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I thought he was concussed and said it in the game thread as well. Dude hit him with the crown of his helmet right in the back of Arch’s head. That’s exactly when he drops the ball, just lets go it looks like. Then he stumbled to get up which seemed weird. Then they showed his face and it definitely looked like he was dazed, which I thought was weird as the tackle seemed routine. Then they showed the replay and helmet to helmet. 

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4 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

wait until next year when ut faces a ewers led team in the playoffs 

 

 

So, you’re saying our defense will get 2 pick six’s two scoop and scores and a safety.  Let’s hope PK can keep him under 29 points. 

29 minutes ago, jet black said:

I thought he was concussed and said it in the game thread as well. Dude hit him with the crown of his helmet right in the back of Arch’s head. That’s exactly when he drops the ball, just lets go it looks like. Then he stumbled to get up which seemed weird. Then they showed his face and it definitely looked like he was dazed, which I thought was weird as the tackle seemed routine. Then they showed the replay and helmet to helmet. 

I was pretty certain that he banged the ball off his right knee as he was going down, knocking it loose.  Thankfully, his left knee was down at that moment.

That's a weird helmet-to-helmet in that the defender accomplishes it with his neck while making main contact with his shoulder.  Can a neck movement be considered launching?

Edited by TwiceHorn

That’s not the crown making first contact 

Accurate deep balls. Mobility. RPOs. Sark has no excuse for this offense to look like it’s driving through mud next year. 




This true? Was at the game so didn’t notice

He took a heck of a shot to the head. I wouldn’t be surprised. But I don’t think he saw a trainer or went to the tent.
4 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

Wtf that wasn’t targeting in the slightest 

Yes it was. It used to be called spearing.

9 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Yes it was. It used to be called spearing.

Looks to me like first contact is right above the label. Crown imo is closer to 2nd set of vents

 

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Some examples of targeting include: 

Launching into an opponent with a hit to the head or neck - check

Using the top of the helmet to strike an opponent - check

Forcibly hitting a defenseless player in the head or neck area - check

Crouching before making a tackle to create maximum force 

Leading with the helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand, or elbow to attack - check

Lowering the head before making a tackle and making forcible contact with the crown of the helmet -check

There’s another view from the left of this one (maybe sky cam?) where you can see just how much his head gets rocked by the defenders helmet, does anyone have that?

12 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Looks to me like first contact is right above the label. Crown imo is closer to 2nd set of vents

 

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The crown of a football helmet is the top part of the helmet, from the area above the facemask to the dome.

His facemask is pointing to the ground man.

6 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

The crown of a football helmet is the top part of the helmet, from the area above the facemask to the dome.

His facemask is pointing to the ground man.

If you are going to call targeting for any forcible contact above the face mask you are going to have to call it on every play. I can’t recall spearing being called for a play like this one back when I covered HS and college games

6 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

If you are going to call targeting for any forcible contact above the face mask you are going to have to call it on every play. I can’t recall spearing being called for a play like this one back when I covered HS and college games

He leads with the stop of the helmet. He launches. Then he follows through with a forearm.

It doesn’t make a shit, but it should have been targeting. The picture you posted is clearly leading with the crown. 

@hobbes2702 you are correct about the rule
 

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From NFL.com

 

This image is from a short video that illustrates very well the biomechanics of leading w the helmet and the risks of concussions to the player being tackled. Striking with the red area is what would have traditionally be flagged for spearing. The yellow area should be a foul but from what I’ve seen is rarely called in games. Should have been at least reviewed IMO. 

32 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

If you are going to call targeting for any forcible contact above the face mask you are going to have to call it on every play. I can’t recall spearing being called for a play like this one back when I covered HS and college games

Judkins used his helmet as a weapon to de-cleat Gilbeau on a Henderson run.  Not a runner/tackler situation, obviously, but it was nasty.  They played physical.

https://x.com/TheTexasHomer/status/1877888047682904452

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The refs all playoffs tried really hard not to call targeting. Or if it was, it was overturned.

1 hour ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

 

Looks like a hard hit, but I'm not seeing targeting.

Is he leading with the crown of his helmet?

Did he hit the head and neck area?

Is it intentional? 

 
Looks like a hard hit, but I'm not seeing targeting.

Wrong - slow mo, which the TV ref had time during the review for possible fumble, should’ve buzzed in and said we had targeting on #8, plus no fumble. IMO.

Hook’em!!!

Ewers did a lot of good things here and was generally fine last night, buuuuuut.....

The offense is about to get a lot more dynamic. No more scoring 14-17 points against good defenses.

36 minutes ago, nineliveslost said:

Is he leading with the crown of his helmet?

Did he hit the head and neck area?

Is it intentional? 

yes yes and yes. and his arms kind of go Frankenstein like a knocked out person

25 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Ewers did a lot of good things here and was generally fine last night, buuuuuut.....

The offense is about to get a lot more dynamic. No more scoring 14-17 points against good defenses.

