October 11Oct 11 2 hours ago, RomaVicta said: Well if you want to take the presumptuous and doubling down on name-calling as a position, have some rancor. 1. Dismissing what someone says as stupid, moronic, or idiotic based on a premise you don't really articulate says more about your mind than anyone to whom you direct your vacant claims. 2. You are so unjustifiably sure of yourself that you claim I am pretending about my opinion. I actually name my statements as opinions. You proclaim absolute truth supported by disdain for any who disagree. Here, eat dick, you fucking moron if you don't agree with me. Hey, I just crushed whatever you think your argument is. Neato! I guess that really is persuasive. 3. The main point I and others are making is not to take Arch down a dark road and bury him alive. Here's the line of reasoning. I know I'm wasting my time because you will destroy it by writing that I'm not serious and that my position is really really stupid. I'll likely weep. a. Arch Manning is objectively struggling to find open receivers and throw accurately to those he does find. Many promising completions have been limited by his ball placement retarding the speed of the receiver. b. We have lost twice to competitive teams (even though it's possible Florida won't be very competitive with anyone else). Many elements caused those losses. Pay attention now, other players poor play does not excuse the problems Manning has had as described in a. above. c. Amid the futile plays at the end of the game in hopes of scoring against Florida, Caldwell has to go in and makes the only competent QB play of that possession. d. It's actually not uncommon to play a player who has shown, in game, that his experience may pay off nicely by succeeding at some of the easy reads and throws that dog the starter. e. You don't fucking know how good Caldwell is. Nobody is saying he's VY. You keep harping on his time at Troy. The same coach that chose Manning chose this guy as a viable back up. Should I put more stock in Sark's evaluation or yours? (I know. I know. I'm just pretending that's a reasonable statement. Ya got me.) f. You defend your position like that skinny blond guy begged us to leave Britney alone. The difference is that he was joking. Enough with, oh he'll die behind that line, he tries so hard, he really isn't playing poorly, nobody in the world should be put in. Translation: stick to losing if it means I can hold my jackass position that not even God in heaven should bench him for a series. g. Yes, only a series or more if Caldwell moves the ball. That's all we're saying. Who is actually being unreasonable here? @Thatguy's analysis and explanation are persuasive. Your claim about the hopelessness of the one play perfectly illustrates your odd desperation. Deny your eyes all you want but maybe keep it to yourself. What's going on here is pretty much self-immolation. We're growing sad for you. I know for some this is tldr. For you, it's likely too long can't understand it. Now fuck yourself along and toss another spurt at the Arch altar. The play is the play Roma. Its not opinion. This isnt politics. He either saw it or he didnt. That said I have never wanted Arch benched. The argument was simply about what he shouldve done. Nothing more. Quit trying to make me Derka who disliked Quinn from season one on. I hope Arch kicks ass tomorrow. Im just pointing out what Im seeing.
October 11Oct 11 2 hours ago, RomaVicta said: Well if you want to take the presumptuous and doubling down on name-calling as a position, have some rancor. 1. Dismissing what someone says as stupid, moronic, or idiotic based on a premise you don't really articulate says more about your mind than anyone to whom you direct your vacant claims. 2. You are so unjustifiably sure of yourself that you claim I am pretending about my opinion. I actually name my statements as opinions. You proclaim absolute truth supported by disdain for any who disagree. Here, eat dick, you fucking moron if you don't agree with me. Hey, I just crushed whatever you think your argument is. Neato! I guess that really is persuasive. 