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21 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Oh, there's still young'uns around who are true believers.  I followed one today in my car; he had no less than half a dozen decals on the back glass of his minivan letting the world know he fucking loved Donald.   As I was passing I took a gander over to get an idea of the driver; I'm guessing mid-30's or so.

So!  There's a chance it was someone else's mini van.  I guess.

 

 

 

His parents van of course. What else is he gonna drive to his weekly circle jerk?

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The thing is, we're not really taking the "rule of law" approach. The "rule of law" approach would've been to immediately begin an enormous criminal investigation into Trump the moment Biden took office, because there was a shitload of evidence he and those around him had committed numerous crimes related to 1/6.  Garland and the DOJ didn't do so because they were worried about political appearances. That's not commitment to the rule of law, that was them disregarding the rule of law, prioritizing their own vain concerns over enforcement of the law against the biggest fucking threat to American capital-L Law since the Civil War.

They really did hope that he'd just go away quietly. It took until Trump refused to give back the most highly classified shit we have before they got around to actually taking any of this shit seriously. 

2 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

His parents van of course. What else is he gonna drive to his weekly circle jerk?

That CyberTruck shitmobile is probably well suited for circle jerk excursions.  

1 minute ago, Rimbo said:

And by doing so, he's not only costing himself the election, he's costing the GOP.

Because of Trump's influence on the border deal, the Democrats can now use the border hysteria that the GOP created against them. That's exactly what just happened this week: A Democrat challenger in a heavily Republican district destroyed his Republican challenger by 7.5 points - by running on border security.

This isn't a hypothetical. IT JUST HAPPENED. And it's going to continue to happen because the GOP has become a one-man party with no issues, and that man happens to be a complete dimwit.

So, Eeyore all you want, but it has no basis in reality. You have to have your head buried pretty far up your own asshole to think Trump has a chance in hell at this point. Just like his supporters so.

I mean shit, listen to Brisket. Brisket isn't joking when he says he's been the leader of the doom n gloom club. But even he sees the trend now.

I guess I just don't share your optimism of the problem being solved by the electoral process. Gerrymandering and a failure to enforce court rulings to fix racist congressional distracting, along with the decade long campaign of voter suppression by the GOP has all but cemented their ability to prevent progress and simple governance. 

It's going to take a massive, earthshaking development to buck that trend. Something like sweeping criminal prosecutions and trials for an act of insurrection carried out on live national television.

But I have it on good authority we have no choice but to let the fascists light a thousand fires so that they can complain about the smoke, otherwise WERE the bad guys. We can't be having a speedy trial or anything unconstitutional like that 

I like that theory, wildcat, but I don't think it gives enough credence to the fact that Dems in recent decades just can't make a fucking decision.  They agonize and move slowly while the GOP shoots first and lawyers up second.

I've got some relatives who are hard shell liberals who work in DC.  Working under the GOP is a breeze they say, because the republicans just make a decision and everyone moves on.  The Dems fuck around with 20 policy preogatives and nothing gets done.

You're mostly right but Dem pokiness adds insult to injury.

8 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

And to go further, the RNC will soon be a subsidary of Trump Organization.

Not only did team GOP return (well, they actually never left) but they also just handed over the entire Republican party organization and appratus lock, stock and barrel.  

It’s not unlike the DNC. Obama’s campaign basically took it over and moved a lot of operations under OFA and the DNC was decimated and in massive debt by 2016.  The RNC is going to be in even worse shape in 2025 if Lara Trump ends up running it to just funnel all the money to Trump’s legal bills and “campaign”

Just now, Captainant said:

I guess I just don't share your optimism of the problem being solved by the electoral process. Gerrymandering and a failure to enforce court rulings to fix racist congressional distracting, along with the decade long campaign of voter suppression by the GOP has all but cemented their ability to prevent progress and simple governance. 

"Optimism" has nothing to do with it. You just haven't been paying attention.

You should check out Marc Elias' site. Read up on just how many election and voting cases his firm has taken on - and their record in those cases. Not only has he defeated the GOP's efforts to rig elections at nearly every turn, he's often made the situation WORSE for Republicans. They HATESES him, Precioussss!

3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I guess I just don't share your optimism of the problem being solved by the electoral process. Gerrymandering and a failure to enforce court rulings to fix racist congressional distracting, along with the decade long campaign of voter suppression by the GOP has all but cemented their ability to prevent progress and simple governance. 

It's going to take a massive, earthshaking development to buck that trend. Something like sweeping criminal prosecutions and trials for an act of insurrection carried out on live national television.

