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15 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

And it's clear that the ACC does not advocate for our interests. 

I have stayed out of the fray for the most part, but of all the things that have been spewed, this is the most insane bullshit anyone could possibly say.

Why the fuck should the ACC advocate for Notre Dame’s football interests? They get NOTHING from ND being in the playoffs or winning the championship. Not a damn fucking thing. 

Conversely, they lose a shit ton of money, and prestige, if Miami is left out. 

And you expect them to advocate for your football interests? Seriously that is the most fucked up thing I’ve read here.

ND treats the ACC like a cheap whore. You use them when it benefits you, but you do nothing to help the conference. Then you expect the conference to act like a cuck and defend your football interests and not those of an actual conference member even though you won’t share your football loot with them, even after they gave you a lifeline after Covid and provide a convenient home for your non-football sports. 

They don’t owe you a fucking thing. My god how fucking arrogant could you possibly be? Fuck off with this bullshit. I hope every team black lists ND from here on out. 
 

 

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    I have stayed out of the fray for the most part, but of all the things that have been spewed, this is the most insane bullshit anyone could possibly say. Why the fuck should the ACC advocate for

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    The loss in revenue for Texas from not playing ND at home would more than be made up for by making the playoffs. So let’s increase our odds of doing that while also telling ND to go fuck themselves. 

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Paul Wadlington made an interesting observation on his latest EGAT podcast. (He apparently wrote an article about it on IT if you have a subscription). His point was that not only was Notre Dame not in the top 10 programs of viewership for their games (where Texas was #2) but of the top 50 rated games this year, Notre Dame played in of them. Even their game against Pitt where Gameday went to the Pitt campus didn’t crack the top 50, and neither did their traditional blue blood game against USC. 
 

If the Big 10 and SEC stop scheduling them, what value do they bring to networks and at what point does NBC cancel/fail to renew that exclusive contract?

It's hilarious how ND is behaving in the first place, made doubly so by the fact that our resident ND poster is actually mentally retarded.

16 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

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How about the ACC?

Why should the ACC do a thing for ND when ND does nothing for them other than try to fuck over a direct member?

I’m sure it’s just regular rotation that their ACC schedule every year features Syracuse, Wake Forest, and/or Boston College.

23 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Hear hear. I've always kind of rolled my eyes at ND because of the special treatment they get, but this behavior has just pushed me into full fuck that program forever mode and they can get fucked and be excluded every year as far as I'm concerned until they decide to play by the same rules as everyone else.

i’ve hated Notre Dame since 1966 when that punk ass Ara Parseghian ran out the clock and kicked a field goal to tie Michigan State, and claim a national championship.

My dad explained the arrogance and hypocritical mindset that was Notre Dame, demanding to be treated special.  They were special, in a way.  Nobody else had an army of Catholic priests telling high school recruits that they had to go to Notre Dame and support their religion.  

Notre Dame intentionally playing for a tie sums up the essence of Notre Dame football.

36 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

iNotre Dame intentionally playing for a tie sums up the essence of Notre Dame football.

One of my office-mates in grad school was a guy named Claude Something, a Notre Dame graduate. Claude admitted he knew only two things abut Notre Dame football: (1) Notre Dame always had the best team in the country, which was only denied by anti-catholic enviers; (2) Notre Dame players were the only football players who had to take a pay cut when they went Pro.

It seems plausible that some of his family post on Surly Horns.

5 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

Paul Wadlington made an interesting observation on his latest EGAT podcast. (He apparently wrote an article about it on IT if you have a subscription). His point was that not only was Notre Dame not in the top 10 programs of viewership for their games (where Texas was #2) but of the top 50 rated games this year, Notre Dame played in 2 of them. Even their game against Pitt where Gameday went to the Pitt campus didn’t crack the top 50, and neither did their traditional blue blood game against USC. 
 

If the Big 10 and SEC stop scheduling them, what value do they bring to networks and at what point does NBC cancel/fail to renew that exclusive contract?

