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He’s an enigma wrapped in a riddle, simultaneously indicated and unindicated.

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“I’VE BEEN UNIDICATED AND YET JUDGE MERCHANT REFUSES TO DISMISS THE CASE!!!! LEGAL SCHOLARS ARE BAFFLED!!!! I CANT BE PERSECUTED WITHOUT INDICATEMENT!!!!”

Why wouldn't they also be charged? Is it because they might not have enough evidence or because they don't want to go through the hassle of Trump's successful delay, delay, delay strategy?

Can they come back and charge them again later?

8 minutes ago, 'stache said:

He’s an enigma wrapped in a riddle, simultaneously indicated and unindicated.

Schröedinger’s criminal

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16 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Why wouldn't they also be charged? Is it because they might not have enough evidence or because they don't want to go through the hassle of Trump's successful delay, delay, delay strategy?

Can they come back and charge them again later?

Maybe immunity in exchange for testifying?

 

nvm I missed Trump was one of them

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2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Ain’t no way he’d fake an illness to look weak. That would shatter his whole persona. “I’m too weak and sick to sit in a court room” while Biden is out campaigning would absolutely shatter the narrative 

Biden: “I wish my opponent the best in his current heath battle.  Knowing Trump and the prior results his doctors have provided us with respect to his health, this must be something very, very serious given what he has going on currently with the campaign and everything else.  I hope he gets better soon so he can be a part of all of these very important items that he has on his very busy schedule these next few months. Bless his heart”

 

If Trump plays the health card, the Biden campaign needs to go southern wine-addled suburban divorced mom passive aggressive on the Trump campaign. 

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2 hours ago, TexArcher said:

Isn't commenting on the gag order in public a violation of the gag order?

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Serious question regarding New York State criminal proceedings.  If a juror or court staffer is physically harmed on behalf of the defendant for purposes of intimidation, does the trial halt, get a new jury seated, or what happens?  These people are easier to wind up than I thought possible.  

2 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Serious question regarding New York State criminal proceedings.  If a juror or court staffer is physically harmed on behalf of the defendant for purposes of intimidation, does the trial halt, get a new jury seated, or what happens?  These people are easier to wind up than I thought possible.  

I assume the defense would move for a mistrial, arguing that Trump tried to intimidate a juror, got caught, and now the rest of the jury likely will hold that against him.  The argument for the prosecution would be something like, "You don't get a mistrial for something you created (invited error).  They stick an alternate in the slot and move on.  That's my best guess for a Wednesday.

Yeah, I would think in a "normal" trial with a low profile defendant who doesn't have access to a mob...it would be a mistrial and chalked up to some insane lone wolf looking for attention.  But in this case, Trump is literally stirring up his minions to act out.  Hard to prove, but the fingerprints are already there in his posts and press conferences.  Maybe that's a separate legal issue on its own, but I guess---what is the threshold for "You did this to disrupt the case, so we're seating an alternate juror and moving ahead?"  I would imagine it's a whole other ball of motions, filings, and contentions?  

19 minutes ago, dcbc said:

I assume the defense would move for a mistrial, arguing that Trump tried to intimidate a juror, got caught, and now the rest of the jury likely will hold that against him.  The argument for the prosecution would be something like, "You don't get a mistrial for something you created (invited error).  They stick an alternate in the slot and move on.  That's my best guess for a Wednesday.

and then add another indicatement for witness intimidation. 

 

just kidding, nothing would happen. 

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Ain’t no way he’d fake an illness to look weak. That would shatter his whole persona. “I’m too weak and sick to sit in a court room” while Biden is out campaigning would absolutely shatter the narrative 

This is true.  Therefore Trump needs to do the very opposite.  He needs to look healthy...really healthy!  He needs super therapy for super humans.  That's right.. IV bleach, 10x dose Ivermectin,  and UV lights up the bum hole.    It's the only way Don!

Are they taking every Wednesday off?

13 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Are they taking every Wednesday off?

Yes, but that’s a court mandated schedule and not a Trump accommodation 

23 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Are they taking every Wednesday off?

