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Some pretty good basic background on what was going down in ‘79 and how we got there. Very well done a lots of interviews with people who were there.
https://www.hbo.com/hostages

The regime can’t help themselves, and have now created a fresh new rallying point for the people rising up.

 

 

1 hour ago, Schulz2.0 said:

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This is a dumb question amnesty query but...has sanctions made it difficult for folks in Iran to get 3D printers? I feel like those dudes need to make some guns that route. 

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26 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

This is a dumb question amnesty query but...has sanctions made it difficult for folks in Iran to get 3D printers? I feel like those dudes need to make some guns that route. 

Hey numbnuts, you took a quote of me from a recruiting board thread and inserted into a fucking Iran current events thread. 

 

10 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Hey numbnuts, you took a quote of me from a recruiting board thread and inserted into a fucking Iran current events thread. 

 

I mean, I've seen some pretty good arms at the protests. Definitely a long term project, but could probably earn some playing time as a Jr or Senior. 

16 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Hey numbnuts, you took a quote of me from a recruiting board thread and inserted into a fucking Iran current events thread. 

 

You should perform a citizen's arrest.

So... who knew Iran was hiding some smoking hot ass?

They need to stop killing it and start sending the hot ones here for exile

You didn’t know about Persian women? 

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

 

This is a dumb question amnesty query but...has sanctions made it difficult for folks in Iran to get 3D printers? I feel like those dudes need to make some guns that route. 

I believe most of your 3D printed guns are single use. Then there's the issue of ammo. Probably easier to smuggle in some AKs.

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

Hey numbnuts, you took a quote of me from a recruiting board thread and inserted into a fucking Iran current events thread.

Since you're here, what's CB stand for?

9 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

I believe most of your 3D printed guns are single use. Then there's the issue of ammo. Probably easier to smuggle in some AKs.

Nope. Look up the FGC-9.

 

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So... who knew Iran was hiding some smoking hot ass?
They need to stop killing it and start sending the hot ones here for exile

All of us knew this.
24 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Nope. Look up the FGC-9.

 

It has a metal barrel which may not be easy to obtain in Iran

31 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:


All of us knew this.

Yep.  They're insisting some of the most beautiful women who ever walked this earth cover themselves head to toe.

 

3 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

Yep.  They're insisting some of the most beautiful women who ever walked this earth cover themselves head to toe.

 

I don’t think it’s a coincidence they’ve evolved to have such beautiful eyes given that’s all that is seen.

Also, Lebanese women would like to have a word with you.

33 minutes ago, Bevo said:

It has a metal barrel which may not be easy to obtain in Iran

The barrel is literally a piece of pipe that I electrochemically machined using jigs that you make with your 3D printer. I'm pretty sure they don't live in the stone age.

1 hour ago, South Austin said:

Since you're here, what's CB stand for?

Community Beaver. Given your family history, I assumed you knew this one.

11 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Community Beaver. Given your family history, I assumed you knew this one.

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Need to get a couple of generals from the regular army not IRGC (analogous to the difference of the Wehrmacht and SS) to switch sides like these soldiers and then we will have true regime change. If Crown Prince wasn’t a pussy like his father, he would put his neck on the line for his country and serve as Iran’s version of Juan Carlos for the transition to democracy.

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2 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Also, Lebanese women would like to have a word with you.

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1 hour ago, Macklemore said:

Need to get a couple of generals from the regular army not IRGC (analogous to the difference of the Wehrmacht and SS) to switch sides like these soldiers and then we will have true regime change. If Crown Prince wasn’t a pussy like his father, he would put his neck on the line for his country and serve as Iran’s version of Juan Carlos for the transition to democracy.

Anyone else see the irony in Icono wanting to tear down an oppressive theocracy overseas, while explicitly stating he wants the same here in the US?

2 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Anyone else see the irony in Icono wanting to tear down an oppressive theocracy overseas, while explicitly stating he wants the same here in the US?

No CR asshole.

3 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Anyone else see the irony in Icono wanting to tear down an oppressive theocracy overseas, while explicitly stating he wants the same here in the US?

He doesn't want to TEAR DOWN religious theocracy per se, he just wants to switch the uniforms of said theocracy. 