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22 hours ago, ITHorn said:

Notre Dame screwed Notre Dame by scheduling the way you do and not being in a conference. The lack of responsibility from ND fans is hilarious. Nobody forced ND to avoid joining a conference or scheduling well. If you had something to point to other than random metrics (like actual decent wins) you would have a point of consternation. Until you put skins on the wall, don't complain. 

 

4 hours ago, 'stache said:

I’m sure it’s just regular rotation that their ACC schedule every year features Syracuse, Wake Forest, and/or Boston College.

ND supplies the dates and the ACC supplies the teams.  We only know that everyone wants to play Notre Dame so they get roughly the same access.  I don't know when Cal and SMU jump in

 

The ACC signed a contract with Notre Dame, making us business partners.  The terms of this partnership inter alia, Notre Dame signed a grant of rights for All sports except football, Notre Dame agreed to five games a year against ACC teams in football. (Upping that to eight or nine ACC teams a year would on average be a weaker schedule).  

 

4 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

i’ve hated Notre Dame since 1966 when that punk ass Ara Parseghian ran out the clock and kicked a field goal to tie Michigan State, and claim a national championship.

My dad explained the arrogance and hypocritical mindset that was Notre Dame, demanding to be treated special.  They were special, in a way.  Nobody else had an army of Catholic priests telling high school recruits that they had to go to Notre Dame and support their religion.  

Notre Dame intentionally playing for a tie sums up the essence of Notre Dame football.

And have you ever heard anyone, in over 50 years, complaining about how Duffy Daugherty played for the tie at home?  There's a long established tradition of people complaining that Notre Dame gets 'preferential treatment' while those who know the history roll their eyes.

Question for the You didn't beat anyone crowd.  Why is Oregon in the playoff?  They beat Southern Cal (same as ND) and did not play an SEC team (unlike ND).  The Ducks spent their OOC on Montana (1-11), Oregon St  (2-10), OKST (1-11). The Ducks 2nd best win was 8-4 Iowa on a last minute fg.
 

@Vic Mackey  Massey rates our offense at #1.

They only had one loss to the #1 team and play in a real conference. Next.

6 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

Question for the You didn't beat anyone crowd.  Why is Oregon in the playoff?  They beat Southern Cal (same as ND) and did not play an SEC team (unlike ND).  The Ducks spent their OOC on Montana (1-11), Oregon St  (2-10), OKST (1-11). The Ducks 2nd best win was 8-4 Iowa on a last minute fg.
 

@Vic Mackey  Massey rates our offense at #1.

You got fucked over by a flawed system. So have many other teams over the years. The difference is they didn’t rage quit their bowl game and make an under the table deal to be exempted from the flawed system.

3 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

They only had one loss to the #1 team and play in a real conference. Next.

Oregon played one very good team and lost at home, one pretty good team (USC) and won at home. If the Ducks spent one OOC slot on an SEC team then it's 50:50 they go 10-2 and are in the scrum.

49 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

Oregon played one very good team and lost at home, one pretty good team (USC) and won at home. If the Ducks spent one OOC slot on an SEC team then it's 50:50 they go 10-2 and are in the scrum.

If  you had one loss you’d be in

8 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

Massey rates our offense at #1.

I have ND as #2

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Question for the You didn't beat anyone crowd.  Why is Oregon in the playoff?  They beat Southern Cal (same as ND) and did not play an SEC team (unlike ND).  The Ducks spent their OOC on Montana (1-11), Oregon St  (2-10), OKST (1-11). The Ducks 2nd best win was 8-4 Iowa on a last minute fg.
 
[mention=381]Vic Mackey[/mention]  Massey rates our offense at #1.
I think your beef should be that Tulane and JMU got in. At the very least, only one of those should have made it. Miami deserved it over ND because of head to head. ND would be in if any one of those 2 teams were left out.

But ND lost its 2 best games and when ran the table on a very below average schedule.
3 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

Oregon played one very good team and lost at home, one pretty good team (USC) and won at home. If the Ducks spent one OOC slot on an SEC team then it's 50:50 they go 10-2 and are in the scrum.

