September 22, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, irishtexan said: Yep. And I said it doesn't make sense. If you want to call Fugazi a punk band that's fine. It's all subjective. And I'm just taking the piss out of everyone and fucking around. That's why genres are stupid. It's all music. 44 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said: I really think there has to be a delineation between punk music and punk ethos to have this discussion. Are hip hop artists that started by selling tapes out of the trunk of their cars punk? I get behind all of this. I always equate it to the similar question is art dead? As a vehicle for expressing a new and original form/ideas, yes. As a vehicle expressing feelings of or rage against isolation, alienation and inadequacy, or narratives/storytelling within an evolving landscape, it's fine, just keep kicking people. Love hate these arguments, mainly because some are so dead set on a definition. Even reading about who coined the word punk involves circles of pretension--everybody in the day wants to lay claim to it. Who gives a fuck. it existed before a definition and good music is not limited to one. Edited September 22, 20232 yr by Mdhorn
September 22, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, G650 said: Plus there are all sorts of other bands, from terrible like Five Finger Death Punch to not so bad like Greta Van Fleet. Greta Van Fleet is reviving old rock to the new masses. But everything's new to them. It's gotta be difficult to be young and play and find out that every riff has been done before many, many times. Oh well, they're still fun and have to play it to get elsewhere. Anyways, originality really is largely based on ignorance--it's original by our experience because we don't know any better. Doesn't mean it didn't already exist, just that the whatever-ologists didn't know about it. Post-punk gets traced back to the 70s and is probably what most punk falls under. I'll go back to reading about peoples experiences and clapping madly because people still passionately care about it. Cheers.
September 22, 20232 yr I read this in McSweeney's yesterday and felt very seen: https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/an-open-letter-to-the-pair-of-gen-z-men-in-the-northeast-regional-quiet-car-loudly-discussing-pitchforks-100-best-albums-of-all-time AN OPEN LETTER TO THE PAIR OF GEN-Z MEN IN THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL QUIET CAR LOUDLY DISCUSSING PITCHFORK’S 100 BEST ALBUMS OF ALL TIME by ELIZABETH BASTOS Your opinions on the discography of the last fifty years interests me about as much as you think it does a middle-aged woman traveling coach to Boston with a L.L. Bean boat tote filled with crackers. I read mild. I read invisible. I read that probably all I listen to is “Ripple” by the Grateful Dead. It’s easy to assume that I don’t know who Fugazi is. It’s okay, insult me—you can barely grow beards. Here’s the thing, though: I know who Fugazi is. And you will never grow beards because of the xenoestrogens in your plastic water bottles. Don’t be fooled by my comfortable and supportive footwear, my tie-dye rainbow Crocs; I know a lot about music. So it was insufferable for me to endure you two loudly opining in the Northeast Regional quiet car on the Velvet Underground’s 1970s New York scene. On DC punk in the 1980s. On trip-hop and Aphex Twin and post-punk and De La Soul and hip-hop and the country revival and New Orleans bounce and Ye and on which bands sucked Nirvana’s teat derivatively. Oh, you went on and on. I felt like I was trapped in one of those podcasts where know-it-all bros one-up each other. But I kept my mouth shut. However, when you struggled to name the Red Hot Chili Peppers bassist, I thought, It’s Flea, you total asshats. Then, as we were pulling out of Newark, one of you shrieked, “High key, dog, why are the Pixies on this Pitchfork ‘Best Albums of All Time’ list? They’re ass. Dog, they’re 100 percent derivative of Nirvana.” All my Gen-X senses started to tingle. You belittle the Pixies? You diss Black Francis? On the way to Massachusetts? On my gal, the bassist Kim Deal, you didn’t have a crush at Smith College in 1992? Were you not even born? I leaned over my Amtrak headrest and hissed, “Boyx, that’s cap. You’ve been talking out of your asses since Union Station.” I continued, “In ‘Five Classic Albums That Wouldn’t Exist Without Pixies’ Surfer Rosa,’ Jochan Embley wrote, ‘Grunge owes so much to Nirvana, but Nirvana owe a great deal to Pixies.’ Kurt Cobain publicly said he was trying to rip off a Pixies song when he wrote ‘Smells Like Teen Spirit.’ Nirvana was trying to sound like Pixies, you morons—Death to the Pixies.” I went on: “Disc one of Death to the Pixies is the random-button scrambling of the Pixies’ studio discs; disc two is a convincing live show that repeats a few of the songs and still doesn’t make you feel that you’ve heard too much. There are, of course, plenty of arguments to be made for the band’s original sequencing, but since the Pixies are as adept at pop hooks as they are at punk screech, the set works to freshen songs you know well — an effective reintroduction to a group that perhaps sounds even greater now than it did when making an LP a year in the late ’80s and early ’90s. Gigantic indeed.” You looked at me. My hair askew. My eyes blazing behind my +1.25 rainbow readers that, yep, match my Crocs. My seltzer sloshing in my hand. I hoped you were thinking, Holy shit, dog. We’re meeting a real-life strega for the Pixies. Stregas for the Pixies are the rarest, most righteous, ass-kicking, music-knowing mothefuckering fairies from planet ’90s. Josh, I wonder how she’s going to bless us? I don’t know, Jeraboam, but I am sure she will… somehow. Instead, you said, “Jesus Christ, lady. All right already.” You turned away from me. I heard you mutter, “Damn, dog, that’s one furious grandma.” You put on large puffy headphones and were silent all the way to Providence. There, you disembarked. I’m sorry. If you had been nice — if you had been like, “Wow, strega, you know things! We judged you