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    No it doesn't, this is absurd selfishness on a grand scale. Nobody is getting punished. My wife and I paid off our student loans, and you know what I think about younger people or even those in our ge

  • henrygandorf
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    i’ve really enjoyed the 900 posts from bt explaining how bernie people aren’t aggressive, obsessive, and very-online.  truly a learning experience. 

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    3rd or 4th thread but whos counting.  Name recognition and ability to collect money is most important to the Democratic Party. They aren't trying to win 2020, they are trying to rebuild and colle

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1 minute ago, Pancho Negro said:

Potential announcement or more name recognition? 

lol so many Dem hopefuls are crying into their avocado toasts right now

2 hours ago, Pancho Negro said:

If she's the nominee, I hope you vote for her and not gary johnson or sit it out. 

is she the best?  probably not.  is she better than who is in the office right now?  ya damn straight. 

Oh, I will absolutely vote for the Democratic nominee. Just prefer to see a true progressive at the top of the ticket.

 

 

1 hour ago, Pancho Negro said:

Potential announcement or more name recognition? 

 

Uh yeah, that's a Beto announcement that he is running. 

This is a very savvy move to do it while sitting with Oprah. 

12 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Uh yeah, that's a Beto announcement that he is running. 

This is a very savvy move to do it while sitting with Oprah. 

I think he runs, but jumps onto someone's ticket as VP in early 2020

2 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

It's funny Avenatti brings up Putin.  

While I like Beto a lot, his record against Russia is extraordinarily soft, especially when it comes to assisting the people of Ukraine fighting Russian aggression.   I'm not trying to bash Beto but this will come up eventually in debates and he will need to explain why his voting record is outside of the mainstream. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/03/27/who-voted-against-u-s-aid-to-ukraine/?utm_term=.edc2cb697b33

Harris today answering questions about a presidential run.  This is a very strong showing, imo.  Energized, easy on the ears, honorably adheres to rule of law, clearly highly intelligent and able to simplify complex issues into understandable priorities.  And perhaps most significantly, she's moderate.

 

 

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Moderate doesn't matter.

Hillary was practically a Republican and got lambasted as a gun grabbing abortion loving Socialist who wants to tax everyone 100% and feed rich people to the poor.  IDMAS the political views of any Democrat running.

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Moderate pretty much means “For Sale” these days, sadly.

They are all for sale, even the most progressive lib.

Just now, David Dennison said:

They are all for sale, even the most progressive lib.

Some are much more for sale than others. 

19 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Right but what separates her from a Harris or Biden?

20 years, re: Biden.

18 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Some are much more for sale than others. 

Agreed.

24 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Moderate pretty much means “For Sale” these days, sadly.

Through my own lens, "moderate" is more a reflection of personality and character, not necessarily policy.  It connotes balance and maturity and how one manages conflict.

So far, she checks all the right boxes in my book.

Interesting guy as he continues to win in a state that has turned reliably red....

 

2 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Interesting guy as he continues to win in a state that has turned reliably red....

 

I wish Al Franken was still around.

Tulsi running.  Announced on Van Jones.  Formal announcement coming.  

Just now, babysdaddy said:

Tulsi running.  Announced on Van Jones.  Formal announcement coming.  

I hope she crashes and burns. #Assad 

We can finally have our first Hindu nationalist president. 

Assad and Putin proxy war! 

Pretty face but she seems like a joke candidate, which terrifies me given recent history 

15 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I hope she crashes and burns. #Assad 

I believe she will.... not seeing how she's reading the tea leaves but she faces a huge uphill climb and her Syria stance will haunt her.

Meanwhile..... This seems extreme but....

 

And that’s why I can’t stand the Bernie Bros.

They’re a bunch of spiteful little bitches.

6 hours ago, triplehorn said:

Harris today answering questions about a presidential run.  This is a very strong showing, imo.  Energized, easy on the ears, honorably adheres to rule of law, clearly highly intelligent and able to simplify complex issues into understandable priorities.  And perhaps most significantly, she's moderate.

 

 

Isn't Harris considered the most progressive senator out of all of them?  See this link from a liberal/progressive site.

http://www.progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

Or was your comment sarcasm that went over my head? 

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

She got some ‘splainin to do about her prosecutor days.

Diary of an angry black woman ?  Saw it already, meh.

It's amazing how the Bernie Bros (maybe the most ham-fisted attempt at a pejorative) Voting For Trump myth has persisted despite evidence that they overwhelmingly voted for Hillary.

It's amazing how the Bernie Bros (maybe the most ham-fisted attempt at a pejorative) Voting For Trump myth has persisted despite evidence that they overwhelmingly voted for Hillary.

The bullshit machine never stops man.
16 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

It's amazing how the Bernie Bros (maybe the most ham-fisted attempt at a pejorative) Voting For Trump myth has persisted despite evidence that they overwhelmingly voted for Hillary.

Evidence is not as important as emotional salience.

Bernie '16 primary voters, even including those who were not left/Democrats and were anti-Obama, went to Hillary at 88%.
Hillary '08 primary voters went to Obama at 75%.

I do wonder what the "Bernie Bro" contingent is supposed to look like that cost Hillary the election. Rural white men in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania are "bros"? They're kicking around dying rust belt towns with popped collars, Japanese denim, and Ray Bans, pounding Pabst?

Evidence doesn't matter, though, and neither does any kind of basic common sense.

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1 hour ago, Whitman said:

Isn't Harris considered the most progressive senator out of all of them?  See this link from a liberal/progressive site.

http://www.progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

Or was your comment sarcasm that went over my head? 