It's the day we eat birds.

It’s to give everybody’s nose a break. 

COURT CANCELLED TODAY! Rigged judge finally decides to do the Right thing and cancel this mockery of justice. No one at the Courtroom today because They Know they have been found out as the crooked sheep they are. EXONERATED!

1 hour ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Yes, but that’s a court mandated schedule and not a Trump accommodation 

This is a horrible trial schedule. It is essentially half-days and partial weeks. Gross. 

1 hour ago, Macanudo said:

It's the day we eat birds.

We cannot eat this bird!

What... is it Lent already?

A gamebird?  Like, you hunt it?  How hard can it be to kill this thing?  /frankcostanza

28 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

This is a horrible trial schedule. It is essentially half-days and partial weeks. Gross. 

Keeps him in court longer. Fine by me. 

Has anyone in these attorneys' sphere of influence bothered to tell them what happens when just writing down "legal reimbursements" on an expense report is validated now?  

Bought a hooker?  Totally fine, reimbursed my attorney who paid her in cash

Bought a kilo of blow?  Totally fine, reimbursed my attorney who paid him in cash

Had somebody killed on contract?  Totally fine, reimbursed my attorney who paid the assassin in cash.  

I cannot wrap my head around how this is an actual defense strategy.  Surely they can some up with something better.  This is like bad plot device left outta the script,  from Lethal Weapon 2 

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'So appalled': What witnesses told special counsel about Trump's handling of classified info while still president

 

In the summer of 2019, only hours after an Iranian rocket accidentally exploded at one of Iran's own launch sites, senior U.S. officials met with then-president Donald Trump and shared a sharply detailed, highly classified image of the blast's catastrophic aftermath.

The image was captured by a U.S. satellite whose true capabilities were a tightly guarded secret. But Trump wanted to share it with the world -- he thought it was especially "sexy" because it was marked classified, one of his former advisers later recalled to special counsel Jack Smith's investigators, according to sources familiar with the former adviser's statements.

Worried that the image becoming public could hurt national security efforts, intelligence officials urged Trump to hold off until more knowledgeable experts were able to weigh in, the sources said. But less than an hour later, while at least one of those intelligence officials was in another building scrambling to get more information, Trump posted the image to Twitter.

The public pushback to Trump's post was immediate: Intelligence experts and even international media questioned whether U.S. interests had just been endangered by what Trump did. When pressed about it at the White House, Trump insisted he hadn't released classified information because he had an "absolute right to do" it.

While much of Smith's sprawling classified documents investigation has focused on how Trump handled classified materials after leaving the White House, a wide array of former aides and advisers -- including personal valets, press assistants, senior national security officials, and even Trump's briefers from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence -- have provided Smith with firsthand accounts about how Trump allegedly handled and used intelligence while still in office.

Those firsthand accounts, as relayed to ABC News by sources, underscore what could be at stake as Trump seeks a return to the White House, and they are coming to light as he is likely on the verge of receiving formal government briefings again as the Republican Party's official nominee in the 2024 presidential election.

In interviews with investigators last year, former aides and national security officials who were close to Trump in the White House described a president who could erupt in anger when presented with intelligence he didn't want to hear, who routinely reviewed and stored classified information in unsecured locations, and who had what some former officials described as "a cavalier attitude" toward the damage that could be done by its disclosure, according to sources.

A book published on the CIA's website, describing the intelligence community's experience with Trump during his transition to the presidency and then his time in the White House, said that while Trump was "suspicious and insecure about the intelligence process," he still "engaged with it," even as he publicly attacked it.

The book also noted that Trump was "unique" among presidents in that, before taking over the White House, "he had no experience handling classified information or working with military, diplomatic, or intelligence programs and operations."

'Hand in the woodchipper'
As former officials described meetings with Trump to Smith's team, Trump only wanted to listen to new information about certain parts of the world, according to sources.

In particular, the sources said, Smith's team was told that Trump was uninterested in hearing about Latin America or countries that he similarly thought were not essential. The sources said witnesses confirmed previous public reporting that Trump referred to such places as "s---hole countries" and suggested the United States should stop welcoming migrants from them.

