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#17701
29 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

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Perchance?

 

they should let E. Jean Carroll walk through Mar-a-Lago and point at things and go "that's mine now"

 

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#17703
1 minute ago, Bullneck said:

Perchance?

 

they should let E. Jean Carroll walk through Mar-a-Lago and point at things and go "that's mine now"

 

Bad idea.  Someone could PPV the broadcast and I guarantee it would cover the bill.

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#17704

The hits keep coming …

Now Trump will have to pay Rudy’s creditors since his unpaid legal fees to Rudy are one of Rudy’s assets in his bankruptcy. Just keeps getting better. https://t.co/UkdJLNyc45

 

#17706
1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

I mean.....there's also this.

Seriously, I don't even know how the law handles serial, continuing defamation once there's already been a trial and verdict.

If you call me a pedophile who rapes my own kids, and I sue and get punitives of $10 million....and the minute after the verdict, you go outside and say Brisket is still a pedophile who rapes his own kids.....then that's a new tort.  The falsity of which has already been established in the first case.  So....I file suit again, and get a whole new bite at the punitive damages apple.  All.  Day.  Long.

See, for instance, the Georgia election workers.

#17708
10 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

I guess I don’t see it as close a question as you’ve suggested. This reminds me of when the 11th circuit judge I clerked for swore me in to the bar (twice), he read me the oath, he repeated the part about candor two or three times. 
 

(He was a hell of a guy)

Sorry to derail, but why did you get sworn in twice? 

#17711
21 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

The hits keep coming …

Now Trump will have to pay Rudy’s creditors since his unpaid legal fees to Rudy are one of Rudy’s assets in his bankruptcy. Just keeps getting better. https://t.co/UkdJLNyc45

 

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#17712
31 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


 

 

Yes and no.  As Twice noted, this case depends on the underlying case that found that defamation occurred, which IS on appeal and has actual appellate grounds.  If that case is reversed, then this one is toast too.  But on its own....yeah, not much chance for reversible error in this specific case.

#17713
48 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


 

 

oh that's beautiful:

"For example, she kept saying 'no objection' as exhibits were entered into evidence.

"It appeared to me that she was saying that because she that's something she had heard real lawyers say before."

#17714
4 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

oh that's beautiful:

"For example, she kept saying 'no objection' as exhibits were entered into evidence.

"It appeared to me that she was saying that because she that's something she had heard real lawyers say before."

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#17715
2 hours ago, yoladu said:

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#17716

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Question answered in another post.

#17717
2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

As mentioned above, there is an appeal of the first verdict ongoing.  From what I read it is not the usual borderline frivolous Trump bullshit that is easily dismissed.  Someone that is a more seasoned/sophisticated appellate practitioner will have to opine on that.  Maybe Carroll's brief will make me feel better about it.

But if that appeal works, the first verdict will be undone and this one will go right along with it as it is premised on the first one being "law of the case" that decided many of the issues.  The whole shootin match will have to be retried, if Carroll chooses to do that and the witness list for her may be quite different.

This was an amendment to add more allegations to up the damages, which is why law-of-the-case would apply, correct?  But law of the case wouldn't apply to a subsequent suit, if I'm remembering it correctly.  But I suppose you could admit the prior judgment as evidence in support of the truth of the statement that she'd been raped so as to prove the falsity of the ongoing denials.  It seems like an awkward process going forward.

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#17718
39 minutes ago, dcbc said:

She already had a trial, verdict, and damages.  This was a second damages hearing based on statements he made after the first one, right?

Curiously, both before and after. 

This case started as pure defamation because the sexual assault claims were barred by limitations.  The defamation alleged occurred when he was president and got bogged down in Westfall Act/immunity litigation and appeals. 

She filed a second suit alleging sexual assault and out of office defamation and that is the one that went to trial. New York revived barred sexual assault claims for one year, allowing them to be brought. 

The appeal mandate in favor of Carroll on the Westfall Act issues came down during or after the verdict in the first trial,which could not consider the 2019 defamatory statements. 

I suppose to some extent because the very first defamatory statements were excluded from Carroll I, and they usually inflict the most damage, that may explain the moderate award in the first trial and the fairly jumbo one here.  

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#17719
2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Does Junior have a Plan B if there’s no inheritance?

 

 

He definitely has a plan C.  

#17720
36 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 As Twice noted, this case depends on the underlying case that found that defamation occurred, which IS on appeal and has actual appellate grounds.  If that case is reversed, then this one is toast too.  

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#17723
9 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

He definitely has a plan C.  

I thought that was Hep C

#17724
9 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Because he was inverted 

coughBullshitcough

#17725
2 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 He hates more than anything to look like a loser and today he’s all over TV looking like a loser. 

Oh? You should tune in to FoxNews. They were talking about the border when I flipped over. 
 

I wonder if the average maga cultist is even aware of today’s events. 

#17726
49 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

oh that's beautiful:

"For example, she kept saying 'no objection' as exhibits were entered into evidence.

"It appeared to me that she was saying that because she that's something she had heard real lawyers say before."