 

1 minute ago, Macklemore said:

No CR asshole.

Cowardly snowflake. 

44 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

He doesn't want to TEAR DOWN religious theocracy per se, he just wants to switch the uniforms of said theocracy. 

 

Cowardly snowflake. 

sigh... one of the best threads on surly. Let's save the vitriol, snide comments and angst towards the crazy Iranians 

8 minutes ago, nineliveslost said:

sigh... one of the best threads on surly. Let's save the vitriol, snide comments and angst towards the crazy Iranians 

Your post is not the correction that you think it is, just as an FYI.

9 minutes ago, nineliveslost said:

sigh... one of the best threads on surly. Let's save the vitriol, snide comments and angst towards the crazy Iranians 

For what it's worth, technically the poster in question IS a crazy Iranian. 

From an Israeli perspective

 

As Iran protesters brave regime forces, questions arise about US, Israel assistance

Experts disagree over how significant month-long demonstrations truly are, and whether Western countries can and should be offering moral and technological support

Lazar Berman
By Lazar Berman Today, 6:33 pm
 
A demonstrator with an Iranian flag and red hands painted on her face attends a rally in support of Iranian protests, in Paris on October 9, 2022, following the death of Iranian woman Mahsa Amini in Iran (Julien de Rosa/AFP)
A demonstrator with an Iranian flag and red hands painted on her face attends a rally in support of Iranian protests, in Paris on October 9, 2022, following the death of Iranian woman Mahsa Amini in Iran (Julien de Rosa/AFP)

For the past month, Iranian citizens have been defying the regime by taking to the streets in protest.

The demonstrations, in which dozens of protesters and some security forces have been killed, began after 22-year-old Mahsa Amini died on September 16, three days after she was arrested by morality police in Tehran for allegedly violating the country’s strict dress code for women.

Officials have accused the country’s “enemies,” mainly the United States but also Israel, of inciting “riots.”

Though the Islamic Republic regularly tries to discredit protesters by accusing them of being Western pawns, it does raise the question of what — if anything — the US, Europe, and even Israel could do to support the demonstrators.

Before outside powers develop a plan to back the dissidents, they would have to determine that the demonstrations at high schools and universities have a chance of becoming a genuine threat to the regime.

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Behnam Ben Taleblu, senior fellow at the Washington-based think tank Foundation for Defense of Democracies, pointed to the fact that the pace of massive protest episodes is accelerating.

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Iranian women shout slogans to protest over the death of Mahsa Amini during a demonstration outside the Iranian consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, October 17, 2022. (AP Photo/Emrah Gurel)

“The fact that this is a new normal is simply unsustainable in Iran,” he said.

“This used to take place once a decade,” concurred Atlantic Council fellow Ksenia Svetlova, “but since 2016 this happens at least once a year, sometimes more.”

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“This is an ongoing revolutionary reality, which can ultimately harm the regime’s ability to operate,” she added.

“Even if the protests hypothetically end tomorrow, this saga is not over,” Ben Taleblu said. “This sentiment against the regime is widespread and nationalized, from rural to the capital.”

Western, especially American support, could have tangible results, he maintained.

“More naming and shaming, more creative telecom support, bringing the public and private sector together to see how you can actually facilitate the issue of satellite internet in Iran,” Ben Taleblu elaborated.

The Islamic Republic has imposed drastic restrictions on internet access, and is planning to criminalize the sale of virtual private networks (VPNs) used to skirt them.

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A picture obtained by AFP outside Iran shows a woman walking without a head scarf in the heart of the Iranian capital Tehran, on October 11, 2022. (AFP)

Ben Taleblu also called on European countries to pull their ambassadors from Tehran, and to join the US in continuing to issue condemnations in order to keep the plight of the protesters in the press.

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Despite being a small country with no diplomatic relationship of any kind with Iran, Israel does have a range of options to support the protesters, Ben Taleblu maintained.

Continuing to talk publicly about the demonstrations puts pressure on Western partners, he said, and signals that Israel cares about more than just the nuclear issue.

“It signals from Israelis to the Iranian people that while Israel’s qualm is with the Islamic Republic… Israelis understand that a more representative Iranian government would mean a fundamentally different national security and foreign policy by a new regime.”