Or bad defenses

2 hours ago, jet black said:

I thought he was concussed and said it in the game thread as well. Dude hit him with the crown of his helmet right in the back of Arch’s head. That’s exactly when he drops the ball, just lets go it looks like. Then he stumbled to get up which seemed weird. Then they showed his face and it definitely looked like he was dazed, which I thought was weird as the tackle seemed routine. Then they showed the replay and helmet to helmet. 

All of this!

9 hours ago, Nueces River Rat said:

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It’s a good message but just making sure we all realize this is just a fan page not actually Arch.

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Just now, TexEx15 said:

It’s a good message but just making sure we all realize this is just a fan page not not actually Arch.

ha i was just thinking that was a very PR team statement..

Just now, TexEx15 said:

It’s a good message but just making sure we all realize this is just a fan page not not actually Arch.

Yea I saw that way after the fact (this morning) …. Thanks for posting the clarification 

No offense to OP, but if this is gonna be the catch all Manning thread for the next 2-3 years, can we change the title from "Arch Manning Being Arch"?  We can do better. 

 

 

4 hours ago, jet black said:

I thought he was concussed and said it in the game thread as well. Dude hit him with the crown of his helmet right in the back of Arch’s head. That’s exactly when he drops the ball, just lets go it looks like. Then he stumbled to get up which seemed weird. Then they showed his face and it definitely looked like he was dazed, which I thought was weird as the tackle seemed routine. Then they showed the replay and helmet to helmet. 

when Jalen Hurts got concussed  a couple weeks ago and the camera zoomed in  he and Arch had the exact concussed look in their eyes.

2 hours ago, nineliveslost said:

Is he leading with the crown of his helmet?

Did he hit the head and neck area?

Is it intentional? 

not as intentional as that dick head olineman after a play was dead, that was just fucking dirty and tried to hurt someone.

4 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

 

Looks like a hard hit, but I'm not seeing targeting.

If we had put that hit on an opposing QB, all the media would be talking about is the missed targeting call.

Hopefully a reporter asks about this in the next PC and we get some clarification if Arch was knocked out of game or not. 

 

 

10 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

I'm just ready for a change. 

Let's go see.

I’ve been a Quinn “defender” to a degree though I think I’m quite nuanced about it like just about everything in my life but I’ll say this, I’m ready too.

i don’t think he solves all our problems that sark presents but I do think he’s a better fit for sark and I think once the game really slows down he’s going to rake it. 
 

I don’t expect to win it all next year but I do think arch will take us home. And I hope from there we stay at the mountain top. 

32 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

 We can do better. 

 

 

We can’t and won’t do better. This is Surly. We do the absolute minimum and think it is great. You’re hashing my buzz. 

10 hours ago, closetohumping said:

Classy tweet. I hope the Quinn fanboys will give him some levity 

I hope we can support both guys as our QB and quit playing the either/or game. Thats a shitty way to treat our players. 

4 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

 

Looks like a hard hit, but I'm not seeing targeting.

 

his knee was down 

4 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Looks like a hard hit, but I'm not seeing targeting.

John@iam_johnw is a homer twatwaffle and a dumbfuck. No way is that a fumble. You've got to ignore contact by Arch's left wrist, forearm and his left knee well before the ball comes loose due to contact with his right knee and the ground (2nd screenshot below).

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Ball just starts to move loose here due to contact with his right knee and the ground. Really difficult to discern if the ball movement due to his knee contact precedes contact with the ground, but it doesn't matter at this point, since he is ruled down by the above screenshot well before this occurs.

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10 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

I hope we can support both guys as our QB and quit playing the either/or game. Thats a shitty way to treat our players. 

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Arch will be a Heisman finalist in NY and the offense will score over 20 points in regulation in way more than 2 of their final 7 games next season. Book it now. 

Hopefully a reporter asks about this in the next PC and we get some clarification if Arch was knocked out of game or not. 
 
 

What difference does it make? Especially now? Sark was afraid to use Manning for shit, throughout the whole season. He probably wouldn’t use him regardless. Not like he passed on plenty of chances earlier in the year. He wasn’t “saving” anything for the next game or any opponent.
1 minute ago, Jkwellborn said:


What difference does it make? Especially now? Sark was afraid to use Manning for shit, throughout the whole season. He probably wouldn’t use him regardless. Not like he passed on plenty of chances earlier in the year. He wasn’t “saving” anything for the next game or any opponent.

It's just nice to have clarity if he was knocked out of the game or not. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

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There is no reason to trash either guy. We should have learned something from Applewhite/Simms. We aren’t aggy.
 

Or I’m not. 

28 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

There is no reason to trash either guy. We should have learned something from Applewhite/Simms. We aren’t aggy.
 

Or I’m not. 

It’s a lovely idea I agree

Arch, whatever you do please do not be in the Dr Pepper commercials.

The king is dead. Long live the king.

What does the QB room look like the next 2-3 years? What is the likelihood we get multiple years from him?

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