Before your post, I had clarified: 

"Through my own lens, "moderate" is more a reflection of personality and character, not necessarily policy.  It connotes balance and maturity and how one manages conflict."

-- I heard Sen. Harris' response to a question about Alexandria O-C's comments on msnbc the other night about immigration, the wall, etc.  AOC boiled over and made comments like maybe 'ICE should be abolished'.  That's just the other end of the political horseshoe right there.  Harris responded that it's good to generate ideas and to consider all of them to arrive at the best plan.  It was apparent she didn't share AOC's extreme (unrealistic) statements, but her lack of endorsement was offset by her inclusiveness of ideas.  

To me a moderate leader is someone who primarily fosters stability and steady change, and can shift within the political spectrum utilizing differences to derive the best outcomes.  Harris strikes me as that, even though she may grade out as a solid liberal/progressive. 

I’d rather vote for Tulsi.

10 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Evidence is not as important as emotional salience.

Bernie '16 primary voters, even including those who were not left/Democrats and were anti-Obama, went to Hillary at 88%.
Hillary '08 primary voters went to Obama at 75%.

I do wonder what the "Bernie Bro" contingent is supposed to look like that cost Hillary the election. Rural white men in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania are "bros"? They're kicking around dying rust belt towns with popped collars, Japanese denim, and Ray Bans, pounding Pabst?

Evidence doesn't matter, though, and neither does any kind of basic common sense.

My dad was a Bernie Bro that voted for Gary Johnson...so there’s that.

I still give him shit about it.

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1 hour ago, Fozzz said:

I’d rather vote for Tulsi.

Ok cool 

13 hours ago, Incredulity said:

25 D’s at first debate.

 

book it

There will be more than one. They'll split them up.

26 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Ok cool 

She’s clearly more progressive. 

Yes, supporting regime change is actually the more progressive position. 

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

My dad was a Bernie Bro that voted for Gary Johnson...so there’s that.

I still give him shit about it.

Historically speaking, how does your dad vote?

Is he a liberal that Bernie turned against the "moderate" (i.e., Wall Street) Democrats with socialist rhetoric?

Guess it’s her perogative to change her mind, but...

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/10/gillibrand-rules-out-2020-presidential-run.html

 

The junior New York senator vowed Thursday that she will not mount a challenge against President Trump in the next general election if she wins her midterm race next month.

 

“I will serve my six-year term,” Gillibrand, 51, said when asked about her presidential prospects during an at times heated debate in Manhattan against her GOP challenger Chele Farley.

 

5 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Historically speaking, how does your dad vote?

Is he a liberal that Bernie turned against the "moderate" (i.e., Wall Street) Democrats with socialist rhetoric?

Dad has gone all over the map over the years.  He voted for Obama twice but hated the Clintons.  Used to be a libertarian 30 years ago but abandoned them when he realized they’re full of unrealistic shit.

Now he’s a solid democrat.  

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Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

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Bernie voted against the Defense of Marriage Act... but that's OK he's just a bro who hates minorities (even though he has been protesting with them for 50+ years), gays (even though he has advocated for them since the early 80s), and women.

I mean, just LOOK at this bro. He's so bro-ey he might as well have a pink polo shirt with Greek frat letters across the front.

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GO SHOTGUN SOME BREWSKIS, YA MOOK!

 

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Dad has gone all over the map over the years.  He voted for Obama twice but hated the Clintons.  Used to be a libertarian 30 years ago but abandoned them when he realized they’re full of unrealistic shit.

Now he’s a solid democrat.  

And it's Bernie's fault he didn't vote for Hillary?

You're a brain genius

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

And it's Bernie's fault he didn't vote for Hillary?

You're a brain genius

Uh, it’s pretty clear today anyone that didn’t vote for Hillary in 2016 indirectly helped Trump so...

He knows he fucked up... I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012 so I can’t rag him too much.

On 1/11/2019 at 10:08 AM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Warren has done a good job of preemptively neutralizing her potential opponents.  On Maddow she basically said, "Dear Billionaires, don't run for president if you are going to use your own money."  Those were clearly shots at Steyer/Bloomberg and Steyer dropped out before he got in this week. 

She also subtly said to her opponents, "Bring your ideas to the table and defend them because that's what I'm going to do."  Typical politicians don't like the idea of being boxed in on positions but Warren is telling them, "Flip-floppers beware, I am going to box you in."  

She doesn't have a lot of vulnerabilities other than the superficial attacks from right wing media and the "but DNA-test" shit. 

There is also the perception from the right that Warren would be the most favorable opponent for a GOP victory in 2020.  This was the fatal mistake the democrats made with Trump, they wanted Trump to be Hillary's opponent because he was so obviously unfit. It would be ironic to see the Republicans play themselves into a Warren presidency. 

It's going to be a challenge to bring her down. 

 

While I like warren and think she would be a great president, if trump runs again because he’s not in jail or holed up in an embassy somewhere, the dems nominating her gives trump the best shot at winning again and four more years of message board bitching and debate about Bernie bros. 

Given that I’m at a loss as to why you seem to support her so greatly. 

1 minute ago, JimmyJames said:

While I like warren and think she would be a great president, if trump runs again because he’s not in jail or holed up in an embassy somewhere, the dems nominating her gives trump the best shot at winning again and four more years of message board bitching and debate about Bernie bros. 

Given that I’m at a loss as to why you seem to support her so greatly. 

Because I believe she can destroy the GOP nominee in 2020 and she’d make a great president.

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Because I believe she can destroy the GOP nominee in 2020 and she’d make a great president.

If the gop nominee is trump it will be close. Worth the risk? Not in my opinion. 

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