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4 minutes ago, BearSchlong said:


Jesus Christ on a cracker, what kind of broken brained person doesn’t capitalize their correspondence with a judge. Is that by design?

Then several emails into the thread he decides to start?

I noticed that.  I assumed that the lower case was from a phone, but still.  

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7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I noticed that.  I assumed that the lower case was from a phone, but still.  

Heard a talking head prognisticate that it was a copy/paste job within the emails from things sent to Kise from Trump or other lawyers.   

There should be other indications coming:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trumps-businesses-received-millions-foreign-entities-presidency-house/story?id=106106433

A new report by Democrats on the House Oversight Committee documents more than $7.8 million in payments from at least 20 foreign governments — including China, Saudi Arabia and Qatar — to businesses owned by then-President Donald Trump during two years of his presidential term.

 

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I read this entire email exchange. Kise comes off like a child that is learning how to law. 

 

4 hours ago, BamaATL said:

Apparently, dotard and his legal team haven't filed a single document of discovery in the documents case.  

I mean it’s not that surprising they have no defense. 

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His admission of grift is not surprising. It’s America’s collective lack of caring about his criming.

3 minutes ago, Satchel said:

His admission of grift is not surprising. It’s America’s collective lack of caring about his criming.


avg trump supporter …..

 

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2 hours ago, Satchel said:

There should be other indications coming:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trumps-businesses-received-millions-foreign-entities-presidency-house/story?id=106106433

A new report by Democrats on the House Oversight Committee documents more than $7.8 million in payments from at least 20 foreign governments — including China, Saudi Arabia and Qatar — to businesses owned by then-President Donald Trump during two years of his presidential term.

 

Because Congress has never acted pursuant to the Emoluments Clause, this is neither a crime nor any kind of civil infraction.  The only thing that can be done is sue for an injunction against further violations, if that.

5 hours ago, BamaATL said:

Apparently, dotard and his legal team haven't filed a single document of discovery in the documents case.  

Criminal defendants have virtually no discovery obligation.  It's mainly testifying expert discovery.

5 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Because Congress has never acted pursuant to the Emoluments Clause, this is neither a crime nor any kind of civil infraction.  The only thing that can be done is sue for an injunction against further violations, if that.

JFC, it's like we want a corrupt piece of shit to run our country.  We sure as hell don't care to hold them accountable. 

1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

JFC, it's like we want a corrupt piece of shit to run our country.  We sure as hell don't care to hold them accountable. 

Congress has never had any balls when it came to ethics legislation.  Especially one side of the aisle.

But yeah, I have said all along that we don't really have a robust set of laws applying to presidential and other "official" misconduct.

8 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Because Congress has never acted pursuant to the Emoluments Clause, this is neither a crime nor any kind of civil infraction.  The only thing that can be done is sue for an injunction against further violations, if that.

The fuckin constitution has a thing called the "emoluments clause", I would like to think that's in play to enforce some accountability, and that the constitution just a weapon for the far right supreme court to take away more civil rights. 

But this is the 2020s who am I kidding? The worst and most corruption friendly thing possible will continue to happen. 

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But they were perfect emoluments. 

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A new report by Democrats on the House Oversight Committee documents more than $7.8 million in payments from at least 20 foreign governments — including China, Saudi Arabia and Qatar — to businesses owned by then-President Donald Trump during two years of his presidential term.

This sounds really bad, and I hate that I'm saying this, but... meh.  We already know that he kept his businesses, including his hotels, and that foreign diplomats frequently stayed at his DC and NY hotels. 

It's shady, for sure.  I just don't see the breaking news aspect of it.

 

Bomb threat reported at Judge Ergoron’s residence…. Bedlam asked for Bedlam received. 

14 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Bomb threat reported at Judge Ergoron’s residence…. Bedlam asked for Bedlam received. 

I bet it was a Democrat #both sides

11 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

He’s not innocent ….

 

Well, at least the attack ads will be very easy to make for this.

