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2 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I get that emotions were running high, and I get that whole mob mentality thing.    But I swear to God, I cannot fathom what was going through her brain when she thought that attacking elected representatives in Congress was a good idea, given the locked doors to keep you out - and the armed security who have their weapons drawn and pointed at you - telling you to stop or they’ll shoot - makes you think,  “Ya know…this might be a really good time to try to bash out the window between us and crawl through it to get to those people.”

Up until that point they got their way without any consequences, there was no reason to think that someone would eventually draw the line.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Well…see…these people are deluded fucking morons of the highest order.
That’s how they end up doing deluded moron things.

Really makes you wish they'd attended a Jesse Jackson speech beforehand instead. 😉

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Yep, never busy as all the others around, but people brag about open carrying there….which I’m not sure is legal?
30 minutes ago, 1978horn said:


Yep, never busy as all the others around, but people brag about open carrying there….which I’m not sure is legal?

Bragging about drinking alcohol while open carrying is not Big Dick Energy.

Swatting is not cool.  He didn however get paid a visit by TABC that was about to go sideways for the distillery, but then somebody felt bad about all the employees that'd be out of a job, one of whom is neighbors with his cousin out in Belterra.  

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5 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

I get that emotions were running high, and I get that whole mob mentality thing.    But I swear to God, I cannot fathom what was going through her brain when she thought that attacking elected representatives in Congress was a good idea, given the locked doors to keep you out - and the armed security who have their weapons drawn and pointed at you - telling you to stop or they’ll shoot - makes you think,  “Ya know…this might be a really good time to try to bash out the window between us and crawl through it to get to those people.”

She was in the Air Force, which means she would know there are places you don’t go if you don’t want to get shot - the AF is a little touchy about some things.  But she was also mentally ill so maybe they booted her out.

11 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

I get that emotions were running high, and I get that whole mob mentality thing.    But I swear to God, I cannot fathom what was going through her brain when she thought that attacking elected representatives in Congress was a good idea, given the locked doors to keep you out - and the armed security who have their weapons drawn and pointed at you - telling you to stop or they’ll shoot - makes you think,  “Ya know…this might be a really good time to try to bash out the window between us and crawl through it to get to those people.”

Probably a 9mm JHP

4 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

RIP to these magnets for stochastic terrorism. Nice to see they have such a high bar for whomever gets their vote.

“I’m a former Trump voter. I won’t vote for a convicted felon.”***

 

 

****unless Sleepy Jo eats ice cream again

51 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

Reminds me of the Onion 's American Voices features where its the same pictures used with stupid quotes. These faces are actors. Trump voters will still vote for him. Even the ones who say they'll sit this one out are either lying, or they'll change their mind when the "immigrant caravan" and "woke mob" attacks comes out in late October.

On 6/2/2024 at 9:15 AM, TwiceHorn said:

The most fertile ground for appeal, I think, is that jurors were given a choice of "predicate" offenses and were not instructed to agree on which one it was.  See Jury Instructions, starting at page 28.  https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/People v. DJT Jury Instructions and Charges FINAL 5-23-24.pdf  Specifically:

Although you must conclude unanimously that the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means, you need not be unanimous as to what those unlawful means were. In determining whether the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means, you may consider the following unlawful means: (1) violations of the Federal Election Campaign Act otherwise known as FECA; (2) the falsification of other business records; or (3) violation of tax laws.

The choice stems from the fact that the actual "another crime" is NEW YORK ELECTION LAW § 17-152, which is as follows:

Any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means and which conspiracy is acted upon by one or more of the parties thereto, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.

The predicates 1, 2, and 3 are unlawful means.  So we have a triple nesting of statutes here.

That could potentially be a legal error that results in remand for a new trial.  It is about the only aspect of the case and jury instructions that wasn't well-settled in NY law, at least as far as I know or can tell from reportage etc.

People are doing a lot of spewing about evidentiary rulings, letting Stormy Daniels and Access Hollywood stuff in, keeping Trump's legal expert out.  I don't think those are going anywhere.

