May 29May 29 16 hours ago, SL Xpress said: I mean, losing 11 out of 12 to those bumblefucks nearly put every one of us out of our minds. 10 out of 11.
May 29May 29 32 minutes ago, Noodles said: 10 out of 11. Yes. Regardless, it was ridiculous. But it was 10 out of 11. I was trying to make it worse than it was.
May 30May 30 21 hours ago, SL Xpress said: Yes. Regardless, it was ridiculous. But it was 10 out of 11. I was trying to make it worse than it was. Keeping thread on track, I think Texas lost 9 out of 10 to OU from 1948-1957. That was getting dominated by a superior program (and Texas proceeded to win 12 of the next 13 against the Sooners). the 1984-1994 streak- that was one program shrinking back from the cheating and another leaning in. Throw those years out and the series looks more like Baylor or Arkansas.
June 8Jun 8 Alriy, deep dive into OU chicanery part 1. First, a couple of things to understand: 1. One of the great things about college football is also the source of its greatest misunderstandings. There is incredible diversity in colleges- how they are organized, how they are governed, their culture, their values. Pro sports are cookie cutter leagues, every organization functionally the same. Not so in college football, although sports media keeps taking the lazy path and writing as if it were. OU has gotten a lot of mileage out of these assumptions, shielding it from proper recognition of its misdeeds. 2. Demographic trends. The simplest way to describe this is to use congressional delegation size through the years. The HoR has 435 members, reapportioned every ten years with the census. As states grow or shrink in populations, the number of representatives dies the same. Here are the numbers for three states: Texas - Oklahoma - Nebraska 1920: 18 - 8 - 6 1940: 21 - 9 - 5 1960: 22 - 6 - 4 1980: 24 - 6 - 3 2000: 30 - 6 - 3 2020: 36 - 5 - 3 There you have it- Oklahoma is on the demographic path that doomed Nebraska. It’s only path to national success is getting players out of state, and it has known this for eighty years. In 1946, OU had a new president, George Cross, who was a football fan. He and their board had a plan to emphasize football success to rally the state from its chronic and growing sense of inferiority. They knew there were a bunch of servicemen with football ability coming to colleges, and they decided to build a program on this swell of talent. They hired Jim Tatum, perhaps more impressed with his chief assistant, Bud Wilkinson. Wilkinson, of course, got the job the next year, when Tatum left, and built a monster. OU formed a booster group, the Touchdown Club, which funded extra benefits for recruits and players. All of this was actually legal in the late ‘40s (or at least not illegal). Texas was doing the same (DX Bible instituted “The Bible Plan”, where alumni were assigned different parts of the state). OU became a national power- based on Wilkinson’s coaching at an elite level of organization, and recruiting Texas. In the early ‘59s, the NCAA came up with rules on scholarships, recruiting and benefits, and was given enforcement power. OU was turned in twice in the’50s, by rival Big 6 programs. The Sooners denied everything, and Cross was fine with that. He figured the program got itself into trouble, and it was up to the program to get itself out. He felt no need to enforce propriety or honesty. The NcAA found plenty of guys recruited by OU at other programs, willing to talk, and penalized the Sooners both times. It didn’t really slow the Sooners down much. They had a huge advantage in the weakness of their schedules during the Wilkinson years. Many years, they would be the only Big 6 team to finish ranked. They had superior talent and only a couple of games to get up for. One more thing- OU desegregated in 1957 and desegregated a few years later. They deserve credit for the former (which they happily claim) and not for the latter. Royal started kicking their ass and no one was too sad when Wilkinson decided to step aside and try politics in 1964.
June 8Jun 8 Correcting: “One more thing- OU desegregated in 1957 and re-segregated a few years later. They deserve credit for the former (which they happily claim) and not for the latter.” Edited June 8Jun 8 by statsman
June 8Jun 8 8 hours ago, statsman said: As states grow or shrink in populations, the number of representatives dies the same. Here are the numbers for three states: If only that were true . . .
