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35 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Andrew Jackson was about as racist as you could get.

 I mean, compared to the people of his day?  I'm guessing he was about on par.

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6 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

 

I hadn't thought of Reconstruction in decades. 

You are missing out man! There's been a big battle between historians on the end date or possible extension of Reconstruction into the Gilded Age based on historiographical points of view. I think ESPN is going to show some of the speeches at AHA Annual Meeting next year!

Larry the Cable guy could host!

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

 I mean, compared to the people of his day?  I'm guessing he was about on par.

Visiting The Hermitage in Nashville on a hot day in 2019 was quite the trip. At the entrance they had a "save the $20" where you could donate to the cause to maintain Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill. After that you can walk right over to look into the hot stuffy dirt floored slave quarters where families were packed in as they could gaze upon the huge relatively comfortable mansion that Jackson had built. Civil religion is a hell of a drug.

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15 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

I will add this, I think George W Bush was the worst 2 term President in history, and the funny thing is, I don't think he's all that bad a guy.  I disagree with him on a bunch, but more or less he was just a simpleton that should have never been anywhere near the Presidency.  He's sort of fortunate in that we've had so much crazy shit since him people tend to forget.  The subtitle to any book about him should be the following, "One disaster after another".  

Trump makes W look like an altruistic genius.

18 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Pos rep, but I think debasing yourself to the level where you morally justify enslaving other people and treating them as less than fully human is the key to what makes the South the South.

I hadn't thought of Reconstruction in decades. I wonder if we'd just have largely the same South with a better economy. 

Great watch on Reconstruction and how it reverberates today...

2 minutes ago, locodos said:

Great watch on Reconstruction and how it reverberates today...

Thanks. I've bookmarked it for later.

1 minute ago, locodos said:

Great watch on Reconstruction and how it reverberates today...

Whoa, I mentioned David Blight in the Israel thread yesterday. He's always a good time.

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Andrew Jackson was about as racist as you could get.

As was the custom at the time

5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

As was the custom at the time

Trump should steal his "It is a damn poor mind that can think of only one way to spell a word" next time people make fun of his spelling. His rubes would eat it up as much as Jackson's rubes did. There'd be Walmart scooter patrons in shirts and bumper stickers on F350s the very next day.

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1 hour ago, kevwun said:

Buchanan was pretty terrible also. He didn't even bother to try to stop the Civil War from happening.

Buchanan may have been the bottom.

Buchanan may have been the bottom.

He built a pretty nice little lake though, I tell u wut.
1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:


He built a pretty nice little lake though, I tell u wut.

I think  it’s spelled hwut 

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1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

 hadn't thought of Reconstruction in decades.

Busy with the Roman Empire?

I listened to this last week, so this hits close to home. 

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48 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Thanks. I've bookmarked it for later.

Watch through 24...   But the whole course is fantastic.  He's a great lecturer

1 hour ago, SimonBolivar said:

Whoa, I mentioned David Blight in the Israel thread yesterday. He's always a good time.

I could listen to him read fast food menus.   He's a great speaker

Looks like the first smackdown of Aileen is on deck:

 

Wow I’m shocked 

6 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

1:28AM.  At the very least, I know that orange cunt is freaking the fuck out.  I still don't think he'll ever get his just due, but at least he's scared. 

 

Doesn't even need to be his just due; they got Capone on tax evasion. It wasn't but a fraction of what he deserved, but it was enough to do the job.

 

5 hours ago, locodos said:

I like that he feels victimized.

I know we *might* have had worse Presidents, but have we ever had a whinier bitch in the oval office?

 

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Andrew Jackson was about as racist as you could get.

2 hours ago, kevwun said:

Buchanan was pretty terrible also. He didn't even bother to try to stop the Civil War from happening.

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

Thanks. I've bookmarked it for later.

I've always thought of Trump as a modern-day Andrew Jackson, but both worse and stupider. As for whether or not he's worse than Buchanan, let's just say the jury's still out. He's not quite worse than Buchanan... yet.

If he gets jailed/dies and his movement ends, it becomes a more interesting discussion; if not... I don't think Buchanan "wins" this one.

And definitely bookmarked that lecture for later.

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Wow I’m shocked 

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2 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Looks like the first smackdown of Aileen is on deck:

 

I'll have to look deeper, but the quoted sections aren't precisely at odds.

One of the things the defense has to show is how relevant classified information is to the defense and what level of disclosure is required.  Which means exposing defense theories and theories that may not be the trial theory.  So, Cannon seems to be permitting an ex parte hearing where the defense can explain their theories, why classified information is needed to support or prove them and thus that it is entitled to some level of disclosure of and use of classified materials at trial.  For fairly obvious reasons, they don't necessarily want the government to be privy to that discussion, and that's legit.

Whereas, Chutkan is saying, in different context, apparently, that there cannot be a non-ex-parte hearing where classified evidence is discussed in detail (ex parte meaning one side or the other, only).

But, if she fucks up CIPA, I'm all for the interlocutory appeal the gubmint gets and maybe a reassignment to a more experienced judge.

Strange how cannon’s bad/questionable rulings seem to favor trump.  Curious even. 

8 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Strange how cannon’s bad/questionable rulings seem to favor trump.  Curious even. 