I've never had to wonder this before, but is there any form of "structural error" based on an argument of denial of procedural due process in a civil case that would not have to be preserved.  I've never seen an argument of structural error in civil cases.  Those lawyers tend to appeal trials where trial counsel was competent enough to make specific objections and get rulings.  If Habba dabba didn't preserve anything, I could see an appellate lawyer trying that if it even works in a civil case, if only to try to run out the clock on November on the off chance he wins, declares defamation the preferred form of speech, and turns the West Wing into one of those automated McDonalds.

#17727
Chickens coming home to roost on the mfers who use social media and TV to defame and damage other people. Alex Jones, Rudy Guiliani and now Donald Trump.  Wheels of justice often run slow but people need to realize that their words can have consequences.
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#17728
Be Best. https://t.co/uiPoZgjQzm
Once again, oh my god.

 

#17730
10 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:
Be Best. https://t.co/uiPoZgjQzm
Once again, oh my god.

 

 

In addition to the judgment, Trump should have to build her a ramp, like Richie had to do for Beanzie.

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#17733
7 minutes ago, Born to Run said:
3 hours ago, Bullneck said:
 
 

He is not paying you, dear.

He's likely paying her at least $5M.  Under the strange procedural circumstances, I wonder if they could move to increase the supercedeas bond?  Or are they stuck with the one they have.

#17735
2 minutes ago, dcbc said:

He's likely paying her at least $5M.  Under the strange procedural circumstances, I wonder if they could move to increase the supercedeas bond?  Or are they stuck with the one they have.

Well, I think this would be a separate appeal of a separate judgment and require a separate bond in the amount of judgment.

Going to be a bit tougher to post this one.  Does Carroll dare attempt to collect pending appeal?

#17736
28 minutes ago, yoladu said:

Oh? You should tune in to FoxNews. They were talking about the border when I flipped over. 
 

I wonder if the average maga cultist is even aware of today’s events. 

I stand corrected. Jesse Watters is interviewing throuples now. 

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#17737
2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, I think this would be a separate appeal of a separate judgment and require a separate bond in the amount of judgment.

Going to be a bit tougher to post this one.  Does Carroll dare attempt to collect pending appeal?

I think that was already covered somewhere above, but yeah, I think it's a separate bond for each appeal. that's why everyone is chuckling over the fact that if he keeps yapping he'll get dragged right back to court. and she'll collect the money. 

what does she have to lose at this point? she's already a target of the maga hoard. if she's the one to actually bring him down, she'll be a heroine. funny thing is, if it's not her it's likely another woman along the way that will.

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#17739
4 hours ago, yoladu said:

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Alina's hand bigger than Trump's.

I'll say it twice.

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Damn they big. The hands.

#17740
25 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, I think this would be a separate appeal of a separate judgment and require a separate bond in the amount of judgment.

Going to be a bit tougher to post this one.  Does Carroll dare attempt to collect pending appeal?

That's what I figured.  So does the $5M bond posted to appeal the judgment on liability and initial damages apply to her ability to recover the "amended" amount?  Probably?

#17741
3 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

I don't give a fuck. I spent a day and a half inside a 2 man cell (part time) with 5 other guys 

Damn, Old-Timer. Respeck.

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#17742
13 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Alina's hand bigger than Trump's.

E. Jean Carroll has more balls than 80% of the Republican Congress……fact!

#17743
3 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

I don't give a fuck. I spent a day and a half inside a 2 man cell (part time) with 5 other guys for an unpaid no liability insurance traffic ticket in The Land Of The Free apologizing to the guy sleeping on floor whose face was closest to the toilet while I was peeing when I was poor as fuck and it's nauseating seeing this fuckstick know he's only subject to his VIP Civil code of goddamn law and quite confident he'll never experience the same even though he should be rotting in Guantanamo. 

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#17744
22 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I think that was already covered somewhere above, but yeah, I think it's a separate bond for each appeal. that's why everyone is chuckling over the fact that if he keeps yapping he'll get dragged right back to court. and she'll collect the money. 

what does she have to lose at this point? she's already a target of the maga hoard. if she's the one to actually bring him down, she'll be a heroine. funny thing is, if it's not her it's likely another woman along the way that will.

I haven't paid close enough attention to this from a procedural standpoint.  And the idea of two separate damages trials stemming from one liability finding already is making my head hurt.  Or that might be the shingles vaccine I got earlier.

#17745
15 minutes ago, dcbc said:

I haven't paid close enough attention to this from a procedural standpoint.  And the idea of two separate damages trials stemming from one liability finding already is making my head hurt.  Or that might be the shingles vaccine I got earlier.

You slept with South Austin‘s mom, too?

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#17746

Trump can pay his judgment from that $250 million he collected after he lost…..to battle election fraud, or he could reopen Trump University.

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#17747
4 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It will not.  You could have video evidence of the most despicable sex crimes and it would be minimized as his “locker room phase” by the MAGA faithful.  

 

That's mighty Baptist of them.

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#17748
At the rate this is going, Melania is going to have to marry E. Jean Caroll to get any of Donald's money. 😂

 

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#17750

Whew.  Glad Rudy was able to clear it up for everyone.

 

 

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