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I'm surprised Michael Rapaport is still alive after yesterday:

 

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    Imagine your basis of hating Trump is because of mean tweets, January 6 and “hush money” trial all because liberal media is crooked. Fuck right off. This is my last post in this forum  dumb fucki

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    When you're a court, you just grab their asset, and they let you do it!

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    Bye bitch. Enjoy living in literal hell if your man Biden is re elected

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42 minutes ago, C-Man said:

This is making the rounds

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People are so god damned stupid....

 

11 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

Trump was already a broken man but this trial may have sent him over the edge. And he’s got a few more trials to go. 

 

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1 minute ago, LCHorn said:

I like that he made sure to not omit Russian as a normal, commonly spoken language.  

I’m shocked he didn’t say illegals spoke Mexican or some ching-chong China language. 

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13 minutes ago, immamac said:

My dad sounds like this and he's fucking retarded and his brain turned to mush after years of prescription drug abuse. 

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53 minutes ago, Red Five said:


Dotard’s attorney is going on tv and blaming the prosecution for not calling witnesses that would have helped the defense.

And he looks like a complete idiot to everyone...except the 80 million people who are going to vote for trump in November. I. Just. Don't. Get. It.

Trump:  We will appeal!

Manhattan Appeals Court:

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16 minutes ago, immamac said:

My dad sounds like this and he's fucking retarded and his brain turned to mush after years of prescription drug abuse. 

I’m sorry. 

This motherfucker is 100% going to try to start a civil war.

 

“Languages Unknown”?

well that’s the same of my new buffet restaurant.  It is literally impossible this fucking moron was the President. 

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2 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

This motherfucker is 100% going to try to start a civil war.

 

Charge up those scooters ….

 

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2 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

This motherfucker is 100% going to try to start a civil war.

 

Lowest energy civil war of all time. He looks and sounds completely defeated.

8 minutes ago, Mittens said:

Trump:  We will appeal!

Manhattan Appeals Court:

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hopefully he starts talking shit about them today. he’s going to get the slap back of slap backs 

 

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This is how a democracy fails ….

 

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

This is making the rounds

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I always love the Christian Nationalist portrayal of Jesus as a white guy.  Man he sure would have stood out back then.  No wonder people followed him.

3 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

This is how a democracy fails ….

 

The State of New York should then invite the Supreme Court to attempt to enforce its ruling.

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JD Vance on with Wolf/CNN talking about Merchan should've "recused" himself from the trial. That's fucking rich.

JD is a shit-bag.

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Mechan needs to send him to jail.  Yes it will be a pain in the ass, but so fucking what.  He deserves it and at some point gonna have to rip the bandaid off.  The people who are pissed are not going to all of a sudden be not pissed so might as well do the right thing instead of trying to thread some needle.

Just now, C-Man said:

JD Vance on with Wolf/CNN talking about Merchan should've "recused" himself from the trial. That's fucking rich.

JD is a shit-bag.

....why?

And I am sure that doesn't apply to Cannon needing to recuse.

Just now, Js1 said:

....why?

And I am sure that doesn't apply to Cannon needing to recuse.

Because he donated to Biden's campaign or something, then he pivoted to Merchan's daughter making money hand-over-fist from Dem interests. Wolf fired back that Merchan gave Biden like $15 one time. Wolf is actually pushing back on JD's bullshit.

6 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

I always love the Christian Nationalist portrayal of Jesus as a white guy.  

And Trump as a Christian.

53 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

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Well that bouffant didn't fall far from the bouffant tree 

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Rough night?

 

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3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

....why?

And I am sure that doesn't apply to Cannon needing to recuse.

justice Alito wants to know why you aren’t watching the news

JD: "Why didn't they charge with something more than a paper violation?"

News flash, JD, there's more to come -- shit a lot worse than a 'paper violation.'

Prepare thy anus.

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52 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

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That suit was simply unprecedented in oval office history.  Oh wait....

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He had his flaws but good god I wish Mike Wallace was still around to face off with some of these dipshits.

Gotta give Wolf some credit here. I wouldn't have been able to restrain myself from slapping JD across the face in the first minute of that interview.

5 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

That suit was simply unprecedented in oval office history.  Oh wait....

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2 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

That suit was simply unprecedented in oval office history.  Oh wait....

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Although, I suppose they might a point in that others have worn the look better...

