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On 8/30/2023 at 10:45 AM, Sam Lin said:

No. Fuck this. I tip when I pick up, unless I know it'll be on a different shift and the dropoff guy won't be there.

Only exception is when I'm asking them to park me in a prime spot out front so I can look like a baller and impress the chicks. (This has never actually occurred.)

Yeah--this is kind of tough.  Because I think the "prospective tip" was something that, ten years ago, was only for if you wanted a prime spot up front.  Probably 20 years ago, I went to Del Mar for the races, and I had a flight out of SAN that afternoon, so I was going to want to get out of there in a hurry.  So I gave the guy a $20 bill on the front end and asked him to keep the car close so that I could get out of there.  He did, and I did.

But since then, I definitely think the prospective tip to the valet has become less of a "this is an unusual deal where I need you to take good care of my car" and more of a "it is expected that I do this on the front end so that you don't fuck up my car."  And I don't like that.

21 hours ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

To be honest, I was taking my wife downtown for her birthday a couple of weeks ago.  I knew ahead of time that we'd be using a valet.  I looked up how to tip a valet.  It was some weird formula like $5 at dropoff, then 20% of the parking fee or somesuch.  As one who relied on tips for several years while putting my wife and I through college, I'd rather err on the side of tipping too much or too often over accidentally stiffing someone.  We can afford it.  It's no big deal.

This sounds pretty reasonable.  But there are some problems with it.  What about complimentary valets?  Am I tipping 20% of $0?  That doesn't seem to make much sense.

And I am starting to get a lot tougher on tipping valets as the tip rate for valets goes up.  If I'm going to tip you $5 or $10, then you need to take the little tag off my keychain, take the slip from off my dash or underneath my windshield wiper, return my seat to its original position, and not take my headlights off the "AUTO" setting.  If you can't do those basic things to restore my car to the condition in which I handed it over, you're not providing me a service.  You're inconveniencing me.  And why should I tip you for inconveniencing me?

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On 8/30/2023 at 7:39 AM, Knoxtnhorn said:

Well my non 1% ass just found out that you're supposed to tip both when you drop the car off and when you pick it up from a valet.  At least that's what the googles said.  I've always just tipped picking it up.

This is fucking madness

38 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

What about complimentary valets?

This makes me even more ragey.  There is no such thing.  If it was complimentary, there would be no tip.  What's that?  Oh there is no other option to park besides valet?  Well thanks for forcing me into your tip scam.

Good point re: the free valet.  Like everything else on this thread, I suppose that's the route we're going.  Nothing is ever free, just shifted.

The "tip for everything" madness is going to fuck the people over who rely on tips, eventually.

This makes me even more ragey.  There is no such thing.  If it was complimentary, there would be no tip.  What's that?  Oh there is no other option to park besides valet?  Well thanks for forcing me into your tip scam.

I was told by a person that was working at a restaurant that had their parking lot taken over by a valet company at the directions of their landlord that you can tell them you are concealed carrying and they’ll let you park your own car due to legal concerns about being in a car with firearms (or some shit). Haven’t been back to try it but fully intend to see if that works. Also, that was a really long run on sentence.
1 hour ago, Scary Stranger said:


I was told by a person that was working at a restaurant that had their parking lot taken over by a valet company at the directions of their landlord that you can tell them you are concealed carrying and they’ll let you park your own car due to legal concerns about being in a car with firearms (or some shit). Haven’t been back to try it but fully intend to see if that works. Also, that was a really long run on sentence.

“I’m pretty sure all the porn I have stashed in this car is legal in most states, try to find some shade if you can.” 

On 8/28/2023 at 8:50 PM, jimmyjazz said:

So why pay engineers $200/hr, or attorneys $600/hr?  Why not $15/hr?  Everything is the same, every job has the same value, right?

You have a mighty fucked up view of the free market.  We've already established that, on average, servers are worth well above $15/hr, but you want to cap their pay at that amount if that's their base.  Why?  Who are you to say what they should be paid?