But I have it on good authority we have no choice but to let the fascists light a thousand fires so that they can complain about the smoke, otherwise WERE the bad guys. We can't be having a speedy trial or anything unconstitutional like that 

Rimbo needs to believe that Trump is guaranteed to lose like Q-Anon believers need to believe the Storm is coming. You're not going to shake him from that any more than you could shake any Q believers from their belief that all of this is happening according to some grand plan that Trump has.

In my experience, you don't have to be rich to gum up the legal system, but it certainly helps. For people who don't practice law, I can also tell you that these cases are moving faster than normal because of their profile. A business fraud case like the one we're expecting to hear from today can take a decade or more, especially if the target is rich but not particularly well known, or in which there aren't really any stakes outside the investors or shareholders that were harmed. Also remember that all Engeron is doing today is announcing the damages, he was already found liable prior to the last round of litigation, by default too if I recall correctly. His refusal or inability to defend against liability sped this thing up by several years as compared to a normal business fraud case. 

1 minute ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

I like that theory, wildcat, but I don't think it gives enough credence to the fact that Dems in recent decades just can't make a fucking decision.  They agonize and move slowly while the GOP shoots first and lawyers up second.

I've got some relatives who are hard shell liberals who work in DC.  Working under the GOP is a breeze they say, because the republicans just make a decision and everyone moves on.  The Dems fuck around with 20 policy preogatives and nothing gets done.

You're mostly right but Dem pokiness adds insult to injury.

It's not really a theory, it's been pretty thoroughly reported. But yeah, it's also wholly consistent with typical Democrat brain behavior. It's very easy to paralyze yourself weighing every possible option and end up doing nothing and hoping things just resolve themselves on their own.

6 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

I like that theory, wildcat, but I don't think it gives enough credence to the fact that Dems in recent decades just can't make a fucking decision.  They agonize and move slowly while the GOP shoots first and lawyers up second.

I've got some relatives who are hard shell liberals who work in DC.  Working under the GOP is a breeze they say, because the republicans just make a decision and everyone moves on.  The Dems fuck around with 20 policy preogatives and nothing gets done.

You're mostly right but Dem pokiness adds insult to injury.

It's a hell of a lot easier to break shit (GOP) than fix it or create new things (Dems).

That's a huge factor it in.  

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

It's a hell of a lot easier to break shit (GOP) than fix it or create new things (Dems).

That's a huge factor it in.  

Rome wasn't built in a day, but she can burn in just one

53 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

poor, white people with red hats.

Trump funding his law fees via socialism  from people scared even of the word socialism is something else. 

19 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I guess I just don't share your optimism of the problem being solved by the electoral process. Gerrymandering and a failure to enforce court rulings to fix racist congressional distracting, along with the decade long campaign of voter suppression by the GOP has all but cemented their ability to prevent progress and simple governance. 

It's going to take a massive, earthshaking development to buck that trend. Something like sweeping criminal prosecutions and trials for an act of insurrection carried out on live national television.

But I have it on good authority we have no choice but to let the fascists light a thousand fires so that they can complain about the smoke, otherwise WERE the bad guys. We can't be having a speedy trial or anything unconstitutional like that 

I like the cat eating corn video. 

9 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The thing is, we're not really taking the "rule of law" approach. The "rule of law" approach would've been to immediately begin an enormous criminal investigation into Trump the moment Biden took office, because there was a shitload of evidence he and those around him had committed numerous crimes related to 1/6.  Garland and the DOJ didn't do so because they were worried about political appearances. That's not commitment to the rule of law, that was them disregarding the rule of law, prioritizing their own vain concerns over enforcement of the law against the biggest fucking threat to American capital-L Law since the Civil War.

They really did hope that he'd just go away quietly. It took until Trump refused to give back the most highly classified shit we have before they got around to actually taking any of this shit seriously. 

Very fair point.  Although I do believe the investigation would have taken longer than people wanted.

18 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Rimbo needs to believe that Trump is guaranteed to lose like Q-Anon believers need to believe the Storm is coming. You're not going to shake him from that any more than you could shake any Q believers from their belief that all of this is happening according to some grand plan that Trump has.

I don't believe he is arguing in good faith.  The Oval Office has swung -- twice in a row -- on extremely tight margins in a few key states.  Nothing has changed.

Confidence is poison. 

21 minutes ago, 'stache said:

all Engeron is doing today is announcing the damages

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't believe he is arguing in good faith.  The Oval Office has swung -- twice in a row -- on extremely tight margins in a few key states.  Nothing has changed.

Confidence is poison. 

He is arguing in good faith, he just gets overly committed to certain positions and overly invested in certain beliefs. He doesn't want to consider another Trump term as possible (understandably) and he sees some evidence supporting an argument that a Trump loss is likely, and he takes that too far. 