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6 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

That suit was simply unprecedented in oval office history.  Oh wait....

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Clinton looks like he's auditioning for an early Monday Night Football gig

Just now, C-Man said:

Clinton looks like he's auditioning for an early Monday Night Football gig

One post up.

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1 minute ago, smuggs said:

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First thing I thought of.  And of course smuggs got to it first.  Well played.

New nickname.

Tefelon Don.

I think this one will stick.

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17 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

We were toasting at a rooftop bar on W 35th.

I didn’t go out yesterday so I am sure I probably missed some celebrating, especially further down in Manhattan.

9 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

One post up.

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7 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

Although, I suppose they might a point in that others have worn the look better...

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i have to wonder if they developed that color for suit jackets because they looked good on black and white sets? color tv sales didn't surpass black and white in the US until 1972. 

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Pretty much all my frustration is with the Republican party and their voters. When did they lose their pride?

I think it was the moment they were fooled into believing that reality television was actually real. 

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Wolf tried to push back on Vance, but American journalists are not well equipped intellectually to counter the firehose of bullshit from the current cult conmen. We need British or Australian journos to teach ours how to handle this bullshit. 

58 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

“Languages Unknown”?

Someone should tell him one of the languages was Klingon.

1 hour ago, immamac said:

Yeah that's what makes this illegal. Not actually paying her to stfu and go away that's totally fine and what they are leaning on. They are conveniently omitting the fact that he did this with intent to influence the election. 

His lawyer may not have understood the charges based on his interviews. It's not that complicated but it is not straightforward either which leaves tons of room for the spin that's happening. 

This is slightly off-point. There is an intermediate step between 'legal' and 'felony' that can make this a misdemeanor. 

If the same exact conduct had been proved (ie., Cohen paid Stormy, then Trump reimburses Cohen but accounts the payments as a business expense and not a personal expense), but the jury decided that Trump did so to save his marriage, that is a misdemeanor. 

You are correct that the intent to further another crime (eg., influence the election or to commit tax fraud) makes this a felony, but what Trump world is getting wrong is that there is almost no world where Trump gets off without a misdemeanor charge. 

 

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34 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Mechan needs to send him to jail.  Yes it will be a pain in the ass, but so fucking what.  He deserves it and at some point gonna have to rip the bandaid off.  The people who are pissed are not going to all of a sudden be not pissed so might as well do the right thing instead of trying to thread some needle.

100% agree, but everything I'm reading is that he's very unlikely to go to jail due to his age and lack of prior criminal record.

Is that about right, Surly legal minds?

Sidebar: I'm not sure why his age matters, when he wouldn't be going to Gen Pop anyway.  Besides, the motherfucker is a 34-time felon, and he should be shanked to death in a shower like the rest of us.

7 minutes ago, Askew said:

This is slightly off-point. There is an intermediate step between 'legal' and 'felony' that can make this a misdemeanor. 

If the same exact conduct had been proved (ie., Cohen paid Stormy, then Trump reimburses Cohen but accounts the payments as a business expense and not a personal expense), but the jury decided that Trump did so to save his marriage, that is a misdemeanor. 

You are correct that the intent to further another crime (eg., influence the election or to commit tax fraud) makes this a felony, but what Trump world is getting wrong is that there is almost no world where Trump gets off without a misdemeanor charge. 

 

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/how-could-trumps-new-york-hush-money-trial-end

I don't think he did it for the writeoff. That's the point, he would have just paid himself to pay cohen in the situation you are explaining. 

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Donald Trump committed crimes and a jury found him guilty. He was convicted on all counts Thursday, without much hesitation. 

"The only voice that matters is the voice of the jury," Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said afterward, "and the jury has spoken." 

 

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For the past eight years, a lot of essentially simple truths were treated as matters of paralyzing complexity. A man who ran his entire business empire on fraud, systematically cheated on his taxes, committed sexual assault, and conspired with his henchmen to obstruct justice had made himself into a presidential candidate, and then a president, and then an ex-president, and that second set of facts was somehow supposed to change the original, underlying facts. Presidents didn't do those sorts of things. Or, if a president did do those things, it certainly couldn't count—that would mean the president of the United States was a criminal, and that would mean ... well, it just couldn't. 

 

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A little over a year ago, as Bragg prepared and delivered his indictment of Trump, there was a swift, broad agreement among people who comment on politics, Democratic- and Republican-aligned alike, that something terrible, foolhardy—distasteful—was happening. Even the people who professed to believe Trump was a criminal and wanted him held accountable for something were put out. 

