October 28Oct 28 Screw all the analysts and talking heads who often get it wrong: Targeting and Making Forcible Contact With the Crown of the Helmet ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown of their helmet. The crown of the helmet is the top segment of the helmet; namely, the circular area defined by a 6-inch radius from the apex (top) of the helmet. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul. (Rule 9-6) (A.R. 9-1-3-I) Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI) Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to: • Launch. A player leaving their feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area. • A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground. • Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area. • Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet. There are two different rules, "defenseless player" and generally. Defenseless player is more complex, the general rule is you can't hit someone with the crown of the helmet, anywhere. Defenseless or not.
October 28Oct 28 13 hours ago, Codaxx said: He needs to learn to protect himself. Got hurt on a first down run. No need to take that hit I was at the game and haven’t dived in to any highlights but in live action it look late and intentional forearm to the back of the head. Anything mentioned about that? Of course I was doing my best Cooter Brown impersonation by then… Edited October 28Oct 28 by MirrOlure
October 28Oct 28 13 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said: Has to be the crown of the helmet, correct? No, not at all. Leading with shoulder, forearm, etc is still targeting.
October 28Oct 28 8 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said: No, not at all. Leading with shoulder, forearm, etc is still targeting. Includes kicking too.
October 28Oct 28 14 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said: No, not at all. Leading with shoulder, forearm, etc is still targeting. Only on a defenseless player. A ball carrier running and diving forward isn’t defenseless. The only targeting on a non-defenseless player is if struck with the crown of the helmet. Arch was not targeted on that play.
October 28Oct 28 2 minutes ago, markstanco said: I have a feeling this argument over targeting wont stop today. Have faith. We'll come up with a dumber argument by lunch time.
October 28Oct 28 5 minutes ago, markstanco said: I have a feeling this argument over targeting wont stop today. Was Matthew Golden targeted this weekend?
October 28Oct 28 11 minutes ago, Mantis Toboggan, MD said: Only on a defenseless player. A ball carrier running and diving forward isn’t defenseless. The only targeting on a non-defenseless player is if struck with the crown of the helmet. Arch was not targeted on that play. I didnt even realize there was a defenseless vs runner debate raging. Just caught up. Interesting distinction in the quoted rules. I feel like we are missing something, because I find it hard to believe a defender can launch at a runner and knock their ass out with a forearm shiver and not draw a flag.
October 28Oct 28 Just now, CurlyDumps said: I find it hard to believe a defender can launch at a runner and knock their ass out with a forearm shiver and not draw a flag. Anthony Hill literally did that a few games back and no flag was thrown.
October 28Oct 28 11 hours ago, NBHorn7 said: Dizzy Dean said slud all the time when he announced baseball. My mom grew up in a Clayton MO duplex, the other side of which was occupied by the owner (Dizzy Dean).
October 28Oct 28 14 hours ago, Nicole44 said: Y’all realy believe the Mannings are telling Sark what to do and not do? Okeedokee. You want to know who the real puppet master is pulling all the strings? Warby fucking Parker, that’s who!
October 28Oct 28 18 minutes ago, South Austin said: Have faith. We'll come up with a dumber argument by lunch time. motto worthy post is motto worthy
October 28Oct 28 9 minutes ago, Fumbles said: Anthony Hill literally did that a few games back and no flag was thrown. Username checks out.
October 28Oct 28 12 hours ago, jimmyjazz said: Explain. 1st and 10, and he's gained 8-9. Is that extra yard worth losing your QB? The QB is down as soon as he initiates the slide. So he would have been marked down around the 18 yard line. He was balling and trying to get the first down and not leave it to our short yardage offense.
October 28Oct 28 1 minute ago, TxEx84 said: The QB is down as soon as he initiates the slide. I am well aware. He wouldn't need to start sliding at the 18, though. Carry on.
October 28Oct 28 3 minutes ago, TxEx84 said: The QB is down as soon as he initiates the slide. So he would have been marked down around the 18 yard line. He was balling and trying to get the first down and not leave it to our short yardage offense. When you dive forward for additional yardage, it's not considered a "slide". Consequently, Arch wasn't a "defenseless player" by rule. The officials could've called the hit "unnecessary roughness", but targeting isn't appropriate for this play.