This is a standard unanimity charge instruction for alternative manners and means.  

Here is the offense Trump was convicted of: 

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NY Penal Law sec. 175.10

A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.

NY Penal Law sec. 175.05

A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the second degree when, with intent to defraud, he:

1. Makes or causes a false entry in the business records of an enterprise;  or

2. Alters, erases, obliterates, deletes, removes or destroys a true entry in the business records of an enterprise;  or

3. Omits to make a true entry in the business records of an enterprise in violation of a duty to do so which he knows to be imposed upon him by law or by the nature of his position;  or

4. Prevents the making of a true entry or causes the omission thereof in the business records of an enterprise.

Falsifying business records in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.

 

The bolded section is where the alternatives were presented.  In Texas, the instruction given in this situation was proper.  This does not even consider how or whether error was preserved on this issue.  

 

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How would a corndog impact your decision?

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Biggest own goal in political history.  Oof. 

On 6/3/2024 at 11:45 AM, atomheartbevo said:

That rascal Raskin

 

Why are democrats in the bag for this guy? It's weird.

2 minutes ago, Pokoloco said:

Why are democrats in the bag for this guy? It's weird.

Why is it weird?

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14 minutes ago, Pokoloco said:

Why are democrats in the bag for this guy? It's weird.

I wouldn’t characterize people that support Fauci as democrats. People that support(ed) Fauci were concerned about minimizing the effects of a global pandemic.

If you characterize people that heed the advice of the CDC and virologists and science exclusively as democrats, that probably says more about you. At this point, Fauci is a symbol of pragmatism that stands against the legion of conspiracy minded morons.

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27 minutes ago, Pokoloco said:

Why are democrats in the bag for this guy? It's weird.

Why are people who aren't science deniers siding with one of the world's foremost scientists against science deniers?

Yeah, that's a real thinker.

1 hour ago, Shaddie said:

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Other side of his sign said “Trump is a cancer on democracy”.  Location was Uxbridge MA.  

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11 minutes ago, GenXer said:

I wouldn’t characterize people that support Fauci as democrats. People that support(ed) Fauci were concerned about minimizing the effects of a global pandemic.

If you characterize people that heed the advice of the CDC and virologists and science exclusively as democrats, that probably says more about you. At this point, Fauci is a symbol of pragmatism that stands against the legion of conspiracy minded morons.

This.  And note that this approach also allows for the conclusion of "and maybe he got some of the response wrong, even way-wrong."  Because people were figuring this shit out on the fly, and coming up with the best solutions they thought applicable in the moment.  And there were indeed alternate/counter-approaches that were out there that they opted against -- correctly, wrongly, and sometimes still undetermined.  And on top of THAT, the choices were often "bad choice A" vs. "bad choice B," and they had to pick the less bad one.  And then get attacked for "look at this!  The option he picked was bad!"  No shit.  ALL options are bad.

And finally, the lambasting him as some evil mastermind director of some sinister conspiracy is the thing that pisses me off the most.  Over my not-short life, I've had to deal with countless government bureaucrats, functionaries, administrators, and sometimes quite senior folks in that respect.  My old man was a federal regulator in the field; I have had to deal with regulators at various levels throughout my career; I have friends and family who have been and are involved at all levels of the government (including people who are on a first-name basis with senators and presidents). 

And through all of that, I HAVE met a few "true believers."  For example, I had to deal with an old hippie gal at the EPA who wouldn't let go of an issue, with little vision of the practicality of things.  But 99.9% of the time....these people are just fucking people, man.  They have no sinister agenda, no secret plan.  They have a mission/purpose that is no secret (Fauci worked for the infectious disease agency....which deals with...infectious diseases).  They pursue that mission using the best available information, with good intentions, to the best of their ability.  We don't really hear about it when they succeed, and YES, sometimes they fail (like literally every other human being, public or private sector).  Was Fauci involved in research of coronoaviruses?  Shit, it would have been criminally stupid and impossible to explain if he HADN'T BEEN - they had long ago been flagged as a key infectious disease risk in the wake of our human experience with SARS and MERS.  "A-HA!  Fauci was involved in researching coronaviruses [because they were a known fucking risk of giving rise to a pandemic] and waddaya know, a coronavirus caused a pandemic!  DO THE MATH, SHEEPLE!"

