see why Crane would have been looking to move on.
November 7, 20223 yr Author 24-13 era 3.74 whip 1.09 that's pretty salty numbers. throw in 3 world series wins. he's the #2 starter on a lot teams, #3 on very good teams
November 7, 20223 yr 41 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said: 24-13 era 3.74 whip 1.09 that's pretty salty numbers. throw in 3 world series wins. he's the #2 starter on a lot teams, #3 on very good teams His ERA+ has gotten worse the more innings he pitches though minus his first year.
November 7, 20223 yr Also in regards to deadline deals from Click, I'm still surprised Odorizzi wasn't traded for a prospect or prospects.
November 7, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, tx 3 putt said: we didn't need him and urquidy is a very nice asset to still have According to the Astros transaction page, here are the players who have elected free agency: Aledmys Diaz Yuli Gurriel Christian Vazquez Rafael Montero Jason Castro Michael Brantley Still in limbo: Justin Verlander player option Will Smith club option Trey Mancini mutual option What would the number be on Will Smith? I think he can figure it out with spring training and a full season in our system. JV duh. I think Vazquez says thanks for the ring and goes back to Boston. I would resign Montero. Everybody else can walk. I might be interested in Yuli platoon with somebody cheap and not named Manicini. I think a Chas/Meyers platoon could work until Gilbert is ready. But they need to sign another outfielder that can play all 3 spots and hit.
November 7, 20223 yr 5 hours ago, tx 3 putt said: THE HOUSTON ASTROS 2022 OPENING DAY ROSTER / 2023 status PITCHERS (15) RHP Bryan Abreu - 2023 RHP Pedro Báez - gone, Martinez RHP Ronel Blanco - gone, Abreu RHP Luis Garcia - 2023 RHP Cristian Javier - 2023 RHP Phil Maton - gone, replace him with younger, cheaper arm RHP Rafael Montero - gone, Whitley or another rookie RHP Hector Neris - 2023 RHP Jake Odorizzi - gone, Hunter Brown RHP Ryan Pressly - 2023 RHP Ryne Stanek - ???? do you bring him back on maybe a 2 year deal ? LHP Blake Taylor - 2023 RHP José Urquidy - 2023 LHP Framber Valdez - 2023 RHP Justin Verlander - ???? might know this week CATCHERS (2) Jason Castro - gone, vazquez will get a bigger contract somewhere else. lee or diaz Martín Maldonado - 2023 INFIELDERS (6) Jose Altuve - 2023 Alex Bregman - 2023 Aledmys Díaz - gone, henssley ? Niko Goodrum - gone, dubon or another rookie. need a key swing man here, swiss army knife player here. eat up innings Yuli Gurriel - ??? abreu or rizzo or bring him back on smaller contract ? Jeremy Peña - 2023 OUTFIELDERS (5) Yordan Alvarez - 2023 Michael Brantley - ???? does he give us a discount ? Chas McCormick - 2023 Jose Siri - gone, jake or julks / leon / rookie ? Kyle Tucker - 2023 Stanek doesn't need to be brought back. He has one year of arbitration right?
November 7, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, tx 3 putt said: Contreas’ shitty defense would have driven the organization nuts. He’s a DH that can occasionally play catcher. He would have raised hell if he came to Houston to just DH. Edited November 7, 20223 yr by billfromlaketravis
November 7, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said: What would the number be on Will Smith? I think he can figure it out with spring training and a full season in our system. JV duh. I think Vazquez says thanks for the ring and goes back to Boston. I would resign Montero. Everybody else can walk. I might be interested in Yuli platoon with somebody cheap and not named Manicini. I think a Chas/Meyers platoon could work until Gilbert is ready. But they need to sign another outfielder that can play all 3 spots and hit. It's $13 million for Smith with a $1 million buyout. I would pay the buyout
November 7, 20223 yr Just now, rvm96 said: It's $13 million for Smith with a $1 million buyout. I would pay the buyout Yikes. Yeah I’m out at that number.