 

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Bragg had, as the truculent liberal New York magazine pundit Jonathan Chait wrote, wandered into the danger of "the criminalization of politics." Piously shifty New York Times conservative columnist Ross Douthat wrote that Bragg was filing "doubtful charges" that could "establish a pattern of legal revenge seeking against the out-of-power party." 

The Washington Post editorial board fretted that the charges might be "shaky" and that the New York indictment was  "perhaps the least compelling" of the cases against Trump. With other prosecutors pursuing more "straightforward" charges against Trump, the board warned, a "failed prosecution over the hush-money payment could put them all in jeopardy." 

"I hate the fact that this particular case is the one they’re throwing against him," Douthat's conservative teammate Bret Stephens wrote in one of his light-lifting Odd Couple chat-columns with Gail Collins. "The case in Georgia is so much stronger."

The first prong of that style of complaint depended on a nonexistent "they"—some unified anti-Trump law-enforcement conspiracy that chose to have the Manhattan district attorney file charges for the New York state crimes Trump had committed, out of all the available crimes in all the available jurisdictions. But if Bragg's indictment did have any relation to other prosecutors' decision-making, the effect seemed to be that it shook loose their indictments, not that it preempted them. 

It was the second part of the complaint, though, where the pundit chorus truly found its voice. Because the politics of the indictment were so uncomfortable, emotional logic demanded that there must also have been something wrong with it legally. Instantly, everyone was an expert on the details of how the New York criminal code applied to business activity. 

"To imagine this particular combination of campaign-finance charges and business-records enforcement as simply 'the law' is wildly naïve," Chait wrote. "Prosecutors have some cases that clearly constitute crimes (say, tax fraud), others that clearly do not constitute crimes, and a nebulous middle ground in which judgment is required."

In a situation that demanded "clear evidence, all-but-obvious guilt and loads of legal precedent behind your case," Douthat wrote, the New York case "does not have the look of a slam dunk."

"The way I read it, Trump is goading Bragg to indict," Stephens wrote in another of his Collins chats. "It would be an exceptionally weak case, resting on what is ordinarily a misdemeanor offense."

None of these people knew what they were talking about. They were holding forth with assurance, in tones of authority, about matters on which they were completely, professionally ignorant. Nor was the ignorance restricted to full-time journalists. Law professor Jed Handelsman Shugarman declared in a Times opinion piece that the indictment "was a setback for the rule of law and established a dangerous precedent for prosecutors" and predicted that the case was "so weak on its legal and jurisdictional basis that a state judge might dismiss the case and mitigate that damage," or that Trump could mount federal challenges so that a trial "would most likely not start until at least mid-2024, possibly even after the 2024 election."

While the opinion-havers were indulging themselves in mythology or fantasy—Trump as the embodiment of the will of the people, whose wrathful political power would only grow if challenged by law, or Trump as the highest of criminals, who must be punished by the highest of authorities—Bragg was putting together the documents and witnesses that would sustain 34 felony counts in a Manhattan courtroom. While the prosecutors with weightier, more historic-sounding charges were getting bogged down in their timelines and stymied by Trump's judiciary, the squalid little hush-money case kept moving. 

Donald Trump's political career has been one long demonstration that the legal structures that were supposed to be the bedrock of the rule of law are worthless. Impeachment was no match for a cynically disciplined political party. The Emoluments Clause and the Insurrection Clause are words on paper that the Supreme Court chose not to read. Even a well-tested prosecution machine like the Espionage Act is nothing that a determined judge can't rig her way around. 

What caught up with Donald Trump was not the majesty of the republic but a civil suit for sexually assaulting someone in a department-store changing room and lying about it, and another civil suit for cooking the books on his property assessments, and now the criminal charges for covering up his hush-money payments. He is, as a matter of legal record, a rapist, a fraud, and a felon, on the edge of financial ruin and at risk of imprisonment. He might yet return to the White House, but he'll go there as a convicted crook.

 

 

26 minutes ago, elfenix said:

i have to wonder if they developed that color for suit jackets because they looked good on black and white sets? color tv sales didn't surpass black and white in the US until 1972. 

Probably.  Gibson created a guitar finish called "TV Yellow" that came across as white on TV.  A true white finish just blew out the camera feed.

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