I don't disagree, but this is an argument to suggest Texas should be in the playoff over a number of teams including ND 

deplatform joe until he chooses to answer direct questions

this season's playoff committee decision is done

7 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

Oregon played one very good team and lost at home, one pretty good team (USC) and won at home. If the Ducks spent one OOC slot on an SEC team then it's 50:50 they go 10-2 and are in the scrum.

Well, they didn’t. They lost one less game than you.  Also, they would definitely beat Arkansas like everyone else this year. 

On 12/10/2025 at 3:26 PM, Hagbard Celine said:

@notre dame joe would you please use the word "independence" in your response to this question?:

please explain why notre dame believes notre dame is entitled to a special set of rules that apply only to notre dame

@notre dame joe would you please use the word "independence" in your response to this question?:

please explain why notre dame believes notre dame is entitled to a special set of rules that apply only to notre dame

8 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

You got fucked over by a flawed system. So have many other teams over the years. The difference is they didn’t rage quit their bowl game and make an under the table deal to be exempted from the flawed system.

They didn't get fucked over. They had two losses. They weren't entitled to shit. If they had gotten a playoff spot that would have been fine but they weren't some great elite team that got screwed. They were pretty good and nothing more.

The system is fine. No undefeated teams are going to be left out.

2 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

They didn't get fucked over. They had two losses. They weren't entitled to shit. If they had gotten a playoff spot that would have been fine but they weren't some great elite team that got screwed. They were pretty good and nothing more.

The system is fine. No undefeated teams are going to be left out.

The system is far from fine if you want to see marquee ooc games

Notre Dame is clearly the best football team to ever grace the gridiron

 

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the 1940's

Not gonna lie, I’d rather go down on a pop tart than a bag of cheese its.

13 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

Oregon played one very good team and lost at home, one pretty good team (USC) and won at home. If the Ducks spent one OOC slot on an SEC team then it's 50:50 they go 10-2 and are in the scrum.

Notre Dame needed to win one of the two good opponents they played. They lost both and should be out. You can’t refuse to be in a conference and then complain when you lose the only good teams you schedule. 

Speaking of USC, Oregon dominated that game and ND was losing halfway through the third. 

 

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

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The Pop Tart Bowl and the Cheez It are pretty much in the upper crust of bowls right now before an expanded playoffs at the universities wipes out most bowls. Cheez it and Pop Tart Bowl will survive tho. Notre Damnit acting like salty snail trails 

20 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

Question for the You didn't beat anyone crowd.  Why is Oregon in the playoff?  They beat Southern Cal (same as ND) and did not play an SEC team (unlike ND).  The Ducks spent their OOC on Montana (1-11), Oregon St  (2-10), OKST (1-11). The Ducks 2nd best win was 8-4 Iowa on a last minute fg.
 

@Vic Mackey  Massey rates our offense at #1.

Because they lost one less game. 

You're welcome. 

agreed the ACC and the Big 12 are leagues where they need the SOS/SOR and would be willing for one sided scheduling deals. 

the problem is that ND needs SEC and BIG teams to fill it schedule , but the SEC/BIG teams that matter don't actually need ND 

if the commissioners are like no ND scheduling aside from USC (long standing rivalry) , ND is going to be looking like window coug 
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Why does the leprechaun have 4 fingers on one hand and three on the other?
USC wants out of what?

Riley’s contract. Or bbq class.
On 12/13/2025 at 5:40 AM, notre dame joe said:

Oregon played one very good team and lost at home, one pretty good team (USC) and won at home. If the Ducks spent one OOC slot on an SEC team then it's 50:50 they go 10-2 and are in the scrum.

You didn't fucking beat anyone that's good, you lost to the only two teams that worth talking about on your schedule. Why is the only ND poster on this board as dumb as a fucking brick?

On 12/13/2025 at 6:47 AM, Vic Mackey said:

I think your beef should be that Tulane and JMU got in. At the very least, only one of those should have made it. Miami deserved it over ND because of head to head. ND would be in if any one of those 2 teams were left out.

