January 3, 20232 yr 13 minutes ago, conVINCEd said: I’ve had to use it before and I haven’t taken a refresher course in 25 years. Chest compressions are no longer recommended? I recall reading that somewhere years ago. What? Mouth to mouth is no longer recommended, especially if one person is performing it. There’s enough air in the lungs, better to stay on compressions and keep blood flowing. Edited January 3, 20232 yr by Pato del Muerto
January 3, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, conVINCEd said: I’ve had to use it before and I haven’t taken a refresher course in 25 years. Chest compressions are no longer recommended? I recall reading that somewhere years ago. Chest compressions are absolutely recommended (unless the patient has a pulse). breaths are not necessarily (unless things have changed again)
January 3, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, TexArcher said: So was Wind River. Jeremy Renner is a badass. Dark ass movie. “But I knew that girl. She was a fighter. So no matter how far you think she ran... I can guarantee you she ran farther.”
January 3, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, ztejas said: Who's that? Are you talking about the guy from Hurt Locker? the bourne legacy guy
January 3, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: I think that's exactly what happened. The head coaches came together on field a second time, and seemed to agree it was time to head to the locker rooms. This was after the 5-minute "get ready" signal. That's exactly what happened. They said Fuck you we aren't doing it
January 3, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said: So do shoulder pads restrict the ability to properly perform cpr? I can see minutes frittering away as protective gear has to be removed. AED as well if there are metal components that might redirect the current. Shoulder pads are cut away very quickly in a situation like this. The CPR and the pad application from the AED would be straight to the skin. I was watching the game when this happened and immediately noticed the sense of urgency in the medical staff from both teams, then they showed the replay and showed him drop - classic appearance of sudden cardiac arrest. Commotio cordis is possible, but unlikely through shoulder pads. Either way, treatment is the same - defibrillation to restore normal rhythm and CPR until the defibrillator is successful.
January 3, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, ztejas said: Who's that? Are you talking about the guy from Hurt Locker? The villain from 2003 S.W.A.T.
January 3, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said: I thought I read he’s still intubated. Did I make that up in my head? If he is still intubated, it’s crazy to speculate ‘he should be ok’. Just pulling anything I find. This is your territory
January 3, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said: What? Mouth to mouth is no longer get recommended, especially if one person is performing it. There’s enough air in the lungs, better to stay on compressions and keep blood flowing. Thank you. I will get on updating my training as soon as I get my mom who just had knee replacement surgery back on her feet. 30 years ago the compressions and breaths were considered equally important.
January 3, 20232 yr Yep, I took a CPR course recently and was taught that you should focus on chest compressions, and try to get help as fast as possible, Also "Staying Alive" was mentioned as the beat to use. It's also exhausting to continually do chest compressions so it's good if more than one can take turns.
January 3, 20232 yr Popular Post 3 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said: Chest compressions are absolutely recommended (unless the patient has a pulse). breaths are not necessarily (unless things have changed again)
January 3, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said: So do shoulder pads restrict the ability to properly perform cpr? I can see minutes frittering away as protective gear has to be removed. AED as well if there are metal components that might redirect the current. I think you can cut the laces with trauma shears and get the pads out of the way pretty quickly.
January 3, 20232 yr Popular Post All I know is we have waaaay more doctors on this board than I thought before tonight. You mother fuckers lurk too much.
January 3, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, troph said: All I know is we have waaaay more doctors on this board than I thought before tonight. You mother fuckers lurk too much. Except for @ChiTownDoc, he posts too much. Kidding, he's alright for a Sooner
January 3, 20232 yr Popular Post 1 minute ago, troph said: All I know is we have waaaay more doctors on this board than I thought before tonight. You mother fuckers lurk too much. That's because the lawyers and engineers won't shut up.
January 3, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, troph said: All I know is we have waaaay more doctors on this board than I thought before tonight. You mother fuckers lurk too much. That's because the lawyers talk for a living
January 3, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, Porterhouse said: Unsubstantiated feelings are leading to emotional jimmyjazz conclusions. None of us know what was going on. Jesus Christ you’re fucking stupid. Go back and read the first 5 words of my post. After thinking about it for an hour, make sure your son and his buddies are no longer using the motel bathroom you have for the night, look into the mirror and say, “you’re fucking stupid.”
January 3, 20232 yr I referred to Booger's outstanding performance earlier in the thread. Both McFarland and Ryan Clark (now on ESPN) have been excellent. Ryan Clark is outstanding.
January 3, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, lilMAC25 said: I think you can cut the laces with trauma shears and get the pads out of the way pretty quickly. Basically cut the jersey (and through the pad laces) from belly button to sternum, then armpit to sternum and it and the pads come completely off
January 3, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said: what would NFL do if this was the Superbowl? I’d guess the same thing. But that game starts 4 hours earlier….
January 3, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, Doc Daneeka said: Dark ass movie. “But I knew that girl. She was a fighter. So no matter how far you think she ran... I can guarantee you she ran farther.” One the best movies in years.