I worked closely with lots of people in official positions responding to the pandemic.  There was no secret agenda, no hidden plan.  People were dying, resources were strained, solutions were hard to find.  They did the best they could.  The fucking psychotic Republican need to find a demon everywhere they look (gee, every accusation is a confession) is fucking infuriating, assholish, and flat-out evil.  It's one of several things I hate them for.

Fauci may have done a great job, he may have done a terrible job....odds are, he did a job that was something in between.  But characterizing him as an evil mass murderer and shit is psychotic, twisted, and sick.  And people who do that are psychotic, twisted, and sick.  And I hate them.  A lot.

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56 minutes ago, Pokoloco said:

Why are democrats in the bag for this guy? It's weird.

I think the Republicans obsession with him is far, far weirder.  We experienced an unprecedented pandemic.  The guy who was essentially the Michael Jordan of infectious diseases became the face of the fight against it.  Republicans realized early-on that they needed a boogeyman to pin the horror of 2020 on (and couldn't pick the leader of the country, for obvious reasons) so they settled on this guy.  

There should be absolutely no reason anyone is still talking about him in 2024, let alone calling him before congress to yell at him.

59 minutes ago, Pokoloco said:

Why are democrats in the bag for this guy? It's weird.

To think there are people who question him is mind blowing. He ain’t perfect and he made some mistakes. He also said Covid is deadly. Can you show me where it wasn’t?

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I see pokoloco has dropped in for his bi-annual, vapid observation. 

good talk, russ

1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Court response:

“Well, Donald, if you somehow win your appeal, you will find yourself in court again being tried by the same people for the same thing. Since you are so bigly sure you will win that appeal because of my rigged trial, I simply can’t terminate the gag order……because according to you, I will need it again…… at least that’s what my daughter says.”

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2 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I think the Republicans obsession with him is far, far weirder.  We experienced an unprecedented pandemic.  The guy who was essentially the Michael Jordan of infectious diseases became the face of the fight against it.  Republicans realized early-on that they needed a boogeyman to pin the horror of 2020 on (and couldn't pick the leader of the country, for obvious reasons) so they settled on this guy.  

There should be absolutely no reason anyone is still talking about him in 2024, let alone calling him before congress to yell at him.

Don't forget that Dr. Fauci had the temerity to contradict their orange diety when he said stupid shit like the government should experiment on people by injecting bleach or Lysol into them.  The Fauci-haters that I worked with mainly objected, and I quote one of them directly, "He thinks he's smarter than the President.  He can't contradict the President!"

1 hour ago, Pokoloco said:

Why are democrats in the bag for this guy? It's weird.

 

6 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I see pokoloco has dropped in for his bi-annual, vapid observation. 

good talk, russ

The last time he popped in here with his drive-by bullshit, he said he wouldn't be back, and yet here he is again.

 

5 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

The Fauci-haters that I worked with mainly objected, and I quote one of them directly, "He thinks he's smarter than the President.  He can't contradict the President!"

I don’t think I would be able to handle that gracefully. 

4 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Don't forget that Dr. Fauci had the temerity to contradict their orange diety when he said stupid shit like the government should experiment on people by injecting bleach or Lysol into them.  The Fauci-haters that I worked with mainly objected, and I quote one of them directly, "He thinks he's smarter than the President.  He can't contradict the President!"

That person is a bootlicking authoritarian. Tell him to go to Russia, North Korea, or China if he believes Dear Leader can't be contradicted.

2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

The last time he popped in here with his drive-by bullshit, he said he wouldn't be back, and yet here he is again.

 

Like most of Maga they can’t remember what they said yesterday, much less a few months ago. 

1 hour ago, Pokoloco said:

Why are democrats in the bag for this guy? It's weird.

Is this a joke?

1 minute ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Is this a joke?