3. The main point I and others are making is not to take Arch down a dark road and bury him alive. Here's the line of reasoning. I know I'm wasting my time because you will destroy it by writing that I'm not serious and that my position is really really stupid. I'll likely weep. a. Arch Manning is objectively struggling to find open receivers and throw accurately to those he does find. Many promising completions have been limited by his ball placement retarding the speed of the receiver. b. We have lost twice to competitive teams (even though it's possible Florida won't be very competitive with anyone else). Many elements caused those losses. Pay attention now, other players poor play does not excuse the problems Manning has had as described in a. above. c. Amid the futile plays at the end of the game in hopes of scoring against Florida, Caldwell has to go in and makes the only competent QB play of that possession. d. It's actually not uncommon to play a player who has shown, in game, that his experience may pay off nicely by succeeding at some of the easy reads and throws that dog the starter. e. You don't fucking know how good Caldwell is. Nobody is saying he's VY. You keep harping on his time at Troy. The same coach that chose Manning chose this guy as a viable back up. Should I put more stock in Sark's evaluation or yours? (I know. I know. I'm just pretending that's a reasonable statement. Ya got me.) f. You defend your position like that skinny blond guy begged us to leave Britney alone. The difference is that he was joking. Enough with, oh he'll die behind that line, he tries so hard, he really isn't playing poorly, nobody in the world should be put in. Translation: stick to losing if it means I can hold my jackass position that not even God in heaven should bench him for a series. g. Yes, only a series or more if Caldwell moves the ball. That's all we're saying. Who is actually being unreasonable here? @Thatguy's analysis and explanation are persuasive. Your claim about the hopelessness of the one play perfectly illustrates your odd desperation. Deny your eyes all you want but maybe keep it to yourself. What's going on here is pretty much self-immolation. We're growing sad for you. I know for some this is tldr. For you, it's likely too long can't understand it. Now fuck yourself along and toss another spurt at the Arch altar. Oops. I thought that was for me and didnt see who you quoted . My bad.
October 11Oct 11 2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said: Joey Aguilar sucks because he played for 5-6 App St last year Joey Aguilar has thrown for 6700 yards and 50 touchdowns in his college career you dunce
October 11Oct 11 2 hours ago, Thatguy said: Yep. And what does that tell you? He isnt processing what he is seeing. I don’t disagree with that on the presnap side. I just think if he doesn’t make that presnap read, he’s never getting that throw. And he currently isn’t going to change his presnap 1st choice as he doesn’t get it yet.
October 11Oct 11 2 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said: . wait, no fucking way, Peyton Manning is our coach and Cooper is on the team?
October 11Oct 11 4 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said: Joey Aguilar has thrown for 6700 yards and 50 touchdowns in his college career you dunce Sorry man, he was 5-6 not good enough
October 11Oct 11 2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: Sorry man, he was 5-6 not good enough Your lack of comprehension is astounding.
October 11Oct 11 14 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said: Your lack of comprehension is astounding. You think arch is good
October 11Oct 11 1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said: You think arch is good 15 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said: Your lack of comprehension is astounding.
October 11Oct 11 8 minutes ago, MissingInAction said: If the land thieves weren't so regarded I'd expect chantS of NEP-O BA-BY tomorrow. Will Drake Stoops be there to lead the nepo baby chants?
October 11Oct 11 4 hours ago, Jkwellborn said: Have you ever seen an offensive minded coach who didn’t wanna stack the skill positions and score a ton of points to the detriment of the defense and be aggressive a lot? Seems like defensive minded coaches are the opposite. Protect the defense with a slower offense and conservative play. what's real weird is sark seems to recruit dline better than oline lol
October 11Oct 11 4 hours ago, Thatguy said: The play is the play Roma. Its not opinion. This isnt politics. He either saw it or he didnt. That said I have never wanted Arch benched. The argument was simply about what he shouldve done. Nothing more. Quit trying to make me Derka who disliked Quinn from season one on. I hope Arch kicks ass tomorrow. Im just pointing out what Im seeing. Am I doing that or do you mean the person I was responding to? I don't see you (or myself) as Arch haters. I'd be delighted to see Arch destroy OU. Now that I think about, you're responding to me saying "we." Sorry if I errantly included you in something. I do appreciate the lessons. 4 hours ago, Thatguy said: Oops. I thought that was for me and didnt see who you quoted . My bad. All is well.
