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#1803

Dodgers HAVE to be the odds on favorite for the NL pennant.  The AL is beastly, b7t we have to be the fav to get to the WS.

#1807
12 hours ago, Scraps said:

Good luck prying #13 away from Maximus Muncy!

Muncy actually gave him the #.   Kenly Jansen supposedly raising a tip fund for Muncy for being a badass and giving the # away 

#1808
51 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

Muncy actually gave him the #.   Kenly Jansen supposedly raising a tip fund for Muncy for being a badass and giving the # away 

Well isn't that cute

#1812
15 minutes ago, TheFlagship said:

Mejia to SD. The padres now have 3 of Keith Law’s top 6 prospects (Tatis, Mejia, Gore)

Good haul indeed. Indians never seem to mind paying big for relief pitchers, especially when they are not rentals.

#1814

I have said this before -- I think Mejia is going to be a perennial All-Star.

This is a huge return for a relief pitcher that our resident expert thinks is overrated.

 

Edited by Beau Vine

#1816
33 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

I think the Injuns know their window is short (see KC).  Push it all in and see what happens.

Agreed. Their run is going to be similar to that of KC and the Tigers. Few years of being contenders and then will fall off. Quickly. 

#1817

Lindor and Ramirez are under team control through 2022 though. Plus the Indians are a well run org (9th most wins in MLB since 2000), so I don’t see this as pushing in the chips for one run.

#1818

kluber, bauer, carrasco are also controlled for 2-3 more seasons as well.  it's only the back end of their bullpen that's about to be gone, and that's probably ok with indians fans right now.  doesn't seem like a short run/fall off a cliff situation.

#1819

Problem is they won't be able to resign all of Lindor, Ramirez, Kluber, Bauer, Carrasco and others.  So while their current window certainly isn't just a year it's most definitely 3-4 years.  At which point they will have to rebuild.  Their rebuild won't be a Cubs, Astros or Miami type rebuild but I doubt they are competing for anything in 5 years.

#1821
1 minute ago, DanRydell said:

So I guess Kyle Tucker wasn't an insane ask after all

Difference is Mejia is blocked by Gomes who is a solid catcher in his own right.

Tucker isn’t blocked by anyone. I think Astros fans would’ve been furious to give him up for 2 relievers.

#1822
2 minutes ago, DanRydell said:

So I guess Kyle Tucker wasn't an insane ask after all

you can ask for whatever you want.  it would've been an insane get, and never would've happened.

#1823

also the indians (much like the cubs with chapman) are coming from a position of great need - a closer (or more) and a long time since their last series win.  the astros bullpen is already very good, and we just won a world series without a closer.

#1824
10 minutes ago, txhorns said:

Problem is they won't be able to resign all of Lindor, Ramirez, Kluber, Bauer, Carrasco and others.  So while their current window certainly isn't just a year it's most definitely 3-4 years.  At which point they will have to rebuild.  Their rebuild won't be a Cubs, Astros or Miami type rebuild but I doubt they are competing for anything in 5 years.

they almost won the world series in 2016.  a 6 year window is pretty big.  i felt like the royals had a 3 year window with a 100% assured dropoff.  cleve won't resign all those guys, but i would assume some.

#1825
50 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

they almost won the world series in 2016.  a 6 year window is pretty big.  i felt like the royals had a 3 year window with a 100% assured dropoff.  cleve won't resign all those guys, but i would assume some.

yeah, agreed. as far as "windows" go the indians appear to be in the middle of one that's going to last longer than most.

#1826
19 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

yeah, agreed. as far as "windows" go the indians appear to be in the middle of one that's going to last longer than most.

And it still might be another 2-3 years before the AL Central is anything above complete garbage. Indians can make the post season every year by simply not having their plane crash. 

#1827
1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

they almost won the world series in 2016.  a 6 year window is pretty big.  i felt like the royals had a 3 year window with a 100% assured dropoff.  cleve won't resign all those guys, but i would assume some.

They need to get Lindor locked up ASAP.

#1828
4 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

They need to get Lindor locked up ASAP.

yeah, that guy is a face of a franchise, and the indians need to make sure it's their franchise right now.