It's his semiannual turd in the punchbowl.

5 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Is this a joke?

It’s laughable but not a joke. 

Taco Tuesday Happy hour posts. Bout to start mine, poko has a couple time zone advantage

45 minutes ago, Shaddie said:

Other side of his sign said “Trump is a cancer on democracy”.  Location was Uxbridge MA.  

If he is there tomorrow when I drive by I’m stopping and thanking him.

1 hour ago, Pokoloco said:

Why are democrats in the bag for this guy? It's weird.

Well see, it used to be true that not being stupid was a bipartisan goal…

50 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Don't forget that Dr. Fauci had the temerity to contradict their orange diety when he said stupid shit like the government should experiment on people by injecting bleach or Lysol into them.  The Fauci-haters that I worked with mainly objected, and I quote one of them directly, "He thinks he's smarter than the President.  He can't contradict the President!"

I fucking worm is smarter than former President and 34-time convicted felon Donald J. Trump.

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2 hours ago, Pokoloco said:

Why are democrats in the bag for this guy? It's weird.

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Come on Aileen

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  And note that this approach also allows for the conclusion of "and maybe he got some of the response wrong, even way-wrong."  Because people were figuring this shit out on the fly, and coming up with the best solutions they thought applicable in the moment.  And there were indeed alternate/counter-approaches that were out there that they opted against -- correctly, wrongly, and sometimes still undetermined.  And on top of THAT, the choices were often "bad choice A" vs. "bad choice B," and they had to pick the less bad one.  And then get attacked for "look at this!  The option he picked was bad!"  No shit.  ALL options are bad.

And finally, the lambasting him as some evil mastermind director of some sinister conspiracy is the thing that pisses me off the most.  Over my not-short life, I've had to deal with countless government bureaucrats, functionaries, administrators, and sometimes quite senior folks in that respect.  My old man was a federal regulator in the field; I have had to deal with regulators at various levels throughout my career; I have friends and family who have been and are involved at all levels of the government (including people who are on a first-name basis with senators and presidents). 

And through all of that, I HAVE met a few "true believers."  For example, I had to deal with an old hippie gal at the EPA who wouldn't let go of an issue, with little vision of the practicality of things.  But 99.9% of the time....these people are just fucking people, man.  They have no sinister agenda, no secret plan.  They have a mission/purpose that is no secret (Fauci worked for the infectious disease agency....which deals with...infectious diseases).  They pursue that mission using the best available information, with good intentions, to the best of their ability.  We don't really hear about it when they succeed, and YES, sometimes they fail (like literally every other human being, public or private sector).  Was Fauci involved in research of coronoaviruses?  Shit, it would have been criminally stupid and impossible to explain if he HADN'T BEEN - they had long ago been flagged as a key infectious disease risk in the wake of our human experience with SARS and MERS.  "A-HA!  Fauci was involved in researching coronaviruses [because they were a known fucking risk of giving rise to a pandemic] and waddaya know, a coronavirus caused a pandemic!  DO THE MATH, SHEEPLE!"

I worked closely with lots of people in official positions responding to the pandemic.  There was no secret agenda, no hidden plan.  People were dying, resources were strained, solutions were hard to find.  They did the best they could.  The fucking psychotic Republican need to find a demon everywhere they look (gee, every accusation is a confession) is fucking infuriating, assholish, and flat-out evil.  It's one of several things I hate them for.

Fauci may have done a great job, he may have done a terrible job....odds are, he did a job that was something in between.  But characterizing him as an evil mass murderer and shit is psychotic, twisted, and sick.  And people who do that are psychotic, twisted, and sick.  And I hate them.  A lot.

The acreage he takes up in their mind is bizarre.  Him and Gottlieb said the same things 100% of the time and none of them even know who Gottlieb is despite him being on TV all of the time back then.

12 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The acreage he takes up in their mind is bizarre.  Him and Gottlieb said the same things 100% of the time and none of them even know who Gottlieb is despite him being on TV all of the time back then.

He's part of the dEeP STatE!

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