October 11Oct 11 13 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said: It’s a big assumption that he doesn’t get YAC or that the defender makes or whiffs the tackle retard autist. And the bigger point is the catch is a better result than a sack I don’t think he catches the ball. I think people look at these and make the assumption that the exact reaction will occur. That DB will be all over the WR, if Arch is looking at the WR and even makes a hint of throwing it to him. He is 5 off with hips parallel to the LOS and coming down and Arch isn’t even looking that direction. He is in great position. The QB has to go through the motion of throwing and the ball has to travel 20 yards. He isn’t catching the ball. I was merely saying even if he did, he will be short
October 11Oct 11 12 hours ago, Thatguy said: The play is the play Roma. Its not opinion. This isnt politics. He either saw it or he didnt. That said I have never wanted Arch benched. The argument was simply about what he shouldve done. Nothing more. Quit trying to make me Derka who disliked Quinn from season one on. I hope Arch kicks ass tomorrow. Im just pointing out what Im seeing. You cut up a 1 route clip and said Arch picked the wrong WR like he had a choice. Derka would not go that far.
October 11Oct 11 49 minutes ago, Codaxx said: I don’t think he catches the ball. I think people look at these and make the assumption that the exact reaction will occur. That DB will be all over the WR, if Arch is looking at the WR and even makes a hint of throwing it to him. He is 5 off with hips parallel to the LOS and coming down and Arch isn’t even looking that direction. He is in great position. The QB has to go through the motion of throwing and the ball has to travel 20 yards. He isn’t catching the ball. I was merely saying even if he did, he will be short You don’t realize that arch should process the other side the field first then come back. There is a look off. This is basic shit that should have been identified pre snap. Be should know that combo is there
October 11Oct 11 I think we were well over Page 200 before we were getting YAC analysis in the Ewers thread. Well done, everyone.
October 11Oct 11 On 10/7/2025 at 10:39 AM, Born Burnt said: It's entirely possible that someone might have just emailed that video to CDC I have no idea why this post showed up in this thread. Surly isn’t working well with the new IOS Edited October 11Oct 11 by Dbeasy
October 11Oct 11 12 hours ago, dcar00 said: wait, no fucking way, Peyton Manning is our coach and Cooper is on the team? More like Cooper is our HC, and little bro Heid is our starting center.
October 11Oct 11 14 hours ago, Vic Mackey said: . Yea. Nobody has criticized arch at all. Racialist of course
October 11Oct 11 ThatGuy : Quinn Ewers :: Smithers : Mr.Burns ThatGuy : Arch Manning :: Jason Whitlock : Black people
October 11Oct 11 I've undertaken a comprehensive survey of every hall of fame NFL quarterback. The results are shocking. What I learned is there is actually a talent delta for each of these players between their high-school years, first year starting in college, and peak NFL output. This leads one to believe that maybe, just maybe, QBs develop over time and get better with more experience. I'm still sitting here trying to process this stunning revelation.
October 11Oct 11 13 minutes ago, Derka said: ThatGuy : Quinn Ewers :: Smithers : Mr.Burns ThatGuy : Arch Manning :: Jason Whitlock : Black people They both suck and haven't been developed
October 11Oct 11 43 minutes ago, ermahgerdhorn said: I've undertaken a comprehensive survey of every hall of fame NFL quarterback. The results are shocking. What I learned is there is actually a talent delta for each of these players between their high-school years, first year starting in college, and peak NFL output. This leads one to believe that maybe, just maybe, QBs develop over time and get better with more experience. I'm still sitting here trying to process this stunning revelation. Take away his two Super Bowl wins and Eli himself was a pretty average qb
October 11Oct 11 1 hour ago, Im_smarter_then_you said: No you don’t. Again, I am not @Derka. I am not pissed at my quarterback for coming from a perceived higher station in life. This isn't fucking teams. I told you so's ended against OSU. Its winning time now. I just want him to play better, and in the long run he will. I've said that 100 times. Being critical of his play doesn't mean I want him to fail. Move on from that bullshit.
October 11Oct 11 1 hour ago, Derka said: ThatGuy : Quinn Ewers :: Smithers : Mr.Burns ThatGuy : Arch Manning :: Jason Whitlock : Black people Alright dude. If you wanna take the gloves off we can do that. You are closer to Whitlock than I ever will be. In size and personality.