I already get the feeling you're the jackass who is dragging their effective hourly rate down, but go with me here.  Explain why you think everyone but you should be paid $15/hr, max.

Your reading comprehension sucks.  I don't think that at all.  Their employers could pay them $500/hr and it would bother me.  Probably wouldn't go there because it would be too expensive, though.

I've said this numerous times on here but apparently I have to repeat it to you again...

If the pay is specifically set up to depend on tips (like TX where they're paid $2.31/hr), then I have ZERO problem tipping and I tip well.  When it's NOT specifically set up to depend on tips I feel no special urge to tip "just because".  It's not my job to supplement their pay.  That's their employers job.  I don't tip the checker at the grocery store who has to scan 100 items and sometimes bag them who is making the same $15/hr as the server...because the pay is not specifically set up to depend on tips.

Or, as you said above "Who are you to say what they should be paid?"  Well, if I'm the one that's supposed to PAY it, then I DO get a say...it kind of works that way even with normal tipping situations, doesn't it?  The customer gets to decide how much the server gets paid by either leaving a shitty tip, a decent tip, or a great tip.

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4 hours ago, Ag with kids said:

Found this amusing...

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They should also put up a board where the customers can note the shitty service

4 hours ago, Ag with kids said:

Found this amusing...

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How is Tyler worse than Joe?

I would try to hold all 7 spots on that board.

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On 9/3/2023 at 4:30 PM, Ag with kids said:

Found this amusing...

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Hmmmm.  Lucky for me---my name has too many characters to fit in the "NAME" cell.

 

9 hours ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

I disagree. You can squeeze Two Dogs Fucking into that space. 

Well, my street name is doggystyle

Not exactly tip related, but I just got a $9 charge from uber eats for delivering a pizza

Went to a show, bought a shirt at the merch table and after the card swip, I got a tip screen.  Uh, no.

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I just selected “no tip” for the first time at counter service. It felt liberating. I feel like I’m leaving an abusive relationship 

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

I just selected “no tip” for the first time at counter service. It felt liberating. I feel like I’m leaving an abusive relationship 

 

It doesn't just get easier to select no tip, it gets more enjoyable.  You're gonna look forward to it.

Probably covered but what about places where you order at the counter and then they bring it to you? You have to make the tip decision when you pay (or I suppose you could tip cash later).

If it's a gotdam IPAD, they ain't getting a tip.

I don't round up either.  Fuck yo charity.

Just gimme my fucking food , ya fucking grifters.

Ha.  A bartender I know posted on social media saying yeah say what you want about me oil/gas worker.  I make more money than you.  That's where I say yeah.  I hope you get your 5 percent 

23 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

Ha.  A bartender I know posted on social media saying yeah say what you want about me oil/gas worker.  I make more money than you.  That's where I say yeah.  I hope you get your 5 percent 

He doesn't make more until I say he makes more...

Every business at my office uses Square. I usually tip a dollar per order. They’re not doing shit except shoving some food in a styrofoam box and asking me if I want a drink. And I think that’s fair. If every single person tips a dollar they’re going to have a good day. 

5 hours ago, FartingMonk said:

Ha.  A bartender I know posted on social media saying yeah say what you want about me oil/gas worker.  I make more money than you.  That's where I say yeah.  I hope you get your 5 percent 

Hello, IRS...there's this guy...

This makes me even more ragey.  There is no such thing.  If it was complimentary, there would be no tip.  What's that?  Oh there is no other option to park besides valet?  Well thanks for forcing me into your tip scam.
Valet pisses me off in general. It has its place, but not at a normal restaurant with plenty of parking available. Yes let me pay you to park my car two spots over from where I can park myself for free. I'll avoid eating somewhere that is valet only because fuck them.

went to a concert at dickies arena in ft worth, asked the guy at the beer booth if the tips even go to him and he said he gets paid an hourly wage and no tips. all tips go to the venue. saved me some tip money. 