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Prime Minister Yair Lapid addresses the 77th session of the United Nations General Assembly at the UN headquarters in New York City on September 22, 2022. (Avi Ohayon/GPO)

Both the Foreign Ministry and Prime Minister Yair Lapid’s office declined to comment on whether Israel is working to support the demonstrations.

Israel’s security services could also play a role. While cyberattacks attributed to Israel have focused on Tehran’s nuclear program, its hackers could shift their attention to regime telecommunications and command headquarters of security forces involved in suppressing protests.

They could also provide technologies to help protesters keep regime cyber experts from hacking into their phones and computers. “They could block Iranian servers, and open up secured ways that allow protesters to communicate and coordinate, because that is what worries them the most,” Svetlova said.

Intelligence assets could monitor and publish the movements of the Basij militia, police, and revolutionary guards, giving protesters the ability to anticipate their arrival.

“Let them know the world is watching,” said Ben Taleblu.

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‘Nothing outside world can do’

But not all Iran experts believe that there is anything for the West, much less Israel, to do.

“The West’s ability to support regime change in Iran exists only in very advanced stages of revolutionary episodes,” said Raz Zimmt, Iran scholar at the Institute for National Security Studies and Tel Aviv University.

Iran is far from that situation currently, he argued: “Even with all the excitement, it includes tens of thousands of demonstrators in total. In most locations, it’s dozens or hundreds. It could develop, but right now I don’t see how it develops into something broader.”

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A pro-government demonstrator holds a poster of the late Iranian revolutionary founder Ayatollah Khomeini while attending a rally after the Friday prayers to condemn recent anti-government protests over the death of a young woman in police custody, in Tehran, Iran, Sept. 23, 2022. (Vahid Salemi/AP)

Ori Goldberg, Reichman University Iran expert, stressed that the current protests do have elements of the “perfect storm” of diverse socioeconomic and geographic needed to turn into a successful revolution.

“It started in the periphery but then caught fire and the flames grew higher,” he said. But they haven’t spread into a mass movement.

“Whether these protests cohere into a revolutionary moment, I don’t think there’s anything that anyone can do outside Iran to sway the situation one way or another,” he said.

And any outside involvement would discredit the protesters, said Goldberg, emphasizing that the popular revolutions that have succeeded in Iran — in 1892, 1905-11, 1951, and 1979 — do so only when the public sees them “as inherently and organically Iranian.”

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“It’s a narrative of people rising against oppression, a people rising against injustice,” he continued. “If the oppressed become affiliated with foreign might, then it takes from their status as the oppressed.”

If the US and European countries do decide that it is possible to support the protests, they will be forced to make a difficult policy choice. For almost a year, the US and E3 European powers have prioritized finding a way to bring Iran back to the 2015 JCPOA nuclear deal. Ramping up support for the protesters would likely destroy any remaining hope they might have for reviving the tattered agreement.

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Robert Malley, the Biden administration special envoy for Iran, testifies about the JCPOA during a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Capitol Hill, May 25, 2022, in Washington, DC. (Brendan Smialowski/AFP)

At least in the short term, the US priority is voicing support for the protests. “Right now the talks on revival of JCPOA are not on the US agenda,” Special Envoy Rob Malley told CNN last week. “The focus is on what’s happening in Iran as the talks are stalled.”

Even without foreign support, time is on the protesters’ side, Goldberg argued. “The more the protests last, the more the oppression practiced by the Islamic Republic appears more blatant and more offensive.”

I'm starting to kinda get a vibe around the world that women don't completely appreciate it when "Men of Faith" dictate how they must live.  Just a hunch.

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

I'm starting to kinda get a vibe around the world that women don't completely appreciate it when "Men of Faith" dictate how they must live.  Just a hunch.

Unfortunately that sentiment has yet to take a stronghold in America.

Time to start stringing piano wire across the streets when you know the riot police are heading in on their motorcycles. 

 

Heard this morning on NPR that Iran has told Iranians they should not travel to Ukraine and any in Ukraine should leave. Just the height of absurdity.

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Posted for reasons...

 

12 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Would.... Happily. 

Yeah (if I were 60 years younger). 
She’s quite rude.

 

7 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Posted for reasons...

 

staring jim carrey GIF

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