October 11Oct 11 15 hours ago, hobbes2702 said: I don’t disagree with that on the presnap side. I just think if he doesn’t make that presnap read, he’s never getting that throw. And he currently isn’t going to change his presnap 1st choice as he doesn’t get it yet. I truly think he will get there Hobbes. My personal opinion is that not being challenged in high school made his learning curve a lot steeper than it would be if he came from 5 or 6a ball. He had all day to look around in high school.
October 11Oct 11 2 hours ago, ermahgerdhorn said: I've undertaken a comprehensive survey of every hall of fame NFL quarterback. The results are shocking. What I learned is there is actually a talent delta for each of these players between their high-school years, first year starting in college, and peak NFL output. This leads one to believe that maybe, just maybe, QBs develop over time and get better with more experience. I'm still sitting here trying to process this stunning revelation. Yeah I remember this guy who did incredible things the second half of his rs soph year and his junior year. His rs freshman year and the first half of his rs soph year, he did some great things and some freshman/sophomore things. I rememeber some people on here saying some really smart things about what to do with him, like "We should move him to TE". IIRC he wore #10 on his back. Ya know, before the season started I said they were crazy to rank us #1 with a new qb, like they so often do. Preseason polls are stupid, and this year's was no exception. It's like they do it on purpose, so they can make hay off of the #1 team falling from the top of the hill (I stated that as a theory, but we all know it's 100% intentional). But my assessment didn't even take into account the losses we incurred on the OL. Putting us at #1 was literally insane ... just as insane as blaming our offensive woes on one guy when the entire offense has personnel issues and the play calls are being made by a guy who shouldn't be making them. Edited October 11Oct 11 by wood
October 11Oct 11 3 minutes ago, Thatguy said: I truly think he will get there Hobbes. My personal opinion is that not being challenged in high school made his learning curve a lot steeper than it would be if he came from 5 or 6a ball. He had all day to look around in high school. WYM? This seems to be translating
October 11Oct 11 1 minute ago, Thatguy said: I truly think he will get there Hobbes. My personal opinion is that not being challenged in high school made his learning curve a lot steeper than it would be if he came from 5 or 6a ball. He had all day to look around in high school. I agree Manning's HS competition sucked and was comparable to SPC. But, he's been in the program 3 years. He should have a better feel for the game's speed from running the scout team and practice reps vs our 2's and 3's. He performed better last year, in limited PT. Maybe he's just a choker.
October 11Oct 11 Just now, DFW Horn said: I agree Manning's HS competition sucked and was comparable to SPC. But, he's been in the program 3 years. He should have a better feel for the game's speed from running the scout team and practice reps vs our 2's and 3's. He performed better last year, in limited PT. Maybe he's just a choker. Exactly. It's not like he's a true freshmen or even redshirt freshmen. He's been going up against this level of talent for 3 years leading up to this season.
October 11Oct 11 1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said: Exactly. It's not like he's a true freshmen or even redshirt freshmen. He's been going up against this level of talent for 3 years leading up to this season. I'm just tired of hearing about his HS competition and learning curve. He should be over that shit in year 2. If not, we fucked up his evaluation.
October 11Oct 11 Seriously watch Ty Simpson play and how fast he goes through his progressions. FYI Simpson went to a HS with just 500 people in Tennessee as well. Edited October 11Oct 11 by BurntOrange&White
October 11Oct 11 1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said: Seriously watch Julian Sayin play and how fast he goes through his progressions. *sigh* 😑
October 11Oct 11 5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said: Seriously watch Ty Simpson play and how fast he goes through his progressions. FYI Simpson went to a HS with just 500 people in Tennessee as well. You've got Sayin confused with someone else. He went to HS in Carlsbad, CA. That's a good program, comparable to 5A or 6A in TX
October 11Oct 11 29 minutes ago, Thatguy said: Alright dude. If you wanna take the gloves off we can do that. You are closer to Whitlock than I ever will be. In size and personality. well i thought it was funny. and accurate. 🤷🏼♂️ Edited October 11Oct 11 by Derka
October 11Oct 11 31 minutes ago, Thatguy said: am not @Derka. I am not pissed at my quarterback for coming from a perceived higher station in life. lolol, yeah, that was my issue with quinn, his house in southlake.