But ND lost its 2 best games and when ran the table on a very below average schedule.

That's contractual.  It was poor rule writing because the CFP likely did not predict that the ACC champ would be an 8-5 team, and thus they were roping another JMU type team.  And the ACC likely didn't consider naming the highest rated teams at tiebreaker.  No one's saying they wrote those rules as part of a vast conspiracy to screw ND. 

 

Yes it's a flawed system. When a 12 team playoff cannot include the #6 team by the objective computers then it doesn't have a good system.

On 12/13/2025 at 5:50 PM, ITHorn said:

Notre Dame needed to win one of the two good opponents they played. They lost both and should be out. You can’t refuse to be in a conference and then complain when you lose the only good teams you schedule. 

Speaking of USC, Oregon dominated that game and ND was losing halfway through the third. 

 

Did you watch SC @ Oregon?  IT was a comedy of errors and if the game continued ad infinitum they would still be trading the lead score. 

2 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

That's contractual.  It was poor rule writing because the CFP likely did not predict that the ACC champ would be an 8-5 team, and thus they were roping another JMU type team.  And the ACC likely didn't consider naming the highest rated teams at tiebreaker.  No one's saying they wrote those rules as part of a vast conspiracy to screw ND. 

 

Yes it's a flawed system. When a 12 team playoff cannot include the #6 team by the objective computers then it doesn't have a good system.

Did you watch SC @ Oregon?  IT was a comedy of errors and if the game continued ad infinitum they would still be trading the lead score. 

Oregon took the lead with a minute to go in the first quarter and didn’t trail a second for the rest of the game. Nice try though..

8 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

That's contractual.  It was poor rule writing because the CFP likely did not predict that the ACC champ would be an 8-5 team, and thus they were roping another JMU type team.  And the ACC likely didn't consider naming the highest rated teams at tiebreaker.  No one's saying they wrote those rules as part of a vast conspiracy to screw ND. 

 

Yes it's a flawed system. When a 12 team playoff cannot include the #6 team by the objective computers then it doesn't have a good system.

Did you watch SC @ Oregon?  IT was a comedy of errors and if the game continued ad infinitum they would still be trading the lead score. 

The flawed system was ever having ND ranked sixth for publicity purposes.  You knew you were the weakest of the 2 loss teams in consideration.  It wasn't logically close.  Now you just hold onto meaningless week to week playoff rankings as some kind of "proof" while ignoring all logic.

You had a two game schedule and lost both, and have high tier wins.  You are basically crashing because of the equivalent of a pre season ranking.

 

Miami always had the better two loss resume with the head to head v ND

OU had a better two loss resume, as did Vandy.  TX arguably had a better resume with three losses.  

You were fooled by publicity polls

2 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

The flawed system was ever having ND ranked sixth for publicity purposes.  You knew you were the weakest of the 2 loss teams in consideration.  It wasn't logically close.  Now you just hold onto meaningless week to week playoff rankings as some kind of "proof" while ignoring all logic.

You had a two game schedule and lost both, and have high tier wins.  You are basically crashing because of the equivalent of a pre season ranking.

 

Miami always had the better two loss resume with the head to head v ND

OU had a better two loss resume, as did Vandy.  TX arguably had a better resume with three losses.  

You were fooled by publicity polls

#6 is our computer ranking (Massey composite).  The PC ranked ND 9th until it was time to promote Bama and Miami. 

7 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

#6 is our computer ranking (Massey composite).  The PC ranked ND 9th until it was time to promote Bama and Miami. 

looking at the math behind the Massey, it looks like its focus is on point differentials which would be biased towards beating up cream puff schedules like ND had this year 

6 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

#6 is our computer ranking (Massey composite).  The PC ranked ND 9th until it was time to promote Bama and Miami. 

You keep asking why Oregon is in the CFP and yet they are ahead of you in the composite rankings. I guess you just want to pick and choose what data you use, eh?