Today, on the presidential campaign trail, Trump continues to rail against migrants from Latin American countries and others who reached the southern border through parts of Latin America.

Sources said former officials also told Smith's team that Trump refused to listen to certain briefings related to Russia, saying Trump "absolutely" didn't want to hear about Russian influence operations, and he couldn't be convinced that Russian troops were already operating inside Ukraine -- even as his own administration was publicly calling out their routine incursions into the country's eastern region to support Russian-backed separatists.

On the campaign trail, Trump recently insisted that he would have prevented Russia's all-out invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 if he were still commander-in-chief.

According to the sources, one of Trump's former advisers joked with Smith's team last year that bringing up Russia during a meeting with Trump was like "stick[ing] my hand in the woodchipper again."

In its most recent worldwide assessment, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence concluded that Russia continues to pose a significant threat to U.S. national security and, more broadly, to "rules-based international order."

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As he has done in public, Trump often privately disagreed with conclusions reached by the U.S. intelligence community, especially related to Russia and Ukraine, choosing instead to rely on unverified claims from other people, sources said that Smith's investigators were told.

And sources said former aides confirmed to Smith's investigators previous media reports that Trump almost never read the President's Daily Brief, a report summarizing classified intelligence and analysis on the day's most pressing issues.

Trump preferred to receive such summaries verbally, according to sources.

Reached for comment, a spokesperson for Trump referred ABC News to a statement by the former president in which he called the classified documents case a "two-tiered system of justice and unconstitutional selective prosecution."

A spokesperson for the special counsel declined to comment to ABC News.

'Like a junk drawer'
Throughout Trump's presidency, many of those who interacted with Trump every day saw him bring classified documents to unsecured locations, raising concerns among some of them, several witnesses told Smith's team, the sources said.

As early as 2018, the Office of the Staff Secretary, which manages the documents flowing to the Oval Office, began asking personnel in the White House about documents that had gone missing, including some classified ones, one of Trump's personal valets told investigators, sources said.

And at one point, sources said the valet recalled, he even warned the staff secretary's office that classified documents were being taken out of secure locations in white boxes and ending up in all sorts of potentially concerning places.

According to the sources, several witnesses told Smith's team that they routinely saw classified documents or classified folders in Trump's White House residence, and that Trump would sometimes store as many as 30 boxes in his bedroom, which one valet said Trump treated "like a junk drawer."

"I did not think that he respected what classified information was," sources quoted one former official as telling investigators.

In Trump's first year in office, several media reports described how Trump had allegedly exposed sensitive information: In February 2017, he and Japan's then-prime minister reportedly discussed a response to North Korea's latest ballistic missile test over dinner in a crowded dining room at Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, and then two months later Trump told the Philippines president on a phone call that the U.S. military had positioned two nuclear submarines near North Korea.

The following month, Trump reportedly shared highly-sensitive intelligence about ISIS with Russian officials visiting the White House.

Some witnesses who spoke with Smith's team, however, said they were not concerned by what they saw while Trump was president.

Robert O'Brien, who served as Trump's national security adviser at the end of his presidency, told Smith's team that Trump "consistently" handled classified information appropriately, sources said.

'The Hunger Games'
As some former officials described it to Smith's investigators, discussing the latest intelligence with Trump could be an unpredictable task, sources said.

At times he would become so upset over what senior national security or intelligence officials were telling him that it would derail entire meetings, according to sources familiar with what witnesses told investigators.

In one series of meetings, ahead of an international summit in Europe, Trump met with then-CIA director Gina Haspel, then-Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and others to help plan for the summit. But when Trump was told positive things about one of the people he would likely meet at the summit, Trump "lost it," insisting that he didn't care, then he "lost it" again when he was being updated on a tax-related negotiation involving Mnuchin, sources said.

The sources said Trump then pitted one of his top aides against Mnuchin in front of everyone else, escalating the tension so much that it reminded one of those present of the movie "The Hunger Games," with its dystopian death match broadcast live on national TV.