incorrectly as boringly into ‘Ripple’ like every other oldster, but we were wrong, you’re an arrogant, loud, obnoxious music knower—you’re one of us,” I would have shared my water crackers with you and intricately detailed the post-Pixies solo careers of Frank Black and twin sisters Kim and Kelley Deal. After you left, a nice lady about my age boarded and asked if your seats were taken. I said, “Only if you have a favorite Pixies song and can defend your reasoning at a volume appropriate to the Amtrak quiet car.” She pulled her readers off the top of her head where they were nestled in the gray bun of her hair and let them hang around her neck on their rainbow-beaded lanyard. She sized me up and said, “‘Gigantic.’” See, sirs, it’s not so hard to get along with me. If you do land a podcast—and I sincerely hope you do, because I’m not sure you are good for anything else and I actually, grudgingly, liked your take on Iron Maiden—please consider me. I bring something unexpected to your podcast: the entire audience of Gen-X women in menopause. Here’s to Blood on the Tracks, boys, the best Dylan album, and don’t argue with me. — Liz
September 23, 20232 yr I like the punk origins of Beastie Boys and Slightly Stoopid. From album Polly Wog Stew From album Slightly $toopid
September 25, 20232 yr I skipped to the end of this thread so I might be completely off topic but here are a couple of contemporary punk bands that I've seen that I think are fucking awesome. Wine Lips from Toronto Sgt. Papers - Mexican psych punk band
September 25, 20232 yr Digging those Wine Lips and Sgt. Papers tunes. Wine Lips came through Norman and Austin but skipped Dallas in april. I was kinda bummed about that. I’m going to Off With Their Heads on Fri in deep ellum.
September 25, 20232 yr On 9/22/2023 at 9:58 AM, Patricio Swayze said: I really think there has to be a delineation between punk music and punk ethos to have this discussion. Are hip hop artists that started by selling tapes out of the trunk of their cars punk? yep. A band like Beat Happening/Calvin Johnston is as punk as it comes in my book - no spiky, green hair or distorted guitar, but all ethos. Same way i think Daniel Johnson was punk as fuck, slipping cassettes of his music in the burger bags he served while working at McDonalds in Dobie Mall. Edited September 25, 20232 yr by yoladu
September 25, 20232 yr On 9/21/2023 at 9:18 PM, jimmyjazz said: Coincidentally, I'm about 1/3 through the Sex Pistols "Classic Albums" doc. It's pretty entertaining. JJ, please clue me in on this, thanks. Edited September 25, 20232 yr by yoladu
September 25, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, yoladu said: JJ, please clue me on this, thanks. On AXS TV. It's part of my cable package (DirecTV). Probably available everywhere, but at a cost. Tons of music docs.
September 25, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: I always thought this was early punk: I think that's the one Who song I like.
September 25, 20232 yr 25 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said: I think that's the one Who song I like. I think I also like another one, but I can't remember what it is. Oh, and the great irony is that I actually like "Eminence Front", which is about as un-Who as it gets.
September 25, 20232 yr 54 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: I think I also like another one, but I can't remember what it is. Oh, and the great irony is that I actually like "Eminence Front", which is about as un-Who as it gets. it's a put on.
September 25, 20232 yr Jesus. The Who had so many bangers I can't count. An Eminence Front is an amazing song that captured that time precisely
September 26, 20232 yr Taking a piss at the Blue Flamingo, og bathroom, a chick waks in, hikes up her dress and pulls out a crank bigger than your arm. Best punk bar, ever. Better than Rauls. RIP Austin.
September 26, 20232 yr Taking a piss at the Blue Flamingo, og bathroom, a chick waks in, hikes up her dress and pulls out a crank bigger than your arm. Best punk bar, ever. Better than Rauls. RIP Austin.One of my really terrible bands played there. The carpet was wet and every time our bassist would go to sing/scream in the mic he would get a hefty shock. Drug dealers outside, punks and trans folks inside. Loved that version of Austin.
September 26, 20232 yr Also, house parties, as rent was nothing. RIP Chumps, tied with the Motards as the best punk shit, ever:
September 26, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, Patricio Swayze said: The carpet was wet and every time our bassist would go to sing/scream in the mic he would get a hefty shock. That reminds me of this old warehouse we used to practice at. We had some sort of loop or short or something, and the mic would shock the fuck out of you. We like covered it with a sock or something lol.
September 26, 20232 yr I used to get shocked at The Electric Lounge all the time. The outlets on stage were all 2-prong. Great design, guys.
September 26, 20232 yr If I understand correctly, punks are lousy electricians. I will keep this in mind for my future electrician needs.
September 27, 20232 yr Holy shit, The Motards. Knew a guy in that band. I believe he moved to San Marcos and was a teacher.
October 16, 20232 yr Speaking of dead punk, some guests performing at a Terry Hall tribute in LA last night screenshot cause we can’t embed insta - https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyZ_q88Li9q/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== https://www.stereogum.com/2239176/operation-ivy-tim-armstrong-jesse-michaels-take-warning-terry-hall/news/
October 16, 20232 yr On 9/21/2023 at 9:25 PM, Born to Run said: My Chemicle is an amazing band but not punk by any metric. It's like the opposite of punk. And they started off almost hardcore. Very annoying to watch their digression into poppy nonsense.
October 16, 20232 yr On 9/26/2023 at 7:58 AM, jimmyjazz said: I used to get shocked at The Electric Lounge all the time. The outlets on stage were all 2-prong. Great design, guys. So it wasn’t just a clever name?
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