Just now, wildcat09 said:

Well, at least the attack ads will be very easy to make for this.

Okay, so I'm sure y'all know that I'm the last person to make excuses for Trump.  And yes, even if you interpret what he said the way I think it was meant to be interpreted, it's still bad because it creates a gray area as to what exactly he is being compensated for (which is why the emoluments clause is absolute -- you don't take anything from a foreign power, period).  BUT, what Trump was saying was that he did not take any foreign money in exchange for some favors as president.  Rather, he is saying that they paid money to businesses, and got real and legitimate value (they got hotel rooms, meals, etc.)  It was an exchange for goods and services that had nothing to do with the office of president.

Again, I'm not saying I BELIEVE him.  And of course, we all know that the choice of the Saudis to book all their rooms at the Trump hotel instead of the W or whatnot was absolutely intended to funnel money to Trump, he knew it, and they WANTED him to know it.  I'm just saying that his statements quoted above aren't QUITE the "smocking gun" that the quote makes out in isolation.

Trump has given us plenty of ammo.  Let's not overextend ourselves.

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

I bet it was a Democrat #both sides

….but the footprints in the snow around the judges house. It was either the cloven hoofed pig from Amityville Horror….or MTG.

Fuck that, undecided voters are stupid. Run a million commercials showing Republicans bitching about Hunter taking money from China and then show Trump admit he was "doing services" for China and took money for doing so. There's no need to overthink this. Regardless of his explanations, which he'll blubber out like a moron, that will be politically effective with a substantial number of undecided voters.

ETA: Brisket, you're playing the Nancy Pelosi "no we have to wait for the real smoking gun to impeach him for something" game that made it look to most people like everything he did before he tried to extort Zelensky was actually ok. They should attack him on every fucking ground. Make his dumb ass play defense.  

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The fucker was found guilty of sexual assault less than 6 months ago and his poll numbers have only gone up. The story vanished from the headlines less than a week after the conviction.

We. Are. Properly. Fucked.

7 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Fuck that, undecided voters are stupid. Run a million commercials showing Republicans bitching about Hunter taking money from China and then show Trump admit he was "doing services" for China and took money for doing so. There's no need to overthink this. Regardless of his explanations, which he'll blubber out like a moron, that will be politically effective with a substantial number of undecided voters.

ETA: Brisket, you're playing the Nancy Pelosi "no we have to wait for the real smoking gun to impeach him for something" game that made it look to most people like everything he did before he tried to extort Zelensky was actually ok. They should attack him on every fucking ground. Make his dumb ass play defense.  

I'm just saying that the quote from him doesn't give us anything, and creates room to argue.  I suggest sticking with the simple facts: Trump happily accepted millions of dollars from foreign governments while he was president, in plain violation of the Constitution.  The law prohibits that for a very good reason: because that money can be a bribe.  Trump violated the Constitution's prohibition on taking bribes from foreign countries.  Trump is bought and paid for by foreign countries -- he doesn't care about you, or America.  "Trump puts America LAST"

Yeah, but he's not an officer.  Except when he is.  But not this time.

20 minutes ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

The fucker was found guilty of sexual assault

Rape 

19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I'm just saying that the quote from him doesn't give us anything, and creates room to argue.  I suggest sticking with the simple facts: Trump happily accepted millions of dollars from foreign governments while he was president, in plain violation of the Constitution.  The law prohibits that for a very good reason: because that money can be a bribe.  Trump violated the Constitution's prohibition on taking bribes from foreign countries.  Trump is bought and paid for by foreign countries -- he doesn't care about you, or America.  "Trump puts America LAST"

In any other reality there's no need for a court to get involved, the voters would throw him to the trash heap. But this is the darkest timeline, his numbers just get better.

Just now, 'stache said:

In any other reality there's no need for a court to get involved, the voters would throw him to the trash heap. But this is the darkest timeline, his numbers just get better.

Because the malfeasance, and him getting away with it, proves how powerful he is, getting one over on "the man."

