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#3601
Trump indictment says on two occasions in 2021, he showed classified documents to others -- one was the July recording CNN reporting referenced and the other was August or September 2021 when he showed people without clearances "a classified map related to a military operation."

 

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#3602
Nauta texted Trump employee 2: “I opened the door and found this…” and attached two photos of the spill. Employee replied “Oh no oh no” and “I’m sorry potus had my phone”. One of the photos showed visible classified information. Trump’s unlawful retention of this doc is count 8.

 

#3603
4 minutes ago, Pancho said:
The Trump indictment says Trump stored boxes containing classified info in "a ballroom, a bathroom & a shower, an office space, his bedroom and a storage room." These were docs from the CIA, Pentagon, NSA, Geospatial Intelligence, National Reconnaissance Office, Energy and…

 

 

we know he wouldn't have stored them in the gym because he doesn't know where that is

#3608
7 minutes ago, Pancho said:
The Trump indictment says Trump stored boxes containing classified info in "a ballroom, a bathroom & a shower, an office space, his bedroom and a storage room." These were docs from the CIA, Pentagon, NSA, Geospatial Intelligence, National Reconnaissance Office, Energy and…

 

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Well at least he didn't store them in his garage next to his corvette.

#3609
3 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

It's not so much the jail cell, as it is how that steel door slams.

Clearly you haven't been in the old Uvalde city jail. 

#3610

I am sure this is pretty normal and no conflict of interest 

In Feb 2018, 3 Miami judges & prosecutors met w/ Trump White House about possible nomination to federal court seats in South Florida. One was a big supporter of Sen Marco Rubio and Miami’s GOP mayor All three were confirmed. Any of the 3 Trump-appointees could get Trump case

 

#3611

I think the 6th paragraph of the indictment is really quite a start to the whole thing (emphasis and bolding from the original indictment, not added by me):

6. On two occasions in 2021, TRUMP showed classified documents to others, as follows:

a. In July 2021, at Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey ("The Bedminster Club"), during an audio-recorded meeting with a writer, a publisher, and two members of his staff, none of whom possessed a security clearance, TRUMP showed and described a "plan of attack" that TRUMP said was prepared for him by the Department of Defense and a senior military official. TRUMP told the individuals that the plan was "highly confidential" and "secret." TRUMP also said, "as president I could have declassified it," and, "Now I can't, you know, but this is still a secret"

b. In August or September 2021, at The Bedminster Club, TRUMP showed a representative of his political action committee who did not possess a security clearance a classified map related to a military operation and told the representative that he should not be showing it to the representative and that the representative should not get too close.

#3612
BREAKING: Former Pres. Trump has been charged with 37 counts in classified documents probe. Read the full indictment: https://t.co/eZfB8o9axk

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#3613

If I was in the military or supported our troops and I had a consistent value system, it seems like I wouldn’t like this very much at all.

#3614
42 minutes ago, Satchel said:

One legal expert last night called the Trusty bunch nor ready for prime time, said they were “D leaguers” and would need to be replaced by A list trial lawyers. Seems he was right.

Normally if you are on D listers and look to replace them, you are going down the alphabet, not up it.  Who chooses D when A-C are available to them?

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#3615

Man, it's bananas a man that stupid can be elected President

#3616
1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Normally if you are on D listers and look to replace them, you are going down the alphabet, not up it.  Who chooses D when A-C are available to them?

The guy who shows classified military documents to random people to impress them?

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#3617
1 hour ago, Born to Run said:
2 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:
Like this:
Love me two times, baby
Love me twice today
Love me two times, girl
'Cause I got AIDS
Love me two times, baby
Once for tomorrow
Once cause I got AIDS

Pretty food Jim Morrison impression there.

I hope he has a good sense of humor and doesn't take me to court.

(which somehow wound up bringing us back to the topic at hand...)

#3619
1 minute ago, G650 said:

Man, it's bananas Americans can elect a man that stupid 

fify

#3620
2 minutes ago, G650 said:

Man, it's bananas a man that stupid can be elected President

Possibly twice.

#3622

31 counts of Willfull Retention of National Defense Information (18USC 793(e))
1 count of Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice (18USC 1512(k))
1 count of Withholding a Document or Record (18USC 1512(b)(2)(A), 2)
1 count of Corruptly Concealing a Document or Record (18USC 1512(c)(1), 2)
1 count of Concealing a Document in a Federal Investigation (18USC 1519, 2)
1 count of Scheme to Conceal (18USC 1001(a)(1), 2)
2 counts of False Statements and Representations (18USC 1001(a)(2), 2)

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#3623
54 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Absolutely think it was the saudis. They are some of the only people brazen enough to probably ask for it. 

Definitely.  They don’t hide their ambitions, and why should they, they can hack up a journalist in an embassy and get away with it.

#3624
Trump and a “Trump family member” directing Nauta which boxes of documents they wanted to bring to Bedminster to conceal from govt investigators seeking them at MAL.