June 8Jun 8 2 minutes ago, Royale with cheese said: If only that were true . . . Yeah, I was drinking a little while posting. Missed some autocorrects (“dies” vs “does”), and, yeah, the population of a state can grow while the number of reps can drop, if the national population grows at a faster rate. Still, the point remains- Oklahoma’s population isn’t producing the number of players needed to compete on a national level
June 8Jun 8 1 hour ago, statsman said: Yeah, I was drinking a little while posting. Missed some autocorrects (“dies” vs “does”), and, yeah, the population of a state can grow while the number of reps can drop, if the national population grows at a faster rate. Still, the point remains- Oklahoma’s population isn’t producing the number of players needed to compete on a national level No, I understood completely your well-phrased explanation of redistricting after every decennial federal census. I was just bemoaning the fact that the sons of bitches didn't actually die after a redistricting.
June 9Jun 9 Unpopular opinion time ... Regarding the Godless, heathen, home to the hillbillies, ou, there has always been a direct correlation between ou cheating/being placed on probation and them winning a national championship. Win a championship... probation in the next two years. But, at least those bastards won. Unlike those sheep humpin' fake army, sittin' at the kiddie table at Thanksgiving gomers, aggy. They cheated like hell, as often as they could. Which from 1940 onward, resulted in the same number of national championships as Mary Hardin-Baylor Crusaders.
June 9Jun 9 5 hours ago, Lidig8r said: Unpopular opinion time ... Regarding the Godless, heathen, home to the hillbillies, ou, there has always been a direct correlation between ou cheating/being placed on probation and them winning a national championship. Win a championship... probation in the next two years. But, at least those bastards won. Unlike those sheep humpin' fake army, sittin' at the kiddie table at Thanksgiving gomers, aggy. They cheated like hell, as often as they could. Which from 1940 onward, resulted in the same number of national championships as Mary Hardin-Baylor Crusaders. Mary Hardin-Baylor has won 3 national titles in football in the last decade.
June 10Jun 10 1 hour ago, Blotto said: Look at this fucking nutsack, lulz..... Why does the player look like he is "hanging" to the left after pissing before the photo? Couldn't they edit that out with the cell phone they used for the pic?
June 10Jun 10 1 hour ago, PGFrog said: Couldn't they edit that out with the cell phone they used for the pic? I don’t think Vegetables jitterbug phone can do that.
June 12Jun 12 https://www.on3.com/college/oklahoma-sooners/news/isis-supporter-scouted-oklahoma-football-stadium-possible-terrorist-attack/ Which one of you assholes was this?
June 13Jun 13 2 hours ago, thunderlounge said: I’m not an isis supporter, so wasn’t me this time. You gotta admit Isis vs OU is a tough call…
June 13Jun 13 On 6/10/2025 at 12:12 PM, Blotto said: Look at this fucking nutsack, lulz..... Rent. Free.
June 13Jun 13 2 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said: Rent. Free. and there's plenty of room up there for us to make ourselves comfortable
June 26Jun 26 OU Deep DivePart 2: Wilkinson quit and was replaced by his chief assistant, Gomer (yep) Jones. By year two, it was clear that Jones didn’t have it, so OU shitcanned him (university president Cross was a big football fan and he wasn’t having it). They made a run at Royal, who listened out of courtesy to his alma mater, and turned him down. They hired Jim MacKenzie, Broyles’ chief assistant, and he accepted. He brought a pretty terrific staff- Chuck Fairbanks, Barry Switzer, Homer Rice, Galen Hall, Larry Lacewell, all young and ambitious. Under the new management, OU recommitted to integration and recruiting Texas. They beat Texas their first year, for the first time since 1957. MacKenzie died of a heart attack and was replaced by Fairbanks. They took two major steps: 1. They got aggressive in recruiting, highlighted by winning the bidding war for Texas HS QB Jack Mildren. 2. In 1970, they adopted the Wishbone offense. The story of how Royal told Bellard to teach it to OC Switzer, out of misguided coaching camaraderie and trying to do a solid for his alma mater, wasn’t told until years after Switzer’s autobiography came out. In his book, Switzer describes it as if he figured the offense out on his own, taking full credit. Of course, because that’s the kind of narcissist Switzer is. OU won big in the ‘70s, propelled by elite talent and easy Big 8 schedules. The Sooners would have three challenging games per year- Texas, Nebraska and a bowl opponent or non-conference game. Fairbanks (yes, he is the owner of DFW Chevy dealership “Chuck Fairbanks Chevrolet”) left for the NFL and was replaced by Switzer, who felt even less restrained by NCAA rules (as well as common standards of decency). OU got in trouble