27 minutes ago, stc said:

went to a concert at dickies arena in ft worth, asked the guy at the beer booth if the tips even go to him and he said he gets paid an hourly wage and no tips. all tips go to the venue. saved me some tip money. 

How sad is that.

1 hour ago, stc said:

went to a concert at dickies arena in ft worth, asked the guy at the beer booth if the tips even go to him and he said he gets paid an hourly wage and no tips. all tips go to the venue. saved me some tip money. 

Not only is that sad, it is also highly illegal.

1 hour ago, stc said:

went to a concert at dickies arena in ft worth, asked the guy at the beer booth if the tips even go to him and he said he gets paid an hourly wage and no tips. all tips go to the venue. saved me some tip money. 

Is that legal?

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2 hours ago, stc said:

went to a concert at dickies arena in ft worth, asked the guy at the beer booth if the tips even go to him and he said he gets paid an hourly wage and no tips. all tips go to the venue. saved me some tip money. 

i doubt that is the case, but there is no way the employees aren't taking money out of that jar throughout the night if it is.

21 minutes ago, po elvis said:

i doubt that is the case, but there is no way the employees aren't taking money out of that jar throughout the night if it is.

no cash option, cards only. 

I used to never tip for "counter service", but then I started watching some of the ladies at the joint we pick up tacos from on most saturdays, and they're humping it just as much as any waitress, if not actually waitressing in between getting your order ready and ringing you up for it.. They answer the phones, pack the orders, bring them to the counter and ring you up. Leave there, pour someone's coffee. This is not normal at all places, obviously, but if I can't be sure, I go ahead and tip a couple of bucks. 

What bugs me is a few weeks ago our group of 6 was charged gratuity without even knowing it. We all had a few drinks, so I wasn't adding everything up, and just assumed the drinks were expensive. After we already paid, one of the guys (the one not drinking, obviously) asked to see the actual ticket out of curiosity, and the gratuity was on it. After we had all tipped regularly. I don't mind it if it's the regular ticket with everything itemized, including gratuity, but we were just given the total and tax when we paid. They got us good. 

31 minutes ago, stc said:

no cash option, cards only. 

oh wow. can tell i haven't been to a show lately. maybe i should start asking that question as well.

On 9/26/2023 at 10:47 AM, GopherRock said:

Not only is that sad, it is also highly illegal.

I don't think it's illegal assuming his hourly wage is the minimum wage.  

15 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

I don't think it's illegal assuming his hourly wage is the minimum wage.  

No, tips are the employees not the employers. The employer’s responsibility is to make sure that the employee makes at least minimum wage with tips, but all tips are due to the employee.

nvm, it is a law in this state.  Can't believe that the 88th Lege didn't repeal it.

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1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

nvm, it is a law in this state.  Can't believe that the 88th Lege didn't repeal it.

It’s dictated by FLSA under the DOL. To my knowledge there are state laws that can provide further protections to the employee but they cannot go below the federal required standards.

17 minutes ago, Brew said:

It’s dictated by FLSA under the DOL. To my knowledge there are state laws that can provide further protections to the employee but they cannot go below the federal required standards.

Can't believe Ken Paxton hasn't sued.

12 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

Can't believe Ken Paxton hasn't sued.

He's been preoccupied. 

15 minutes ago, Deej said:

He's been preoccupied. 

kitchen remodel?  Big time suck, trust me.  

16 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

Can't believe Ken Paxton hasn't sued.

You could send him the info.  Maybe he hasn't bought a beer from that vendor lately...

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Here in Austin,  Habana automatically adds a 20% tip, and they don't tell you about it.   Since i now read my receipts, I noticed it and adjusted my tip appropriately. 

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2 hours ago, Focht Up said:

Here in Austin,  Habana automatically adds a 20% tip, and they don't tell you about it.

Such bullshit. Fuck 'em. 

4 hours ago, Deej said:

Such bullshit. Fuck 'em. 

Interestingly, the service sucked. Yet I'm still stuck with 20% tip.  It's going to be a while before I go back. 

Of course it sucked. They don't have to work for the tip any longer.

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