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#3625
2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

31 counts of Willfull Retention of National Defense Information (18USC 793(e))
1 count of Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice (18USC 1512(k))
1 count of Withholding a Document or Record (18USC 1512(b)(2)(A), 2)
1 count of Corruptly Concealing a Document or Record (18USC 1512(c)(1), 2)
1 count of Concealing a Document in a Federal Investigation (18USC 1519, 2)
1 count of Scheme to Conceal (18USC 1001(a)(1), 2)
2 counts of False Statements and Representations (18USC 1001(a)(2), 2)

Is his disclosure of the materials to a third-party without clearance implicit in one of these counts? I figured it would be its own more serious crime. 

#3626

Would he accept a plea deal where he avoids jail but agrees to never run for public office again? Probably better make that his immediate family as well.

#3627
1 minute ago, 'stache said:

Is his disclosure of the materials to a third-party without clearance implicit in one of these counts? I figured it would be its own more serious crime. 

A quick google of the statute cited in the indictment shows that IS the charge being specified:

(e)

Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
#3629
Just now, Red Five said:

Would he accept a plea deal where he avoids jail but agrees to never run for public office again? Probably better make that his immediate family as well.

Trump admit fault in a high profile case ro the nation that makes him appear weak? He won't admit shit ever and he'll win the nomination.

#3630
2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Would he accept a plea deal where he avoids jail but agrees to never run for public office again? Probably better make that his immediate family as well.

it's gotta be. there's no way that man can ever come close to that much power again. we won't survive it

#3632
5 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Would he accept a plea deal where he avoids jail but agrees to never run for public office again? Probably better make that his immediate family as well.

Scorpion and frog.

#3633

 

Dept of: Built in lab to humiliate the Repubs who raced to defend Trump https://t.co/Bvp4zjhGEI

 

#3634
12 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Would he accept a plea deal where he avoids jail but agrees to never run for public office again? Probably better make that his immediate family as well.

Hell no. That would never be offered and be a political outcome. 

If he did the crime, then he'll do the time. And I look forward to further indictments on Jan. 6 and his call to Georgia.

Don't drop the soap Donnie.

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#3637
4 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

 

Dept of: Built in lab to humiliate the Repubs who raced to defend Trump https://t.co/Bvp4zjhGEI

 

"I'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG!!"

#3638
9 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

it's gotta be. there's no way that man can ever come close to that much power again. we won't survive it

ANY (wo)man who becomes President. Nip this type of shit in the bud and set a precedent. 

#3639
2 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

Kicked the lawyers to the curb

 

In a Truth Social post, Donald Trump confirms our earlier reporting that Todd Blanche is representing him in special counsel matters now as well as in the New York state prosecution. Previously: https://t.co/rqltUT4tvA

 

 

a firm to be named later?  Like with a mlb trade?

#3640

Well, several things I was wrong on.

First, this was filed in West Palm Beach, not Miami, and that was a reportage error.  That is, however, the most correct venue for this case, so good on Smith for that.

Second, the "criminal cover sheet" does not designate this as related to the prior special master case.  That seems a little iffy, but maybe civil and criminal cases are never "related" for this purpose.

Finally, it looks like this might have been randomly assigned to Cannon.  Or, the clerk's office may have assigned it as a related case, because it's the warrant magistrate, Reinhart.  There are three magistrates in WBP and the likelihood of both Cannon and Reinhart being assigned randomly seems slim.

And, it appears that Cannon is available for assignment to cases outside Fort Pierce.  

This will be interesting.

And, on facts like these, and I virtually guarantee that there is nothing in that indictment that Jack Smith isn't ready to prove to the hilt right this second, I don't think he's scared of any judge, especially not Aileen Mercedes Cannon.

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#3641
6 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Why would the lawyers of an innocent person just suddenly quit ?

If I'm Trump's attorney and I see this indictment, I also tender my resignation.
Trump’s lawyers read the indictment and immediately quit.

 

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#3644

A buddy of mine who got some clearances in the Air Force noticed that in the indictment some of the classifications themselves are redacted - which (in his opinion) is probably an indicator of Sensitive/Compartmentalized Information (SCI) being included in this as well. (His speculation is that) It probably is something along the lines of human intelligence from in-theatre somewhere

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#3645

Some people need to line up to be served their crow for doubting both Merrick Garland and Jack Smith.

#3646
21 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Is his disclosure of the materials to a third-party without clearance implicit in one of these counts? I figured it would be its own more serious crime. 

I can't claim an exhaustive knowledge of the "espionage" statutes, but 18 USC 793 doesn't require disclosure to anyone.

The next one, though, 18 USC 794, requires this:

to communicate, deliver, or transmit, to any foreign government, or to any faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country, whether recognized or unrecognized by the United States, or to any representative, officer, agent, employee, subject, or citizen thereof

And it is a capital offense.

So, showing it to some randomite that isn't a foreign government or citizen thereof, doesn't seem to make things any worse.

#3648
22 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

Trump admit fault in a high profile case ro the nation that makes him appear weak? He won't admit shit ever and he'll win the nomination.

Would he have to? /not a lawyer

There's probably a 35% chance he's elected president again in 18 months. I think it would make sense to first take away his get out of jail free card. 

#3649

I don't want to hear any more shit about Biden's garage.  Who the fuck stores boxes of anything like that in their bathrooms?

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