with the NCAA for cheating and academic fraud to get players eligible. Royal called them out for spying on closed Texas practices, which Switzer denied, but confronted years later by the spy’s confession, admitted to while laughing at Toyal for getting upset. That was Switzer- he cheated, won and laughed about it. The school didn’t care- Criss was the Chancellor and there was still very much an attitude that if the program got in trouble, it was the program’s problem, not the school’s. A few things to note, to close out the ‘70s and early ‘80s- We all know that Texas lost the MNC in 1977, losing to ND. Did you know that OU could have won it, if they had beaten heavy underdog Arkansas in the Orange Bowl? They lost and the story is that in large part it was due to the inattention of DC Lacewell. Switzer was banging Lacewell’s wife and when Lacewell found out, he lost focus on his job. Lacewell left the next year. Switzer was arrested for DWI, which really wasn’t a surprise (well, the arrest may have been a surprise, but that he would drive drunk wasn’t). He pled to a misdemeanor. Switzer was arrested for insider trading on an energy company that was purchased by another. In his book, Switzer describes it as a totally bogus charge, which is funny. It’s funny because the Switzer insider trading case became a major precedent for understanding insider trading. Switzer made up a bullshit story that he didn’t know he was trading in an insider tip, and the success of that defense became a major part of case law. Finally- OU’s reliance on the wishbone was wearing out. It worked fine against Big 8 competition, but Texas defenses, coordinated by Fuller and MacWilliams, were playing assignments football and shutting it down. Their lack of success against even pedestrian Longhorn teams (Texas lost one RRS between 1977 and 1981) and Switzer’s legal issues were starting to cause him problems. Could Switzer coach his way out of this? Could Switzer cheat his way out of this? Stay tuned.
July 7Jul 7 37 minutes ago, 'stache said: Well, bye Cartoon aside, I'm kind of glad to see this. I always thought this guy was pretty effective. Wouldn't hurt my feelings when he leaves to see ou fall into less competent hands.
July 7Jul 7 When I was 10, my uncle took me to the OU game. We lost, but I had a great time, and afterward he gave me $5 to spend on the Midway. It was a lot of money for the times - gas was $0.20 a gallon and Dr. Peppers were five cents and came in an eight-ounce bottle. He gave me the money in change, quarters for one pocket, and nickels and dimes for the other. He told me not to take more than one coin out at a time, and when I complained about so many coins, he said that it was because if I took a bill or even a handful of coins out, a man would approach me, show me a card trick or two, and then offer to bet he could make the Jack of Hearts jump out of the deck and spit cider in my ear. He told me that if I took that bet, I would be standing there with cider running down the side of my neck and people would be laughing at me for making a bet with a man from Oklahoma. I think he was probably correct, and I have always been leery of the Jack of Hearts in any setting or circumstance.
July 7Jul 7 Sounds to me like a other old timer who can’t fathom compensating players and is old enough to just retire.
July 11Jul 11 On 6/8/2025 at 9:02 AM, Royale with cheese said: No, I understood completely your well-phrased explanation of redistricting after every decennial federal census. I was just bemoaning the fact that the sons of bitches didn't actually die after a redistricting. Now THIS is CR talk I can get behind.
July 14Jul 14 OU is losing quite a few targeted DFW recruits to SMU. They may be head of schedule in becoming the new Arkansas.
July 14Jul 14 50 minutes ago, Satchel said: OU is losing quite a few targeted DFW recruits to SMU. They may be head of schedule in becoming the new Arkansas. Or Nebraska.
July 15Jul 15 16 hours ago, Satchel said: OU is losing quite a few targeted DFW recruits to SMU. They may be head of schedule in becoming the new Arkansas. The last time that happened SMU was investigated by the NCAA and things went back to the normal for the bigger schools. Oh wait, the NCAA doesn't scare anyone anymore and basically can be told to fuck off, sorry Brent.
July 15Jul 15 16 hours ago, Nueces River Rat said: Or Nebraska. 0u becoming the next Arky or Corn makes my heart sing. What goes around, comes around. Karma
July 19Jul 19 On 7/7/2025 at 3:12 PM, Tex Long said: gas was $0.20 a gallon What are we talking here, 1950?
July 19Jul 19 11 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said: What are we talking here, 1950? '53. It was still only a quarter in '61 when I was a freshman at Texas. A gallon of gas and a longneck were both $0.25 then.
August 14Aug 14 I'll tell you about 0u. They are getting smoked in the Cotton Bowl 34-3 right now on the SEC network.
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