We've all got our coping mechanisms for grappling with the inherent chaos and uncertainty of the world. I'm not sure mine (booze and anxiety, mostly) is any healthier than his. 

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

We've all got our coping mechanisms for grappling with the inherent chaos and uncertainty of the world. I'm not sure mine (booze and anxiety, mostly) is any healthier than his. 

I'm here to tell you, booze really helps with anxiety.  (Not.)

That’s what weed is for 

1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

 

It don't make a shit if it happens before or after the election, because Trump ain't winning the election.

 

 

I wish I had your optimism 

3 hours ago, dcbc said:

With Trump, I'd rather have them do it right than right now.

I'd be ok with the cancer docs fucking up in this instance if it meant he died.

Yeah, trump is at least too incompetent to pull off most of his fascist agenda, the next person up is far more likely to pull it off. Texas has done a pretty damn good job of implementing a heavy dose of theocracy, Pence could probably have pull off quite a bit of it himself if he were president and had both chambers (SCOTUS is already packed and ready to rubberstamp Christian nationalism). 

15 minutes ago, Js1 said:

That’s what weed is for 

 

As long as its a hybrid or indica or as I like to call it, in da couch. Sativas make me anxious 

43 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Rimbo needs to believe that Trump is guaranteed to lose like Q-Anon believers need to believe the Storm is coming. You're not going to shake him from that any more than you could shake any Q believers from their belief that all of this is happening according to some grand plan that Trump has.

You're projecting.

At this point, all available verifiable evidence suggests Trump and the GOP are in for a big whooping ass kicking in November.

I'm not sure why you and others need to believe in your doom-n-gloom sex fantasies so desperately.

1 minute ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I'd be ok with the cancer docs fucking up in this instance if it meant he died.

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28 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

The Oval Office has swung -- twice in a row -- on extremely tight margins in a few key states.  Nothing has changed.

Your first sentence is correct.

Your second sentence is so blatantly wrong, it raises questions about your motivations.

I'm not arguing in bad faith. I'm not just describing my position, I'm pointing out data that supports it.

You, wildcat, and others have done NONE of this. Because there is no data to support your position.

So you and he accusing me of arguing in bad faith is just projecting.

I think the real question here is whether any of the post-Dobbs elections are data points for a 2024 general election in which both candidates are unpopular and the winner is decided by the antidemocratic Electoral College where only a few states matter and Biden's support has dropped due to his mishandling of the genocide in Gaza.

26 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

He is arguing in good faith, he just gets overly committed to certain positions and overly invested in certain beliefs.

Oh that's nonsense. I change my mind all the time. Constantly. To the point that I look wishy-washy as hell.

BUT YOU HAVE TO SHOW ME EVIDENCE. It has to be real, it has to make sense, and it has to also explain all other evidence in aware of; if it fails to take facts we're already aware of into account, then it doesn't work.

Also... a LOT can happen between now and November. But the trend right now is very, very bad for the GOP.

4 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

step back from the ledge.

This struck me. 

All of politics today is geared to the message:  step back TO the ledge.

You're asking for evidence when all we have are a few elections that have swung within the margin of error.  No thanks, dude.

2 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

You're projecting.

At this point, all available verifiable evidence suggests Trump and the GOP are in for a big whooping ass kicking in November.

I'm not sure why you and others need to believe in your doom-n-gloom sex fantasies so desperately.

All Trump needs to do is flip Wisconsin, Georgia, and Arizona. Let's look at those states in 2020:

Wisconsin: Biden + 20,682 (0.6%)

Georgia: Biden + 11,779 (0.3%)

Arizona: Biden + 10,457 (0.4%)

Those are tiny margins and any of a thousand things could happen between now and November that could increase Trump's chances of flipping those states. 

 

I see your cat eating corn and raise you a porcupine eating corn

 

7 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

All Trump needs to do is flip Wisconsin, Georgia, and Arizona. Let's look at those states in 2020:

Wisconsin: Biden + 20,682 (0.6%)

Georgia: Biden + 11,779 (0.3%)

Arizona: Biden + 10,457 (0.4%)

Those are tiny margins and any of a thousand things could happen between now and November that could increase Trump's chances of flipping those states. 

 

Sure. And Dems won the governorship and flipped a Supreme Court race in WI, re-elected a black Dem senator in Georgia and won the Governor race, AG race, LG Race, SOS race and Senate seat in AZ since 2020

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$360 million + and Trump can't do business in NY for three years. 

My dude. Trump is actively torpedoing legislation that affects foreign and domestic policy. He is continuing to jeopardize Ukraine's national sovereignty and ability to defend herself, and throwing sand into the gears of our legislature for the sole sake of a potential campaign advantage. 
 