Remember how much of America (well....non-black America) was shocked when the OJ acquittal verdict was announced, and lots of black people openly celebrated it?  That wasn't because they were happy that OJ killed Nicole and Ron.  They were happy because one of them, a people who had gotten the shitty end of the stick in the justice system over and over and over, got one over on that very justice system.  The fact that everyone knew OJ murdered two people was functionally irrelevant to their thinking; it was all about the fact that in SPITE of the evidence being against him, he beat the system.

For MAGAts, it's similar.  They hate "the system/the deep state."  No, they really don't even know what it is (at least black Americans had a pretty firm grasp on the justice system of the police and the courts, and how they had been fucked by them for a long-ass time).  So, the fact that their guy can openly and blatantly violate laws, rules, and norms, and "the system/the deep state" can't seem to stop him only makes him MORE of their hero.

That is also why it is imperative that the rule of law crush him, and grind him to fucking dust.  Above-board, in the open, and by-the-book.  He's a fucking criminal with contempt for our laws.  Treat him as such, and get the fucking result.

It's a damn shame the trial for the easiest case against him won't start until 2025.

Has Aileen Cannon even gone to work in the past few months?

Just now, wildcat09 said:

It's a damn shame the trial for the easiest case against him won't start until 2025.

Has Aileen Cannon even gone to work in the past few months?

Well, she's certainly been doing her job.  "Her job" being defined as "make sure Trump doesn't go to trial this year."

46 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Okay, so I'm sure y'all know that I'm the last person to make excuses for Trump.  And yes, even if you interpret what he said the way I think it was meant to be interpreted, it's still bad because it creates a gray area as to what exactly he is being compensated for (which is why the emoluments clause is absolute -- you don't take anything from a foreign power, period).  BUT, what Trump was saying was that he did not take any foreign money in exchange for some favors as president.  Rather, he is saying that they paid money to businesses, and got real and legitimate value (they got hotel rooms, meals, etc.)  It was an exchange for goods and services that had nothing to do with the office of president.

Again, I'm not saying I BELIEVE him.  And of course, we all know that the choice of the Saudis to book all their rooms at the Trump hotel instead of the W or whatnot was absolutely intended to funnel money to Trump, he knew it, and they WANTED him to know it.  I'm just saying that his statements quoted above aren't QUITE the "smocking gun" that the quote makes out in isolation.

Trump has given us plenty of ammo.  Let's not overextend ourselves.

Yeah, it's a little bit inherent to the type of business(es) he owned before the presidency.

Do we go so far as to require divestiture of hospitality or any other business that could be patronized by foreigners or others to curry favor with the administration?

Does it matter if the business is not so obviously owned by POTUS (i.e. not named Trump?).  

And, I suppose at least some of the businesses have a fairly fixed revenue (name license) that isn't wholly dependent on the volume of revenue and patronage.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, it's a little bit inherent to the type of business(es) he owned before the presidency.

Do we go so far as to require divestiture of hospitality or any other business that could be patronized by foreigners or others to curry favor with the administration?

Yes. Jimmy Carter sold the peanut farm that had been in his family for generations.

You sign up for this kind of shit when you become president. There has to be some sort of sacrifice because of all of the power you get

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Do we go so far as to require divestiture of hospitality or any other business that could be patronized by foreigners or others to curry favor with the administration?

Yes.  We should absolutely do that.  And I say it across the fucking board.  I don't care if the guy running for POTUS just owns a Buick dealership....because gosh golly, it will turn out that the Saudis decide they need an all-new fleet of vehicles to serve their needs here in the US, and they just randomly placed an order for 200 top-of-the-line Buick Enclaves, paying full sticker price, at President Jimmy Don Earl's Buck Emporium.  Just a coincidence, I guess!

Some professions/businesses are incompatible with holding the office of President.  Maybe your gig is providing military advice to foreign armies.  Cool.  Have at it.  Get paid.  But you can't keep up that hustle and be POTUS.