October 28Oct 28 1 minute ago, DFW Horn said: The officials could've called the hit "unnecessary roughness" Arch may look like a goofy fucker, but Pat Mahomes he is not. He ain't getting that call. Edited October 28Oct 28 by Js1
October 28Oct 28 Reference pages FR-97 and FR-98 of the linked 2025 NCAA Football Rule Book for a complete definition of Targeting. To search a PDF, open the file and use the "Find" command by pressing Ctrl+F (Windows) or Command+F (Mac). Type your search term into the box that appears and use the "Next" and "Previous" buttons to navigate the results. It's too long for me to post it here. tl/dr for most Edited October 28Oct 28 by DFW Horn
October 28Oct 28 23 minutes ago, Fumbles said: Anthony Hill literally did that a few games back and no flag was thrown. no he straight up right hook that mofo
October 28Oct 28 13 hours ago, jimmyjazz said: Well, the play where he got his bell rung he dove head first, so maybe they need to talk to Arch about that and not Sark. He does seem to slide more often than he did before, but on that play he put his head out there for the double whammy. He dove forward not down, if he had dove down (think headfirst slide into second) it would have been different. No clue what this dude is saying but the video is what I was after
October 28Oct 28 49 minutes ago, TejasPedro said: You want to know who the real puppet master is pulling all the strings? Warby fucking Parker, that’s who! Warby Parker Parker Livingstone Coincidence? He's their inside man.
October 28Oct 28 49 minutes ago, TejasPedro said: You want to know who the real puppet master is pulling all the strings? Warby fucking Parker, that’s who!
October 28Oct 28 1 hour ago, South Austin said: Have faith. We'll come up with a dumber argument by lunch time. Bullshit.
October 28Oct 28 1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said: My mom grew up in a Clayton MO duplex, the other side of which was occupied by the owner (Dizzy Dean). I saw Dizzy Dean driving a yellow Stutz Bearcat in downtown St. Louis during the mid 1950s. He was wearing a long white duster, googles and flat cap.
October 28Oct 28 Just now, Armybrat said: I saw Dizzy Dean driving a yellow Stutz Bearcat in downtown St. Louis during the mid 1950s. He was wearing a long white duster, googles and flat cap. was your first away game here?
October 28Oct 28 2 minutes ago, Codaxx said: was your first away game here? The Lions dominated the Warriors that day.
October 28Oct 28 13 hours ago, jimmyjazz said: I think Arch made a terrible decision, and it's 50/50 he'll play against Vandy. If he doesn't play, we'll lose. Really bad decision. The idea that he has a BIGGER chance of getting concussed if he slides is nuts. Surly gonna surly. I'm not saying Caldwell is anywhere near better than Arch...but I don't think Arch not playing means they lose either.
October 28Oct 28 42 minutes ago, Armybrat said: I saw Dizzy Dean driving a yellow Stutz Bearcat in downtown St. Louis during the mid 1950s. He was wearing a long white duster, googles and flat cap. Here is his duplex (now):
October 28Oct 28 3 hours ago, Alien Octopus said: He definitely hit him with his helmet. It was a football play, and not malicious imo, but his helmet hit him in the back of helmet. The hit to the back of Arch’s head by the defensive lineman as he was going to the ground, accelerated his fall and head contact to the ground, probably increasing the severity of the concussion….absolutely should have been called targeting.
October 28Oct 28 30 minutes ago, Drew said: I'm not saying Caldwell is anywhere near better than Arch...but I don't think Arch not playing means they lose either. I think Caldwell gives us just as good of a chance to win as Arch. He has less talent but better decision making (I think) and probably better accuracy.
October 28Oct 28 24 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said: The hit to the back of Arch’s head by the defensive lineman as he was going to the ground, accelerated his fall and head contact to the ground, probably increasing the severity of the concussion….absolutely should have been called targeting. I don't understand the rule. It always seems subjective when called. That said, I hope Arch comes out with comic book super powers from his Scateboo-boo.
October 28Oct 28 42 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said: I think Caldwell gives us just as good of a chance to win as Arch. He has less talent but better decision making (I think) and probably better accuracy.
October 28Oct 28 4 minutes ago, Cruz in Aledo said: Yes but here is his pic: NO.. This is his actual picture Christians put up a valiant effort but eventually succumbed to the relentless pressure the Lions put on them.
October 28Oct 28 17 hours ago, Sgt Hulk said: Arch isn’t playing this week. He'll play if he can pass the test. He needs to put the star in the star hole - not the hexagaon, the star hole. That's a very difficult test for many. Until he can do that, he's still on the protocol.
October 28Oct 28 7 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said: getting ready to transfer to Georgia isn't he... Edited October 28Oct 28 by westexhorn
October 28Oct 28 4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: Arch is showing the cop a photo of his student ID, which he lost again, isn't he? He’s asking for directions because he doesn’t know what planet he’s on
October 28Oct 28 18 minutes ago, 52-80 said: that car tint looks darker than wesley snipes in a vampire night club Jesus Johnny gif
October 28Oct 28 1 hour ago, Hank_Hill said: Hope it’s not the same cop that got Ricky Williams! “Sir, I realize you can’t read this without your Warby Parkers, but it says here your name is ‘Archibald Manning.’ You’re impersonating someone else. Step out of the vehicle, we’re taking a ride.”
October 28Oct 28 1 hour ago, Hank_Hill said: Officer: “Sir, I need you to follow the pen with your eyes…” Arch:
October 28Oct 28 1 hour ago, 52-80 said: that car tint looks darker than wesley snipes in a vampire night club
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