#1829

Saw the Indians trade went down today. Was that a good deal? Hand is under control for a few years and has good stats. Seems kind of pricey. I just want to see them win one World Series before I die.

#1830
4 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

Saw the Indians trade went down today. Was that a good deal? Hand is under control for a few years and has good stats. Seems kind of pricey. I just want to see them win one World Series before I die.

They gave up a lot but as has been discussed they are pretty much in win now mode before their window closes.

#1831

yeah, if you're cleveland, coming into this season, you're not thinking trading for relief will be your primary deadline need, assuming there hasn't been a major injury (i know miller has been sidelined, but still was shitty before then).

#1832

they needed bullpen help in a bad way. i haven't seen the updated stats but i recall them having the worst bullpen era in the league earlier this year. and with that starting staff and that lineup...this was the move.

#1833

Damn, it did sound pretty expensive. Was hoping Hand was a bit better of a player, didn't realize he had a bad WAR, though maybe that's due to the supporting cast of the Padres. Hopefully he works out well enough to help them past the Red Sox or Yankees. 

#1834

Hand is a very good lefty reliever with a wipeout slider. he had a rough week or two just before the break, but from April 3rd - June 13th he was lights out.

Brad Hand Pitching Gamelogs for Career Games 247 to 276

Date Tm
per 162 games
Apr 3 to Jun 13, 2018 SDP
Date Tm G GS GF CG Rslt Dec DR IP H R ER BB SO HR HBP ERA BF BA OBP SLG OPS BAbip Pit Str StL StS GB FB LD PU Unk GSc IR IS SB CS PO AB 2B 3B IBB GDP SF ROE aLI WPA RE24 DFS(DK) DFS(FD)
per 162 games 69 0 53 0     4 74 35 19 12 32 114 5 10   291           1206             7 0   35   0 0 0 248 10 0 0 10 0 3   4.3 22.7 334 554
Apr 3 to Jun 13, 2018 SDP 30 0 23 0 26-4 W-L:1-2,Sv:21,BSv:1,Hld:3 1.5 32.1 15 8 5 14 50 2 4 1.39 128 .138 .260 .229 .489 .228 532 62% 22% 13% 1.00   30% 3% 0   15 0% 0 0 0 109 4 0 0 4 0 1 2.04 1.662 9.79 146.95 244.00
#1836
9 hours ago, Trey3216 said:

Muncy actually gave him the #.   Kenly Jansen supposedly raising a tip fund for Muncy for being a badass and giving the # away 

bro what happened 

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#1838

Honestly for this year, Cimber is a great pickup. The Yankees, Astros and Sox are all very right handed heavy and Cimber is holding RH’s to a .207/.221/.261 slash line with an absurd 62% GB rate. He has a great sinker. 

Lefties have mashed him though.

#1839
5 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

I have said this before -- I think Mejia is going to be a perennial All-Star.

This is a huge return for a relief pitcher that our resident expert thinks is overrated.

 

Cimber adds a lot of value to that deal.  Service clock just started this season and he looks like he could be one of the most dominant relievers in the league against RHB.  

#1840

 

1 hour ago, thestud said:

Giving up your top prospect for a guy with a career record of 18-37, 3.84 ERA, and a negative WAR this season seems a bit steep.

Yeah, they should have gone after a closer with a better W-L record. 

 

#1842

lmao career ERA.  How Hand performed for the Marlins (where he was also a starter) has little bearing on his value to the Indians. 

Edited by Fozzz

#1845
So did that set the market for kela?  Only real similarity is club controlled end of bullpen guy. 

Doubtful.
Indians are so desperate.
They had to be out front ...and had to overpay to make sure that happened
#1846

Oh I missed the Cimber guy being in the deal. Well that makes it better, 2 bull pen pitchers that are better than what they got now for the most part. The last game I watched was one where they were up like 4-0 for 8 innings, then they pull Bauer and gave up 7 runs in the 9th. Pretty sad to see, probably just a fluke, but seemed very Ken Giles-ish. Plus, the Indians need more cost-controlled assets, they don't have the market to keep a lot of the guys coming up for renewal in 2-4 years. 

#1848

His advanced metrics are amazing.  It's gonna take a top 5 prospect to get the Astros to part with him.

Edited by kevwun

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