33 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Because the malfeasance, and him getting away with it, proves how powerful he is, getting one over on "the man.".

Normally people might not admire murdering scum, but if you think back to Bonnie and Clyde and Dillinger, a large portion of the country had been screwed over by the man in the form of banks, and such, and we’re totally happy to see as heroes some really wretched individuals who murdered cops execution style after they gave up their weapons.   ‘Cause, ‘Murkins!

That Support Robin Hood against The Man mindset is a long tradition. I saw George Wallace give a stump speech in rural Florida, where he railed against the “pointy headed intellectuals who think they are better than us”.  People think of him as just a nut-job deep south racist, but in 1968 he won the Michigan primary. His slogan,  “Stand Up For America”, meant “Keep Other People Down…For America”.  

He was a proto-MAGA. 

34 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Yes. Jimmy Carter sold the peanut farm that had been in his family for generations.

You sign up for this kind of shit when you become president. There has to be some sort of sacrifice because of all of the power you get

Apparently not true.  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/02/24/fact-check-jimmy-carter-put-peanut-farm-blind-trust-during-term-president/11340029002/

 

2 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Normally people might not admire murdering scum, but if you think back to Bonnie and Clyde and Dillinger, a large portion of the country had been screwed over by the man in the form of banks, and such, and we’re totally happy to see as heroes some really wretched individuals who murdered cops execution style after they gave up their weapons.   ‘Cause, ‘Murkins!

That Support Robin Hood against The Man mindset is a long tradition. I saw George Wallace give a stump speech in rural Florida, where he railed against the “pointy headed intellectuals who think they are better than us”.  People think of him as just a nut-job deep south racist, but in 1968 he won the Michigan primary. His slogan,  “Stand Up For America”, meant “Keep Other People Down…For America”.  

He was a proto-MAGA. 

Bingo.  The phenomenon of the "downtrodden" supporting a shitbag populist precisely BECAUSE he's getting away with being a shitbag, thus sticking it to the man/the system, is nothing new.  And to state it in simple and direct terms here:

The MAGAts don't love Trump in spite of the fact that he's an open and proud criminal, they love him BECAUSE of it.

42 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

complete fucking idiot  

He can see the future!

4 hours ago, TexasHooch said:

This sounds really bad, and I hate that I'm saying this, but... meh.  We already know that he kept his businesses, including his hotels, and that foreign diplomats frequently stayed at his DC and NY hotels. 

It's shady, for sure.  I just don't see the breaking news aspect of it.

 

Can you imagine the breaking news aspect had Obama taken 8 million from foreign governments?

Just now, Satchel said:

Can you imagine the breaking news aspect had Obama taken 8 million from foreign governments?

I'm not sure because it didn't happen.  What do you think?  More, or less than wearing a tan suit?

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Wait, he did let him talk? FUcking why?

Terrible capitulation by Engoron. He effectively just told Trump and his supporters that bomb threats work. 

5 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Wait, he did let him talk? FUcking why?

Maybe only because there’s no jury so there’s no harm done. The judge knows what made it into evidence and won’t be persuaded by any of that grandstanding. Also, one less issue for the appellate courts - I’ve seen judges go out of there way to grant every procedural/evidentiary ruling to a party only to grant judgment for the other side. 

Just now, Pig Bellmont said:

Maybe only because there’s no jury so there’s no harm done. The judge knows what made it into evidence and won’t be persuaded by any of that grandstanding. Also, one less issue for the appellate courts - I’ve seen judges go out of there way to grant every procedural/evidentiary ruling to a party only to grant judgment for the other side. 

Yeah, on the one hand, there's no reason to give him any time and no reason to think he can abide by the rules of closing.

On the other hand, it's a bench trial and Engoron won't be misled or prejudiced by it.

He hasn't let Trump get away with much, but he has given him plenty of leeway to fuck it up.

Did Engoron at least fine Trump $50k??

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