November 7, 20223 yr Author 2 minutes ago, rvm96 said: It's $13 million for Smith with a $1 million buyout. I would pay the buyout
November 7, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said: 24-13 era 3.74 whip 1.09 that's pretty salty numbers. throw in 3 world series wins. he's the #2 starter on a lot teams, #3 on very good teams Define very good team. 90 wins would be my cut line for that. that’s Houston, NYY, Cleveland, Toronto, Seattle, dodgers, Mets, Braves, Padres, Cards Who exactly from that group is he a number 3 for? Maybe Toronto, but they’ve got 2 other guys with more pedigree they are paying more for that had down years. Cards? I don’t know, maybe. He starts game 4 at best for most of them, but. It Braves or Yanks or Dodgers or us if everyone is healthy. He’s a great 5 for a really good team, a perfectly fine 4 if you want to win 95 or 100 games and probably a stretch as a #3
November 7, 20223 yr Author As of today, here's who will be back from the World Series roster: Pitching: -McCullers -Valdez -Javier -Garcia -Urquidy -Brown -Neris -Pressly -Abreu -Stanek Position: -Altuve -Peña -Bregman -Alvarez -McCormick -Tucker -Maldonado -Dubon -Hensley 19 players returning
November 7, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, rvm96 said: Stanek doesn't need to be brought back. He has one year of arbitration right? Yes. Maybe 2.
November 7, 20223 yr Author Not on the World Series roster but who contributed this year: Free agents: -Brantley and Castro Team control: -Maton -Meyers -Martinez -Lee (1 game) -Belak -Mushinski -Taylor -Paredes -Y. Diaz -Matijevic -Perez
November 7, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said: As of today, here's who will be back from the World Series roster: Pitching: -McCullers -Valdez -Javier -Garcia -Urquidy -Brown -Neris -Pressly -Abreu -Stanek Position: -Altuve -Peña -Bregman -Alvarez -McCormick -Tucker -Maldonado -Dubon -Hensley 19 players returning A little misleading on the pitching as Maton, Martinez and Taylor are all back so that gets you to 13 without even dealing with Montero and JV. Just shows : 1) how much pitching we had, and 2) how much work there needs to be done on offensive side of the ball.
November 7, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said: He’s a hard guy to move. He’s above average but not really really good. A bad tam doesn’t want him bc he’s not enough to be a true difference maker in turning them around- 3 years of club control are nice but might not be on the right time line, and a good team isn’t all that fired up about him because they probably believe they could do better. a prospect makes sense because that’s what most good teams trade when trying to improve their major league roster. He makes a ton of sense to me in Toronto. They have a ton of highly sought after catcher prospects. Get it done Stearns! Baltimore makes sense. Seattle. Maybe San Francisco. Maybe Arizona? They should be trying to get better and they have the connection with Strom. Cleveland might want to consider that he could be a budget #3 for them. He isn’t without value but it’s trickier than you think I bet. Yet the Cubs were ready to trade one of the best catchers in the majors for him.
November 7, 20223 yr Author rewatching the game, just hit me ..... with the new shifting rules, how far up can players ? how far into the grass can they go ? im 1000000000% against the new rules. if a team wants to put 7 players in LF, fucking let them
November 7, 20223 yr Players are apparently against it, too. It's dumb. I believe they have to have 4 on the dirt, 2 on each side of second base.
November 7, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said: Define very good team. 90 wins would be my cut line for that. that’s Houston, NYY, Cleveland, Toronto, Seattle, dodgers, Mets, Braves, Padres, Cards Who exactly from that group is he a number 3 for? Maybe Toronto, but they’ve got 2 other guys with more pedigree they are paying more for that had down years. Cards? I don’t know, maybe. He starts game 4 at best for most of them, but. It Braves or Yanks or Dodgers or us if everyone is healthy. He’s a great 5 for a really good team, a perfectly fine 4 if you want to win 95 or 100 games and probably a stretch as a #3 Nice, so according to you the team that played in the World Series from the National League wasn't a very good team because they finished with under 90 wins.
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.