The book published on the CIA's website quoted former President Barack Obama's director of national intelligence, James Clapper, as saying that Trump was prone to "fly off on tangents; there might be eight or nine minutes of real intelligence in an hour's discussion."

And while the intelligence community worked with evidence, Trump "was 'fact-free' -- evidence doesn't cut it with him," according to Clapper.

Still, Clapper said Trump could be "courteous, affable, and complimentary" when he engaged with or referred to members of the U.S. intelligence community.

'People were really angry'
Sources said that, as one former official described it to Smith's team, Trump's posting of the image from Iran's failed rocket launch revealed how the then-president "just didn't care" about protecting classified information.

In 2021, Yahoo! News described how, during his briefing with intelligence officials, Trump thought the image "was very neat, and asked if he could keep it," which made some of the intelligence officials nervous, according to an administration official. But that news report didn't offer the same detailed account provided to Smith by witnesses last year.

Sources told ABC News that while speaking with Smith's team, former aides and officials said Trump was specifically warned at the time that while he had the authority to declassify the image of Iran's botched launch, there were also potential risks associated with doing that.

Trump initially agreed to wait while intelligence officials were then consulted, sources said, but the intelligence officials apparently took too long; about an hour later, Trump posted the image online.

"I was so appalled," one former national security official told Smith's team, according to the sources.

The former official noted that Trump may have believed it wasn't a big deal -- but only an expert would know if releasing such classified information could reveal "how we got it" it and whether it could "compromise our ability to get [it] in the future," the former official explained to Smith's team, according to the sources.

3 hours ago, honolulu horn said:

COURT CANCELLED TODAY! Rigged judge finally decides to do the Right thing and cancel this mockery of justice. No one at the Courtroom today because They Know they have been found out as the crooked sheep they are. EXONERATED!

You know, a lot of people are saying this is the greatest exoneration in history, believe me.  Commemorative exoneration desk lamps will be available for $14,750 on Truth Social by this evening, sure to become a collector's item when I'm convicted in plus-or-minus six weeks.

2 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

This is a horrible trial schedule. It is essentially half-days and partial weeks. Gross. 

Bunch of lazy fucks. 

3 hours ago, locodos said:

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Sticking it to The MAN!

Even though they get Wednesdays off, you know it's been a grueling trial schedule when you can only jerk off one ghost at a time, instead of a double-dutch.  

5 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Yeah, I would think in a "normal" trial with a low profile defendant who doesn't have access to a mob...it would be a mistrial and chalked up to some insane lone wolf looking for attention.  But in this case, Trump is literally stirring up his minions to act out.  Hard to prove, but the fingerprints are already there in his posts and press conferences.  Maybe that's a separate legal issue on its own, but I guess---what is the threshold for "You did this to disrupt the case, so we're seating an alternate juror and moving ahead?"  I would imagine it's a whole other ball of motions, filings, and contentions?  

The invited error doctrine (I'm paraphrasing): you don't have a legal basis to complain of error for which you are responsible.  If they can tie back any prejudice toward Trump as being caused by Trump in the first place, he doesn't have a legal basis for that argument.

 

The mob always was smart enough not to overtly intimidate jurors.  They'd find out who they were, go up to them during their day to day life outside of court, and try to reason with them to see it the defendant's way.  That juror would be afraid for his own, Mrs. Juror's and little Timmy's safety, and would hang the jury during deliberations rather than squeal about it.

But Trump's "mob" isn't The Mob, so when he or one of his minions tries to intimidate people, it tends to be in a loud, blundering way, and they get caught and it gets linked to some blather on Trump's Truth social.  Wash.  Rinse.  Repeat.

 

Plus, Trump's fixers are kind of busy testifying against him at the moment.

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5 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

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Bobb fucked around and is about to find out.  I would like to be there when she asks her employer to pay for her legal defense.

I think she just got a gig as council at the RNC.  Credit the simulation - as she is apparently counsel for “Election Integrity”.