He is able to do all of this because our justice system has taken the rope a dope and appeasement approach towards this fucking fascist. History shows us time and time again that failure to promptly punish a fascist coup attempt only guarantees another one after a period of destroying the government from within. 

If you believe that the system needs to be changed in order to prevent all of this shit, please propose some rules that we can adopt going forward. Also make sure to state whether these rules are to be universal or only applicable when a defendant is coming up (within some specific timeframe) on an election for public office, etc. I’m all for fixing problems, but I’m not sure how you fix the timetable fuckery that you take issue with.
1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

Rimbo needs to believe that Trump is guaranteed to lose like Q-Anon believers need to believe the Storm is coming. You're not going to shake him from that any more than you could shake any Q believers from their belief that all of this is happening according to some grand plan that Trump has.

 

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

He is arguing in good faith, he just gets overly committed to certain positions and overly invested in certain beliefs. He doesn't want to consider another Trump term as possible (understandably) and he sees some evidence supporting an argument that a Trump loss is likely, and he takes that too far. 

We've all got our coping mechanisms for grappling with the inherent chaos and uncertainty of the world. I'm not sure mine (booze and anxiety, mostly) is any healthier than his. 

I'll provide a real world example. Rimbo needs to believe Trump is going lose the way Rimbo needed to believe that Greg Davis was a good offensive coordinator becuase STATS! and that Charlie Strong was a great coach at Texas...right until he fucking wasn't. He then he came to see the inherent dangers and patterns everyone had been telling him about for years. This is how he behaves. I've grown to like the guy as a poster from someone I used to get into it with on what felt like a daily basis, but some of those blind spots continue to exist, as they do in all of us, becuase we're human and actual change is pretty fucking hard. 

2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

$360 million + and Trump can't do business in NY for three years. 

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53 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

You're projecting.

At this point, all available verifiable evidence suggests Trump and the GOP are in for a big whooping ass kicking in November.

I'm not sure why you and others need to believe in your doom-n-gloom sex fantasies so desperately.

Because nothing needs to be taken for granted.  Doom and gloom until he's beaten.  If people let up thinking this is won with or without me, then the orange fuck gets elected. 

5 minutes ago, Red Five said:

$360 million + and Trump can't do business in NY for three years. 

Does this mean he has to sell all his properties in NY immediately?

Wish I could bet my mortgage on some sort of "WHAT IS HAPPENING TO ME IS WORTH THAN NAVALNY!" statement in the next 18-36 hours.

34 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Sure. And Dems won the governorship and flipped a Supreme Court race in WI, re-elected a black Dem senator in Georgia and won the Governor race, AG race, LG Race, SOS race and Senate seat in AZ since 2020

Sure. There’s plenty of reasons to be optimistic too and if I had to bet today, I’d bet on Biden beating Trump. But nothing is certain and plenty of shit will happen between now and the election that we can’t even anticipate. The only thing I’m sure about is that it will come down to what are relatively very small margins in 5 or 6 states, as it always does in modern American presidential elections.

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

It's not really a theory, it's been pretty thoroughly reported. But yeah, it's also wholly consistent with typical Democrat brain behavior. It's very easy to paralyze yourself weighing every possible option and end up doing nothing and hoping things just resolve themselves on their own.

yeah, it's the basic plot of the west wing.  that administration was entertaining, but not at all productive.

9 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Does this mean he has to sell all his properties in NY immediately?

I believe so... saw described last month as "getting the death penalty" equivalent for a business.

3 minutes ago, scottsins said:


If you believe that the system needs to be changed in order to prevent all of this shit, please propose some rules that we can adopt going forward. Also make sure to state whether these rules are to be universal or only applicable when a defendant is coming up (within some specific timeframe) on an election for public office, etc. I’m all for fixing problems, but I’m not sure how you fix the timetable fuckery that you take issue with.

Shit, Hillary was being publicly dragged by the DO right up to Election Day.  Meanwhile the guy having affairs with whores and huge loans from a foreign bank while not disclosing his taxes gets crickets.  It wasn't treated the same at all.  Then when he's elected, he's told he's immune from prosecution. Now that he's a civilian again, he still wants immunity from any past or future crimes.  Yeah, I'd start here.  

Publicly disclose his crimes that he's being investigated for, let his court trials continue or fast track so that America doesn't elect someone compromised by a foreign government(s), and then treat him the same way any private citizen by definition should and would be prosecuted--jail the motherfucker, freeze his assets, and start holding him accountable.  Yeah, start there.  Why is this hard?  Investigate 2 billion Kushner got shortly after he left office.  Also, maybe look into emolument clause violations.  

I'm laughing so hard. Trump's business license in NY will NOT be canceled. But...

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