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The Russians are not an "existential threat to our elections".

We are doing a fine job of that on our own.

Yes, the weakening regional power presents an existential threat to our Democracy.

Why the fuck are they allowing fucking apps to vote? You're begging for screw-ups and outright hacking.

5 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

Yes, the weakening regional power presents an existential threat to our Democracy.

Because more than half of our populace is too dimwitted to recognize bullshit when they see it.

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Because more than half of our populace is too dimwitted to recognize bullshit when they see it.

That's our own fuckin' fault

2 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

That's our own fuckin' fault

True, but the sad fact of our national idiocy means Russian meddling will have a deleterious effect on our democracy, failing regional power status notwithstanding.

Just now, David Dennison said:

True, but the sad fact of our national idiocy means Russian meddling will have a deleterious effect on our democracy, failing regional power status notwithstanding.

We deserve whatever fate awaits us.

3 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

We deserve whatever fate awaits us.

I tend to agree, which is why Donald Trump's presidency doesn't bother me all that much. Of course, that's the white privilege talking. I understand why minorities in this country are terrified of a second term.

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Just now, troph said:

pretty much got Donald to the White House.  so yeah, it's a problem.   but then I read every page of the Mueller report so what do I know.

That's less of an issue than the idiots that fell for very obvious propaganda.

Just now, Calihorn said:

That's less of an issue than the idiots that fell for very obvious propaganda.

What are you calling propaganda?

That's less of an issue than the idiots that fell for very obvious propaganda.


Where do you think the propaganda originated from and/or was amplified by?
1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

What are you calling propaganda?

The bots and whatever they were posting

24 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

Why the fuck are they allowing fucking apps to vote? You're begging for screw-ups and outright hacking.

<Conspiracy> That's the plan! </theory>

1 minute ago, Bama Chick said:

 


Where do you think the propaganda originated from and/or was amplified by?

 

The fact that Russia tried to interfere is far less of an issue than our willfully ignorant electorate.

39 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The Russians are not an "existential threat to our elections".

We are doing a fine job of that on our own.

I wonder why the DNC insisted on using Robbie Mook and his app for the primaries and caucuses?

Sanders campaign anticipated the problem and has watchers recording every result to counter fictitious results produced by the app. 

1 minute ago, Calihorn said:

The fact that Russia tried to interfere is far less of an issue than our willfully ignorant electorate.

Our wilfully ignorant electorate means that anyone who tries to interfere stands a chance at succeeding. Which makes their interference *more* of an issue, not less. Your logic.. isn't.

Just now, ndawg said:

Our wilfully ignorant electorate means that anyone who tries to interfere stands a chance at succeeding. Which makes their interference *more* of an issue, not less. Your logic.. isn't.

The Russians didn't make us willfully ignorant, we did. The fact that potentially millions of people couldn't tell obvious propaganda from reality is our fault.

The fear-mongering about populism and populists is hilarious because when you do that what you're advocating is oligarchy and revealing yourself to be completely amoral scum.

Foreign interference in elections has always and will always exist.

Unless the Russians are literally hacking the voting system, they aren't a "threat" to our democracy in any rational context.

9 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

The Russians didn't make us willfully ignorant, we did. The fact that potentially millions of people couldn't tell obvious propaganda from reality is our fault.

You might want to disentangle the notion of something being an issue from the notion of who is to blame.

Who’s the home health nurse leading Joe around?

 

Just now, ndawg said:

You might want to disentangle the notion of something being an issue from the notion of who is to blame.

MY original post for this conversation was mocking the idea Russia poses an existential threat to our Democracy.

3 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

MY original post for this conversation was mocking the idea Russia poses an existential threat to our Democracy.

And a more balanced perspective is that we have a gaping wound that was self-inflicted, and it's now open season for foreign powers to exploit our weakness. Not to mention, as the impeachment trial closes, it's becoming clear that, for the first time in our history, our government will flat out permit interference.

Nothing about Russia's GDP has anything to do with their capacity to do harm, particularly given that they realistically face zero repercussions for anything they do going forward.

And so it begins...first day of voting and Trumpkins are already pushing voter fraud disinformation. 

 

Pikachu shocked gif 

40 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Who’s the home health nurse leading Joe around?

Her job is to move him along quickly before he pokes anyone/smells anyone's hair. 

WTF? Nevermind, it's 2008

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fuck your shitpost

Pretty sure he posted a Hillary is running for President again link a few weeks ago. Link went to a 2015 article. Almost negged that. Probably should have. 

fivethirtyeight confirms results of unreleased poll in Iowa - 

It is not looking good for Joe.

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FiveThirtyEight can confirm that it contains the correct final findings of the unreleased Iowa poll:

Sanders 22 percent,

Warren 18 percent,

Buttigieg 16 percent,

Biden 13 percent.

Imagine the news cycle that would have been, with national front-runner Biden making such a poor showing in the last, highest-profile poll before the caucuses. 

https://twitter.com/ClareMalone/status/1224485118271803392

 

Biden has been on the national scene since 2008 and he's barely in double digits in the Dem primary.  He might not even make the 15% threshold.  

3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Biden has been on the national scene since 2008 1988 and he's barely in double digits in the Dem primary.  He might not even make the 15% threshold.  

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1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

if biden finishes 4th in iowa, expect trump to hit the phones tomorrow to fire up the bernie investigations.

Sanders is already on the RNC radar - confirmed by RNC. Repubs are going with "he's a Soviet stooge."  

1 minute ago, washparkhorn said:

Sanders is already on the RNC radar - confirmed by RNC. Repubs are going with "he's a Soviet stooge."  

R's be like:  Bernie:

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In a perfect world, everyone not named Sanders and Biden drops out after tonight so the party can get the actual fight over with as quickly as possible before people get so mad that they don't support the eventual nominee.
I'm worried that it's already too late. 
 


I’m highly confident all Democrats will vote and vote Democrat. The middle 10% however....

So Bernie v Trump. Gonna be crazy. I think Bernie probably wins. 

He’s not buying his way in.  Jeez, Francis.  He still has to get actual votes.

55 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

 

Really trivial things that make me surly:  

Dictionary entries that use almost the same word to define the one you're looking for.

*** "ol-i-garch

1. a ruler in an oligarchy."***

If some person happened to be looking up the word oligarch, does Oxford really think they'll know what an oligarchy is?  

Edited by Tom

Presumably they could keep reading

Too much work.  There's only so much time in the day.

White-knighting for Bloomberg is an interesting twist this perpetually-insane political reality is throwing at us.

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