January 3, 20232 yr haven’t read the whole thread, but my $0.02: My (biased) opinion - something like wpw or a channelopathy like Brugada or long qt syndrome. Remember reading that’s how Hank Gather and Reggie Lewis died if true he got cpr/defibrillated, 100% chance they’d tube him for airway protection. Probably nothing to do with his presenting sign, just for protection
January 3, 20232 yr Earlier someone posited that his pads might have protected him from serious blunt force trauma of the type that could cause heart abnormalities. Do modern pads like those worn by a defensive back protect that part of the chest? Seems to me they're pretty minimal (although effective for protecting the shoulders).
January 3, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, boilerhorn said: Ryan Clark is outstanding. He's always good. He might be winning an Emmy tonight. Just exactly what the moment needs.
January 3, 20232 yr One the best movies in years. Agreed. I should’ve said “bleak” rather than “dark,” though.
January 3, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, Trey3216 said: Basically cut the jersey (and through the pad laces) from belly button to sternum, then armpit to sternum and it and the pads come completely off Was hoping/expecting they were designed for such things, but good to read.
January 3, 20232 yr If nothing else, the PSA's cleverly say that chest compressions are to be administered to the beat of Staying Alive by the Bee Gees. I heard a story on it on NPR and doctors agree that the rhythm is correct, easy way to remember.
January 3, 20232 yr When I first saw the replay I was looking for signs of head trauma on impact (aside from the fact that the back of his head hit the ground after he collapsed), it was the type of tackle you see all the time. Your mind immediately goes to concussion, but it quickly turned into a cardiac event. It appears that he was able to get up momentarily while his brain was still oxygenated. Praying for that young man.
January 3, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, troph said: All I know is we have waaaay more doctors on this board than I thought before tonight. You mother fuckers lurk too much. Not a doctor. Did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. However, I did work as an athletic trainer for several years and currently work in cardiac rhythm management. Looked a crap-ton like sudden cardiac arrest. But what do I know?
January 3, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: Earlier someone posited that his pads might have protected him from serious blunt force trauma of the type that could cause heart abnormalities. Do modern pads like those worn by a defensive back protect that part of the chest? Seems to me they're pretty minimal (although effective for protecting the shoulders). You need an anatomy lesson if you don't think that covers the heart. And the fact that this only happens literally one in a million hits.
January 3, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, 'stache said: If nothing else, the PSA's cleverly say that chest compressions are to be administered to the beat of Staying Alive by the Bee Gees. I heard a story on it on NPR and doctors agree that the rhythm is correct, easy way to remember. And if you don’t know the song, it’s 100 bpm
January 3, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, 'stache said: If nothing else, the PSA's cleverly say that chest compressions are to be administered to the beat of Staying Alive by the Bee Gees. I heard a story on it on NPR and doctors agree that the rhythm is correct, easy way to remember. 'tis true. but harder to get the depth of compression right if it isn't something you do or keep up to date on a semi-frequent basis.
January 3, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: That's because the lawyers and engineers won't shut up.
January 3, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, ztejas said: Who's that? Are you talking about the guy from Hurt Locker? I think you're thinking of Entourage
January 3, 20232 yr I’ve got friends on both sides of the fence. Unfortunately one side started with the vax shitEvery fucking Twitter thread on this is FULL of anti-vaxxers gleefully (and incorrectly) jumping all over this….nevermind that sudden cardiac events, including those caused by impact, had been a known thing forever. I’ve had to use it before and I haven’t taken a refresher course in 25 years. Chest compressions are no longer recommended? I recall reading that somewhere years ago. Chest compressions are recommended. Stopping for Rescue Breaths in 1 person rescue is no longer recommended.Correct. One of our local judges is alive because his wife did serious chest compressions after a heart attack until EMS got there. She did them so hard she cracked ribs, and as I understand, best to err on the side of too hard. He's always good. He might be winning an Emmy tonight. Just exactly what the moment needs.He was great, just a great presence with genuine emotion and passion. It was meaningful to watch.I pray this young man is ok. I’ve seen too much death in recent days, and I’m not really able to sort it all out. I just want some good news.
January 3, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Vermin said: You need an anatomy lesson if you don't think that covers the heart. And the fact that this only happens literally one in a million hits. Thanks. Looks like better coverage than I remember from way back when I played in the NFL. Hence, the question.
January 3, 20232 yr 10 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: Earlier someone posited that his pads might have protected him from serious blunt force trauma of the type that could cause heart abnormalities. Do modern pads like those worn by a defensive back protect that part of the chest? Seems to me they're pretty minimal (although effective for protecting the shoulders). When reading up on commotio cortis, I noticed that it was said to occur primarily in young boys/teenagers given they're not fully physically developed. I would think that the shoulder pads and the extremely well developed physique of a NFL player would be a mitigant, but the force applied by a NFL RB is also a lot to take a direct hit with. Also editing to add what goes without saying, I am terrified for Hamlin, his family, and his teammates. Hoping for a miracle. Edited January 3, 20232 yr by gmr548
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