More sum bitches who will not be able to be pardoned by Trump if convicted. 

 

 

Just now, Gatorubet said:

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Bobb fucked around and is about to find out.  I would like to be there when she asks her employer to pay for her legal defense.

I think she just got a gig as council at the RNC.  Credit the simulation - as she is apparently counsel for “Election Integrity”.

More sum bitches who will not be able to be pardoned by Trump if convicted. 

 

 


id hate fuck her for all of us

Just now, Gatorubet said:

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Bobb fucked around and is about to find out.  I would like to be there when she asks her employer to pay for her legal defense.

I think she just got a gig as council at the RNC.  Credit the simulation - as she is apparently counsel for “Election Integrity”.

More sum bitches who will not be able to be pardoned by Trump if convicted. 

 

 

Is that your name or, like, what you do?

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3 hours ago, locodos said:

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Sticking it to The MAN!

FIFY

 

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59 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

Cunt Kelli Ward in there too 

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2 hours ago, locodos said:

and they are coming to light as he is likely on the verge of receiving formal government briefings again as the Republican Party's official nominee in the 2024 presidential election.

 

Absolutely no reason, other than turdition, that Biden has to let the DOTarD get briefed. Biden should deny the briefings, and if he gets called out, issue a statement something like

"Given the fact that the Republican nominee is currently under criminal indictment for mishandling of confidential documents, as well as the reports of his cavalier attitude to top secret information during his time at the White House, we have decided to deny his request to be part of these briefings." 

At least Rudy has plenty of money to hire an excellent legal team to defend him.  Oh wait.  

5 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Has anyone in these attorneys' sphere of influence bothered to tell them what happens when just writing down "legal reimbursements" on an expense report is validated now?  

Bought a hooker?  Totally fine, reimbursed my attorney who paid her in cash

Bought a kilo of blow?  Totally fine, reimbursed my attorney who paid him in cash

Had somebody killed on contract?  Totally fine, reimbursed my attorney who paid the assassin in cash.  

I cannot wrap my head around how this is an actual defense strategy.  Surely they can some up with something better.  This is like bad plot device left outta the script,  from Lethal Weapon 2 

This is the plot to Breaking Bad. 

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2 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Absolutely no reason, other than turdition, that Biden has to let the DOTarD get briefed. Biden should deny the briefings, and if he gets called out, issue a statement something like

"Given the fact that the Republican nominee is currently under criminal indictment for mishandling of confidential documents, as well as the reports of his cavalier attitude to top secret information during his time at the White House, we have decided to deny his request to be part of these briefings." 

What the briefing should say is that the freshwater condenser on Midway Island is out of commission. 

22 minutes ago, GopherRock said:

What the briefing should say is that the freshwater condenser on Midway Island is out of commission. 

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26 minutes ago, GopherRock said:

What the briefing should say is that the freshwater condenser on Midway Island is out of commission. 

“AF will soon have amazing fresh water.  The very best.  Wow.  It will be beautiful and tremendous.  Even though they said it could never be done.”

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29 minutes ago, GopherRock said:

What the briefing should say is that the freshwater condenser on Midway Island is out of commission. 

there ain't nuthin' wrong with the freshwater condenser...I wuz just ovah there

14 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

This is also how you know the Jeffrey Epstein related stuff (rape of minors) is likely true. He never attacked Maxwell. He never attacked Epstein either. Never dug at Hilary by talking about Bill and Epstein. Epstein and Maxwell knew where the all bodies were buried regarding his misdeeds with them. Same with Pecker. He is not going to attack him because decades of covered up shit might start hitting the Enquirer or come out in court. 

He is attacking Cohen because Cohen already spilled most of their misdeeds since Cohen was heading to prison anyway or Cohen won't bring up anything else that might see Cohen back in prison.  Same with Stormy, probably has no more dirt on him.  It is interesting he has not attacked McDougal, as far as I know. She probably knows other dirt on him from the Playboy days that he would not want known.

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1 minute ago, Gil Bang said:

there ain't nuthin' wrong with the freshwater condenser...I wuz just ovah there

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