August 16, 20232 yr There has been a significant proliferation of fancy tunnel car washes around me lately with more coming. Are car washes are really good business and I just didn’t realize it or is it a piece of some bigger real estate thing or what not?
August 17, 20232 yr 42 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said: There has been a significant proliferation of fancy tunnel car washes around me lately with more coming. Are car washes are really good business and I just didn’t realize it or is it a piece of some bigger real estate thing or what WSJ had an article a couple years ago about PE rolling up car wash companies, which per the article are highly fragmented. I would guess that roll up activity has unleashed some organization with a boat load of capital to chase car wash market share.
August 17, 20232 yr I’ve known a couple guys who owned car washes as a side business. Both made a good money with it and both were dealing with car wash bullshit all day, every day. Broken equipment, polluted water drainage requirements and inspections, a constant rotating door of minimum wage employees not showing up, more broken equipment. From what I could tell they both worked a lot harder than I ever care too.
August 17, 20232 yr The self storage bros have fully saturated the market so they've expanded to car washes.
August 17, 20232 yr 11 hours ago, Incredulity said: WSJ had an article a couple years ago about PE rolling up car wash companies, which per the article are highly fragmented. I would guess that roll up activity has unleashed some organization with a boat load of capital to chase car wash market share. Our independent sponsor rolled up 38 across AZ and CO.
August 17, 20232 yr 12 hours ago, Your Mom said: I’ve known a couple guys who owned car washes as a side business. Both made a good money with it and both were dealing with car wash bullshit all day, every day. Broken equipment, polluted water drainage requirements and inspections, a constant rotating door of minimum wage employees not showing up, more broken equipment. From what I could tell they both worked a lot harder than I ever care too. Heard the same - not as much fun and people expect them to be. During the winter all the truck-bro's coming back from the lease with enough mud on them to clog a storm drain. If I was going to invest in a passive investment I'd look at long term storage facilities. Even the small ones are almost always at capacity.
August 17, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said: Heard the same - not as much fun and people expect them to be. During the winter all the truck-bro's coming back from the lease with enough mud on them to clog a storm drain. If I was going to invest in a passive investment I'd look at long term storage facilities. Even the small ones are almost always at capacity. Yeah, would love to have Boat/RV near a lake or retirement community.
August 17, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said: Yeah, would love to have Boat/RV near a lake or retirement community. Guy on our street is renting and has a pair of jet skis on a trailer. Too wide for the carport. Can't leave them in the driveway as the HOA is a bunch of a-holes. Nothing around can take them. Guy's desperate and the elasticity of his pricing and willingness to pay is through the roof. Has a small business and would up trailering them to his office and locking them in the parking lot with cables and wheel locks.
August 22, 20232 yr On 8/17/2023 at 8:45 AM, BabaYaga said: Guy on our street is renting and has a pair of jet skis on a trailer. Too wide for the carport. Can't leave them in the driveway as the HOA is a bunch of a-holes. Nothing around can take them. Guy's desperate and the elasticity of his pricing and willingness to pay is through the roof. Has a small business and would up trailering them to his office and locking them in the parking lot with cables and wheel locks. I keep both a boat and an TT in one (when not hunting season). The guy we use has 3 different lots all within 5 miles of each other. 650 units. $175/per. There probably 15 similar places within a 10 mile radius, actually, probably more than that. I called on 10 places when I was looking.
August 29, 20232 yr On 8/17/2023 at 8:35 AM, BabaYaga said: Heard the same - not as much fun and people expect them to be. During the winter all the truck-bro's coming back from the lease with enough mud on them to clog a storm drain. If I was going to invest in a passive investment I'd look at long term storage facilities. Even the small ones are almost always at capacity. They're only passive if your only work is logging onto your bank's website to see a dividend deposit into your account. Instead of buying/owning a storage facility, it's much easier to buy stock in someone who does. If you have to spend a minute managing said facility, it's far from passive. And I'm not talking about the IRS definition but common sense definition.
August 29, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: They're only passive if your only work is logging onto your bank's website to see a dividend deposit into your account. Instead of buying/owning a storage facility, it's much easier to buy stock in someone who does. If you have to spend a minute managing said facility, it's far from passive. And I'm not talking about the IRS definition but common sense definition. Agreed - you can say the same for most investments, up to and not including owner occupied housing (via shared appreciation down payment programs) I was thinking more rural areas with facilities that have no stock options.
August 29, 20232 yr I'd do an RV/boat parking lot. Build a security fenced paved lot with an automatic gate entry with cameras everywhere. Still gonna be some work but a lot less than most other "passive" income streams.
August 29, 20232 yr A few years ago, a guy that owns several self-storage and RV/boat lots in NE Travis county told me RV/boat lots throw off about $3,000/ac/month and the self-storage (not climate controlled) throws off about $10,000/ac/month. Those both could be a little higher now.
August 31, 20232 yr I've met more than one person who lost 100% of their investment in a car washAny specific type? I’d be curious if the self serve type vs the automatic is more profitable.
August 31, 20232 yr I’ve always figured that self-serve car wash equipment must get abused by the customers. When I used to hit up those places, it frequently seemed like something was broken. And a full service location must always have employee issues. I would assume a reliable manager(s) and repair service is key. For full service, the key must be the recurring car wash plans. I subscribe to one and they’ve made a killing from me this summer with zero rain. In rainier times, I will go a couple of times per week. From an investment standpoint isn’t the main consideration how much it takes to get started. Pay a low upfront amount then the operational issues aren’t as critical. Pay a higher amount, then you’re sweating when Bay 3’s coin collector is down for a week. Edited August 31, 20232 yr by Nice Guy Eddie
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