October 11Oct 11 34 minutes ago, Thatguy said: I truly think he will get there Hobbes. My personal opinion is that not being challenged in high school made his learning curve a lot steeper than it would be if he came from 5 or 6a ball. He had all day to look around in high school. I hope he gets there and think he can but he hasn’t gotten there yet. My main point is that it’s wild to be advocating for another QB to take over right now.
October 11Oct 11 On 10/7/2025 at 7:24 PM, Gene Parmesan said: Name another I don't know if the is satire or not but, I'm just going to name 5 stars by position of people who were super hyped up and we all know that are busts from 2015-2023. QB: Garrett Gilbert (DOA; wrong system, is blind) Ryan Perriloux (meh at best) Malachai Nelson (DOA; causality for this class) 2023 Connor Weigman (horribad; DOA) 2022 Rhett Bomar (DOA) Mitch Mustain (bleh) JT Daniels (DOA; journeyman) Max Browne (DOA) Spencer Rattler (DOA; a slight revival at USCe) Gunner Kiel (DOA) Blake Barnett (DOA) Jacob Eason (DOA) Shea Patterson (DOA) Jeff Driskel (DOA) Jevan Snead (RIP. Still a bust in college, imo) DJ Uiagalelei (considered one of the biggest bust of all time. I saw some brainlet compared Manning to him. Derp) 2020 Sam Huard -(DOA) 2021 Drew Allar (not really a bust, per se, but he is far removed from his #3 overall rank) 2022 Nico Iamaleava (average. Potential potential potential is all I hear, but his #2 ranking says nah, son) 2023 Jackson Arnold (#10. Holy shit. Nothing to see here) RB: Johnathan Gray (injuries) Isaiah Crowell (dumbassary) Demarkcus Bowman (one of the most baffling recruitments and disappearances I've ever seen) Jermie Calhoun (turd wrapped in queef sauce) Demetrius Summers (DOA) Darrell Scott (one of the most hyped and disappointing players at his position, ever. Thanks, CU!) 2008 Trey Sanders (DOA) Zack Evans (lulz) Kevin Grady (DOA) Derrick Green (vaguely remember him) Maurice Clarett (his own undoing) Tavien Feaster (DOA) Cam Akers (inconsistent at best, 1k rusher, but didn't tmive up to top 10 hype) Zamir White (#[ RB lAbsolute suck. Only real RB ahead was D'Andre Swift) John Emery Jr. (#1 RB one of the biggest busts not named Darrell Scott) Rueben Owens (#2 RB behind Baxter. Gawd awful at his job. Averages close to 3.5 ypc with 3 TD's for his career. For comparison, Baxter averages close to 5 ypc) WR: BJ Johnson (#1 WR #7 overall) Bru McCoy (likes to abuse women, sucks) Johntay Cook (see below) Darius White (fuck this guy) John Chiles (I believe was a 5 star, correct me if wrong) Fred Rouse (likes to catch felonies) Weedy Noil (damage to frontal lobe, dumbassary) Demond Demus (woman abuser, dumbassary, karma) Dorial Green-Beckham (dumbassary) Julian Fleming (#1 WR #4 overall) 2020 Whitney Lewis (#[ WR. sucked. Transferred) Donovan Peoples-Jones (#2 WR. average. Had potential, but wrong system. Somehow is collecting a check in the league. Sucks there, too. Baffling) 2020 Terrace Marshall Jr. (below average at best) Jadon Haselwood (colossal bust; never do horns down. Cursed) Kyle Ford (turrible) Kayshon Boutte (injuries and ducking) Chris Marshall (#1 WR. People doing rankings are tards. fucking LULZ. Earned) 2021 Zachariah Branch (#7 overall. For his top 10 rank, absolutely not) 2023 Nyck Harbor ( #15 overall. speed demon. Has never broken more than 375 yards in a season. Has 5 TD's for career. He's here for now until he proves his) 2023 TE: Arik Gilbert (#1 TE; consider him dead. At fourth school) 2021 Jeremy Ruckert (#1 2017, lack of stats/production) Baylor Cupp (#1 TE. colossal bust for the aggies) 2018 Duce Robinson (#1 