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15 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

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Is this the part where we pretend the vast majority of voters don't like, or aren't okay with Bernie? Or the part where we pretend Democrats are voting based on ideological grounds instead of the umpteen other reasons? Or the part where we pretend we can just combine the ore moderate candidates voting numbers to form some sort of moderate Voltron?

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If Bern wants to win over delegates in a brokered convention then he needs to make deals instead of just bitching and whining.

5 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

Is this the part where we pretend the vast majority of voters don't like, or aren't okay with Bernie? Or the part where we pretend Democrats are voting based on ideological grounds instead of the umpteen other reasons? Or the part where we pretend we can just combine the ore moderate candidates voting numbers to form some sort of moderate Voltron?

It's 2020 and yet many posters on this board remain afflicted with pundit brain.

It’s the part where I say that Bernie Sanders is, by an extremely wide margin, my last choice as nominee. And if he’s nominated I have no plans to vote for him in the general election.
 

I can’t say how many think the way I do.

4 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

Is this the part where we pretend the vast majority of voters don't like, or aren't okay with Bernie?

That's what they're getting at, yes.

This is how the ballot looks to them:

__ - Non-Bernie A
__ - Non-Bernie B
__ - Bernie Sanders
__ - Non-Bernie C
__ - Non-Bernie D

When to some it looks like this:

__ - Young smarmy prick who reminds me of my boss's nephew
__ - Screechy grandma
__ - Obama's BFF with the sunglasses
__ - Weirdo igloo lady
__ - Shouty Jew

or

__ - PLANS!
__ - Kid who is mean to Amy
__ - The funny one who makes a snow joke I like
__ - Alzheimer's
__ - Nazi with Nazi onlilne followers who are mean (not to me, I've never met one, but I'm assured they are terrifying)

or

__ - I don't know who this is
__ - I don't know who this is
__ - I think he was already the president before? Maybe last year?
__ - I saw him on TV he looks like a boss leader guy
__ - The guy who Hillary hates maybe?

 

1 minute ago, Bookman said:

It’s the part where I say that Bernie Sanders is, by an extremely wide margin, my last choice as nominee. And if he’s nominated I have no plans to vote for him in the general election.
 

I can’t say how many think the way I do.

Just curious, do you feel the same about any other Dem nominees?

2 minutes ago, Bookman said:

It’s the part where I say that Bernie Sanders is, by an extremely wide margin, my last choice as nominee. And if he’s nominated I have no plans to vote for him in the general election.
 

I can’t say how many think the way I do.

Unless you live in WI, MI, PA, AZ, or FL your vote doesn't matter. 

4 minutes ago, Bookman said:

It’s the part where I say that Bernie Sanders is, by an extremely wide margin, my last choice as nominee. And if he’s nominated I have no plans to vote for him in the general election.

I can’t say how many think the way I do.

Just say you prefer Donald Trump to Bernie Sanders.

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Just say you prefer Donald Trump to Bernie Sanders.

Sadly a lot of people will prefer Trump as Sanders' economic policies are trash. 

Usually with a field this wide, somebody starts pulling away.  From a statistical perspective, that person *should* be Bernie, given his name recognition and his wins/near wins. 

 

From a general standpoint there seems to be two arguments about Bernie: 

1) Depending on the economy, many formally GOP or Right Center suburban voters who voted Dem in 2018 will look at Bernie and choose the lesser of two evils between him and Trump.  If the markets good, they will choose Trump, if it's bad, Bernie.

2) A wave of young and diverse voters are rising up for Bernie and will sweep him into office, which the Democrats have been trying to make happen since 1972 and only were successful in 2008.

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12 minutes ago, Bookman said:

It’s the part where I say that Bernie Sanders is, by an extremely wide margin, my last choice as nominee. And if he’s nominated I have no plans to vote for him in the general election.
 

I can’t say how many think the way I do.

The correct answer is too fucking many

I’m trying to think of who I wouldn’t vote for against Trump. Certainly no current D. I guess if Sarah Palin switched parties and somehow won the D nom I’d have some thinking to do.

12 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Just say you prefer Donald Trump to Bernie Sanders.

That’s an odd take. What makes you think that?

15 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Just curious, do you feel the same about any other Dem nominees?

Maybe Elizabeth Warren.

4 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

The correct answer is too fucking many

This and also the opposite.  It's time for people to sack up and come together to defeat this fascist orange shit gibbon.  I'm fucking tired of the infighting.  Man up.  Do the right fucking thing.  Not directed specifically at you, but everyone that somehow thinks any of the Dem candidates aren't preferable to the dotard.

14 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Unless you live in WI, MI, PA, AZ, or FL your vote doesn't matter. 

Probably true. Although I think a moderate candidate could win Texas this year. Unless of course 12% of Bernie supporters vote for Trump like they did in 2016.

That’s an odd take. What makes you think that?


Because that is the choice that you are describing that you have made

Not voting for Bernie Sanders is not the same thing as preferring Trump. Jesus Christ.

If he’s the democratic nominee for president in 2020 that is absolutely the choice you are making.

2 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Not voting for Bernie Sanders is not the same thing as preferring Trump. Jesus Christ.

It is, Bernie Sanders would be infinitely better as president

all of these bernie supporters shouting about getting the most votes are gonna be super bummed when they find out how things work in the general. 

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

they should have used a clip where muggsey bloombogues was getting dunked on to be more accurate IMHO

 

5 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Not voting for Bernie Sanders is not the same thing as preferring Trump. Jesus Christ.

vote blue or gtfo with your nonsense. 