On 12/12/2025 at 11:01 PM, notre dame joe said:

Question for the You didn't beat anyone crowd.  Why is Oregon in the playoff?  They beat Southern Cal (same as ND) and did not play an SEC team (unlike ND).  The Ducks spent their OOC on Montana (1-11), Oregon St  (2-10), OKST (1-11). The Ducks 2nd best win was 8-4 Iowa on a last minute fg.
 

@Vic Mackey  Massey rates our offense at #1.

 

16 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

May be an image of football and text that says 'PLAYLIKE PLAY LIKE A CHAMPION TODAY... UNLESS YOU DON'T MAKE THE PLAYOFF, THEN QUIT 23'

You could have played BYU and beat them by 50 but instead you quit.

6 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

#6 is our computer ranking (Massey composite).  The PC ranked ND 9th until it was time to promote Bama and Miami. 

 

6 hours ago, BigHornedLurker said:

looking at the math behind the Massey, it looks like its focus is on point differentials which would be biased towards beating up cream puff schedules like ND had this year 

 

The composite is an aggregation (mean?) of many different computer rankings.  IMO, that the composite ratings have UND at #6 is an indictment against many of them.  Or evidence that not enough games "cross-pollinated" conference to conference or conference to independent.

UND is getting credit for close "quality losses" against aTm (8) and Miami (9).  And strong wins against opponents like Purdue (98), NC State (43), Arkansas (78), Boise (42), USC (15), BC (107) Navy (39), Pitt (37), Stanford (87), and Syracuse (106) helps, esp. with high margins. (all rankings are massey composite)

Texas:
Wins: SJSU (121), UTEP (132), SHSU (136), OU (10), UK (62), MSU (60), Vandy (14), Ark (79), aTm (8)
Losses: tosu (2), UF (54), UGA (5)

Margin of victory is definitely helping UND, while Texas' loss to UF is not that great.

 

 

6 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

#6 is our computer ranking (Massey composite).  The PC ranked ND 9th until it was time to promote Bama and Miami. 

Now imagine being a Texas fan who had a resume, per the CFP's own rules, that was better than all 3.  you probably need to quit now...kinda like your team.

Notre Dame comes across as reluctant to join a conference out of concern that they would struggle to measure up to the image they have cultivated in the past and lose status as a serious threat to win national or even conference titles. They are upset over this years omission from the playoffs exposing the cherry picking schedule route may not hold up like it used to. Time to adjust expectations and deal with an unfamiliar reality.

Edited to add that I’ve been on a boondoggle bender since noon and may not know what I’m talking about, but still pretty sure. 😁

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11 hours ago, BigHornedLurker said:

looking at the math behind the Massey, it looks like its focus is on point differentials which would be biased towards beating up cream puff schedules like ND had this year 

 

4 hours ago, boilerhorn said:

 

 

The composite is an aggregation (mean?) of many different computer rankings.  IMO, that the composite ratings have UND at #6 is an indictment against many of them.  Or evidence that not enough games "cross-pollinated" conference to conference or conference to independent.

UND is getting credit for close "quality losses" against aTm (8) and Miami (9).  And strong wins against opponents like Purdue (98), NC State (43), Arkansas (78), Boise (42), USC (15), BC (107) Navy (39), Pitt (37), Stanford (87), and Syracuse (106) helps, esp. with high margins. (all rankings are massey composite)

Texas:
Wins: SJSU (121), UTEP (132), SHSU (136), OU (10), UK (62), MSU (60), Vandy (14), Ark (79), aTm (8)
Losses: tosu (2), UF (54), UGA (5)

Margin of victory is definitely helping UND, while Texas' loss to UF is not that great.

 

 

The computers love teams that win by 70 or has the quality loss.  Sagarin is probably the most famous offender.  I like the BCS because it used both human polls and computers.

6 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

May be an image of football and text that says 'PLAYLIKE PLAY LIKE A CHAMPION TODAY... UNLESS YOU DON'T MAKE THE PLAYOFF, THEN QUIT 23'

Inevitable... with playoffs and NIL, CFB will punish ND till they join a conference.  

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