T/#19 overall. Doesn't play traditional TE, but numbers are still ked. Makes JT Sanders look like George Kittle by comparison) 2023 Oscar Delp (#1 TE; see Duce) 2022 Jake Johnson (#2 TE; irrelevant) 2022 Jaleel Skinner (#3 TE; irrelevant) 2022 Thomas Fidone III (#1 TE; average if I'm being nice) 2021 Tommy Kraemer (#3 ranked, ND. Fail) OL: Mason Walters (injuries and he was meh) Foster Sarell (#8 ranked, Stanford Fail. Collects an NFL paycheck. Flummoxed) 2017 Tyler Johnson (woukd rather make trap house music, we'll never know if he can't play football very well. With third school) 2018 Tray Allen (gawd awful, may be due to coaching or suckery) 2007 Tommy Brockermeyer (fuck the Brocks. Deserved) 2021 DB/S: Denver Harris (like to live on the edge and put others in danger. Dumbfuck) Terrance Brooks (Slower than constipating a cement brick. Terrible) 2021 BJ Foster (holy wet turd, Batman!) 2018 Drew Kelson (don't get me started) Eli Eicks (injuries and sucks collects paycheck. NFL is repeatedly stupid) 2020 James Williams (#10 overall, MIA Fail. Plays LB now. See above) 2020 Cormani Clain (#14 hissy fit, left CU, had to walk on at UF, earned scholly in Jan. Hasn't broken more than 13 tackles in 3 years, has 2 INT's so Far) 2023 AJ Harris (UGA DB #27 overall. Below mid) LB: Dylan Moses (maxed out in 11th grade) Willie Williams (everyone knows this mf'er) Ben Davis - (wet shit) Brian Pickryl (I have to add him because of injury. Dude would have been a 1st rd pick had he not suffered that horrible injury) Baron Browning (#10 ranked, did not live up to hype) Robert Barnes (OU, sucked) Marcel Brooks (colossal bust; tweener LB/DE) Owen Pappoe (bust Hard) 2018 Justin Flowe (Man, huge, huge bust) Harold Perkins (great frosh season, then he's been meh. Has never lived up to his #5 ranking. Not even close. Pretty much positionless since he can't play ILB or OLB because he's too small, and he's basically just a pass rush specialists. Has never once broken 100 tackles in a season. Compared to Ant Hill, he might as well be nonexistent) 2022 DE:/DL Ronald Powell (Fail) Eyabi Oki-Anoma (#3 overall. Saban's fault.) 2018 Adepoju Adebawore ( #9 overall.OU. Well below average for a top 10 DE. Maybe he's behind others, but he's done zero. South Austin's mom wouldn't fuck this ou scrub) Trenton Thompson Antonio Alfano Byron Cowart Darius James Marvin Wilson Korey Foreman (#3 overall) 2021 Leonard Taylor III (#4 overall) 2021 Gabriel Downlow-Dindy (#11 overall. Fucking Lulz) Anthony Lucas (below average at best) 2022 DJ Hicks (#11 overall. Unless some force of good strikes him, he's terrible. Has yet to break 20 tackles) Da'Shawn Womack ( #26 overall.so far a bust) You get the gist, I'm tired of naming them, there's just so many. Also, I do not believe Arch will be a bust at the end of the day. He absolutely needs another season, but he won't be a bust. Even Andrew Luck sucked his first season. No, that doesn't make me feel better, nor do I believe he'll be Andrew Luck, but it does offer perspective to those who are panicking. Edited October 11Oct 11 by William Bludworth
October 11Oct 11 12 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said: I hope he gets there and think he can but he hasn’t gotten there yet. My main point is that it’s wild to be advocating for another QB to take over right now. If he plays like shit today and we lose? What’s not much difference between 2pm and 7pm
October 11Oct 11 Just now, BurntOrange&White said: If he plays like shit today and we lose? What’s not much difference between 2pm and 7pm Pussy
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