Certainly not voting for Trump under any conditions.  I just pulled a D ballot and voted for someone other Than Sanders.  
 

what’s the estimate on how many never trumpers in Texas who are not Democrats who will still vote for Bernie in the general?   
 

with all the power being aggregated into the Executive as of late, seems like a curious time to also bolt overt socialism onto that issue as well.  
 

consolidation into one branch of power and economic planning is always bad.  
 

I’m honestly curious how many of us who hate Trump, who won’t vote straight ticket, but who have grave reservations about Bernie there are in Texas.   Don’t give me the shit any third party vote is a vote for a trump.   Have an honest review with me about how many like me there are in Texas and how much resources to put into the campaigns   

  

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3 minutes ago, Calihorn said:

It is, Bernie Sanders would be infinitely better as president

Yes and I hope he would win. But I’m not going to support him or fucking vote for him.

1 minute ago, Bookman said:

Yes and I hope he would win. But I’m not going to support him or fucking vote for him.

Lol, good lord at this logic. You are still allowing Trump to get a net vote instead of cancelling it because no state is going to go to a third party or write-in.

Strictly from a macro standpoint, a Sanders presidency would be damaging to GDP growth and market fundamentals. That alone will turn enough voters off in the general. 

Yes and I hope he would win. But I’m not going to support him or fucking vote for him.

You’re not going to vote for the person you want to win?
4 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Yes and I hope he would win. But I’m not going to support him or fucking vote for him.

Then you either don't mind Trump or have had your brain warped. Vote blue no matter who

Going to be hilarious when all the major network pundit desks are littered with losing candidates who spend the entire time pettily sniping at the person who beat them.

Yeah, I don’t think gary is running.  Fun fact though, there’s no clear front runner now for the LP nomination.  I think it will actually occur here in Austin in May.  
 

laugh all you want, but Bernie will need that 200-300k libertarian voter bloc this time, in Texas anyway, if he wants to make a serious move on Trump here.  Y’all can have all the turnout you want, you’ll need that bloc as well as true independents who at don’t like either candidate but are voting for some key Texas and local races 

Just now, Lobo said:

laugh all you want, but Bernie will need that 200-300k libertarian voter bloc this time

Nah, you freaks will literally never matter you're the most laughable bunch of idiots going.

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Okay.  And the second most laughable bunch of idiots going will be the Bernie Supporters who lose Texas to Trump by 200-300k votes.  
 

at least we can all get drunk together afterward.  

20 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Strictly from a macro standpoint, a Sanders presidency would be damaging to GDP growth and market fundamentals. That alone will turn enough voters off in the general. 

this is a myth but keep trying to scare people with it.  the sky didnt fall when obama was elected, didnt fall when trump was elected, it wont fall when bernie is elected.

Y'all got any South Carolina predictions?

Prediction:
Biden - 31%
Steyer - 20%
Bernie - 19%
Warren - 12%
Buttigieg - 10%
Klobuchar - 8%

- I think Biden's older black vote will turn out much much stronger than polls show right now.
- I think Steyer's money bomb will matter a lot.

Will laugh at the convention when Bern is told to get the nomination that he has to have a moderate VP like Klobs.  

Give me Kamala and call it a day

1 hour ago, 6th Street said:

Sadly a lot of people will prefer Trump as Sanders' economic policies are trash. 

Sadly a lot of people are very stupid. You don’t have to like Bernie to see the obvious choice.

1 hour ago, longhornmatt said:

You keep trying to make this a real election.  It’s not.  It’s the DNC choosing who they want to nominate for the real election.   People voting in primaries at all is a relatively recent phenomenon in American history.

No Matt I keep trying to point out it’s not a real election. It’s just been covered up really well bc the one with the most delegates and votes has always gotten the nomination since it’s been implemented. That may not be the case this time around. Everyone is on record as being cool with that.

I wouldn’t expect you to fight for your vote haven’t fought for anything else. You’re obviously very comfortable and that’s cool. Enjoy it. I am alarmed tho that so many are willing to set elections on fire in plain sight.

46 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Not voting for Bernie Sanders is not the same thing as preferring Trump. Jesus Christ.

In this situation yes it is.

1 hour ago, Bookman said:

It’s the part where I say that Bernie Sanders is, by an extremely wide margin, my last choice as nominee. And if he’s nominated I have no plans to vote for him in the general election.
 

I can’t say how many think the way I do.

Are you a Democrat? If so, don't you want a Democrat choosing RBG's seat?

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20 minutes ago, thrillhammer said:

this is a myth but keep trying to scare people with it.  the sky didnt fall when obama was elected, didnt fall when trump was elected, it wont fall when bernie is elected.

The damage to large cap tech, healthcare, and energy alone would be a roughly 50-100bps impact to GDP growth. 

They have to do something about these candidates raising their hands for the entire debate.  It's ridiculous.

Just now, Lat22 said:

They have to do something about these candidates raising their hands for the entire debate.  It's ridiculous.

Give 'em all Bob Dole or John McCain surgery

Pipe down Senator Horshack 

31 minutes ago, thrillhammer said:

this is a myth but keep trying to scare people with it.  the sky didnt fall when obama was elected, didnt fall when trump was elected, it wont fall when bernie is elected.

It's a very slow fall, but it is definitely falling.

1 hour ago, Bookman said:

Not voting for Bernie Sanders is not the same thing as preferring Trump. Jesus Christ.

If you choose not to decide,  you still have made a choice. 

-G. Lee, philosopher/plowman

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