He’s viciously attacked every single judge except Cannon

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

He’s viciously attacked every single judge except Cannon

and as irony would have it, she'll be the first one attacked by MAGA nation for not protecting her Commander.  Some of these people are so personally fucked, they can't see it.  Living your life looking over your shoulder is not just a movie cliche, it's real and it will eat away at you from the inside until the point where you'll view the bullet as a welcomed relief.  the AI bots queued up to feed the MAGA nutjobs that Meadows, Canon, Barr, Jared, Mike Johnson, et. al. are robustly in place.  They will take to the dark web, the Qanon sites, 4chan, even facebook and they will convince---if even just a few thousand acolytes---that the Deep State has compromised these former loyal Trump staffers and leaders sold him out.  And then, the hunt begins...

she's doing this to delay the trial:

 

At least she can't fuck with the Georgia and 1/6 cases.

To be fair to her in this case, she can't control the Gregorian calendar.  The Orange ShitStain is involved deep into four separate trials in 4 different venues.  

I said, as many others did, a year ago that this whole thing wouldn't come to facts, or law, or politics.  It would come to days of the week and months of the year.  Back him into a corner, not of space, but of time.  And his body will consume itself.  And the ensuing Bacchanalia will make Caligula himself blush in his grave.  

3 minutes ago, kevwun said:

At least she can't fuck with the Georgia and 1/6 cases.

and the NY civil trial.

BTW apparently Trump is very worked up about what is happening there - has made something like 100 rants on truth about it. It seems he was in a bit of denial about what was happening there and now the reality has hit him in the face.

and the NY civil trial.
BTW apparently Trump is very worked up about what is happening there - has made something like 100 rants on truth about it. It seems he was in a bit of denial about what was happening there and now the reality has hit him in the face.

Good.
11 minutes ago, The Dog said:

she's doing this to delay the trial:

 

Stop committing so many crimes and it wouldn’t be an issue 

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22 minutes ago, The Dog said:

she's doing this to delay the trial:

 

She absolutely will delay that trial past the election- probably because it’s the biggest slam dunk of all the federal crimes. 

24 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Stop committing so many crimes and it wouldn’t be an issue 

If he would have taken the President's job seriously and respected the position, showed some class and empathy, he would have won reelection easily and probably had a statue and a school or highway named for him. But no, he's not built that way because the job was way over his intelligence level and he only knows how to bully people to get his way. And yet there's Cannon. I have no idea what her endgame is. Does she think that by helping Trump and hoping he gets reelected she'll get a Supreme Court position? 

2 minutes ago, Brandywine said:

If he would have taken the President's job seriously and respected the position, showed some class and empathy, he would have won reelection easily and probably had a statue and a school or highway named for him. But no, he's not built that way because the job was way over his intelligence level and he only knows how to bully people to get his way. And yet there's Cannon. I have no idea what her endgame is. Does she think that by helping Trump and hoping he gets reelected she'll get a Supreme Court position? 

Probably.

17 minutes ago, Brandywine said:

If he would have taken the President's job seriously and respected the position, showed some class and empathy, he would have won reelection easily and probably had a statue and a school or highway named for him. But no, he's not built that way because the job was way over his intelligence level and he only knows how to bully people to get his way. And yet there's Cannon. I have no idea what her endgame is. Does she think that by helping Trump and hoping he gets reelected she'll get a Supreme Court position? 

Being a federal judge in a low volume district *for life* is a uniquely rare and sweet job that thousands of more qualified attorneys would have taken. I think it’s not about ambition but she’s acting out of loyalty- just like our former mob boss in chief wanted 

She's also really dumb, so she's probably a Trump true believer.

2 minutes ago, kevwun said:

She's also really dumb, so she's probably a Trump true believer.

This

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

she's doing this to delay the trial:

 

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55 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Stop committing so many crimes and it wouldn’t be an issue 

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59 minutes ago, The Dog said:

BTW apparently Trump is very worked up about what is happening there - has made something like 100 rants on truth about it. It seems he was in a bit of denial about what was happening there and now the reality has hit him in the face.

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What did that disclaimer supposedly say? Everything you're about to read is full of shit? 

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What did that disclaimer supposedly say? Everything you're about to read is full of shit? 

*I think the following information is true and correct but don’t quote me on it.*

1 hour ago, Pig Bellmont said:

She absolutely will delay that trial past the election- probably because it’s the biggest slam dunk of all the federal crimes. 

It's incredibly obvious that this is what she's doing. 

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Strange how cannon’s bad/questionable rulings seem to favor trump.  Curious even. 

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1 hour ago, Pig Bellmont said:

She absolutely will delay that trial past the election- probably because it’s the biggest slam dunk of all the federal crimes. 

Won't matter......he is not going to win and will have to face the music eventually.

59 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

 

15 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

So that means he LIED????   OMFG, what an utter shock.

3 hours ago, YGIFS said:

And the ensuing Bacchanalia will make Caligula himself blush in his grave.  

President Bacchanalia was Rome's worst president.

3 hours ago, Brandywine said:

If he would have taken the President's job seriously and respected the position, showed some class and empathy, he would have won reelection easily and probably had a statue and a school or highway named for him. But no, he's not built that way because the job was way over his intelligence level and he only knows how to bully people to get his way. 

Greg Abbott in a nutshell.  If he hadn’t gone full asshole, and tried to make lives miserable for certain groups of people, hadn’t acted like a banana republic dictator kowtowing to billionaires and getting pissed off when people didn’t do what he wanted, had shown some class and empathy, and done things like tried to help more handicapped people since that should be a subject near and dear to him, he’d have schools named after him, statues, etc. and an actual legacy.  

Instead, he makes Rick Fuckin Perry look almost like a decent governor, most UT alumni are embarrassed by him, and a whole shitload of the state thinks he’s just a completely irredeemable asshole

30 minutes ago, AnTiM said:

So that means he LIED????   OMFG, what an utter shock.

Nice, very nice.  Little tidbit to throw at the MAGA relatives if they try to claim the election was stolen.

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