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#1551
Just now, bolverk said:

What was the name of that show? He was such a hilarious curmudgeon.

An Idiot Abroad. It wasn't as good as the old XFM shows or the podcasts that spawned off of that, but it is really solid especially when he goes to the "alright wall of China".

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#1553
15 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Egypt can't take care of their own people and their infrastructure is shit.  They can't deal with a million refugees.

Besides the fact that most Muslim states are poor, why do some people fall into the identitarian assumption that they all unify simply on the basis of religion. Not all Christian people and states get along. 

Egypt - or whoever else - will use Palestine as long as its convenient and later dispose of them when necessary. They are their own entities in the end. 

#1554
Just now, bolverk said:

What was the name of that show? He was such a hilarious curmudgeon.

An Idiot Abroad

while not as good there is also The Moaning of Life.

#1555
1 minute ago, 52-80 said:

Besides the fact that most Muslim states are poor, why do some people fall into the identitarian assumption that they all unify simply on the basis of religion. Not all Christian people and states get along. 

Egypt - or whoever else - will use Palestine as long as its convenient and later dispose of them when necessary. They are their own entities in the end. 

yeah man, we are all aware of the Shia-Sunni divide in the Arab world. this isn't 1994.

let me fix this for you:

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Egypt - and basically everyone else in the Arab world - will use Palestine as long as its convenient and later dispose of them when necessary.

re: "poor"

OPEC members earned about $888 billion in net oil export revenue in 2022 alone. they will earn about $2.8 trillion between 21 and 24 based on their projections.

go take a look at the OPEC members in the MENA region alone.

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EU and their member states have given them billions.

US has given them billions

Qatar has given them billions.

notice who isn't showing up a ton on this list? or who gave them money specifically during the Second Intifada and have dropped off a ton since?

lol "poor countries"

they could if they wanted to or cared to, but they can't or won't and they haven't.

it is what it is but don't defend them as "poor countries" - come on.

 

#1557
37 minutes ago, troph said:

just because I think there are some holy (shit) sites in Oregon (never been to NZ), doesn't mean the religous in the mid east will agree.

Oklahoma

#1558
23 minutes ago, NoName said:

they could if they wanted to or cared to, but they can't or won't and they haven't.

it is what it is but don't defend them as "poor countries" - come on.

 

Uh, what countries did you think I suggested SHOULD give them harbor? (my point is its none).

And what countries are you suggesting should do it, and are simultaneously flush with excess wealth?

 

 

#1559
36 minutes ago, NoName said:

OPEC members earned about $888 billion in net oil export revenue in 2022 alone. they will earn about $2.8 trillion between 21 and 24 based on their projections.

go take a look at the OPEC members in the MENA region alone.

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the largest producer and exporter of oil in that list still has a lower per capita gdp than the EU but sure

#1560

They are spread across the gulf  but not large numbers. Here is a graphic from a migration advocacy group in 2022. I do not know their politics. But I can say working in the UAE, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain for 8 years I did not meet that many. My interpreter in Dubai was Palestinian, his parents were doctors, but still never given any rights for land ownership. They did not have the $ to purchase a 99 year lease like the Western. Expats, Russians, rich Indians or Chinese did. 

What is misleading is this map shows both Internally Displaced People (still within Israel's borders but not at home) and Refugees (another country). This is important since the aid given to the two categories is quite different. 

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https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/palestinian-refugees-dispossession#:~:text=Generations of Palestinian Refugees Face Protracted Displacement and Dispossession,-May 3%2C 2023&text=Seventy-five years after the,the largest stateless community worldwide.

#1562
2 hours ago, bolverk said:

I got the number of Palestinian refugees in Jordan from this dataset published by the UN, which listed 2,334,789 in 2021 and 2,365,090 in 2022, the most recent year. I rounded up to 2.4 million.

https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics/download/?url=0zZg7O

Also, it should be noted an additional 2.5 million or so Palestinians are refugees inside Gaza or the West Bank, according to the dataset listed above. If you estimate the total Palestinian population of both Gaza and the West Bank to be roughly 5.5 million, that means about 45% of all Palestinians living in either territory are refugees. That sounds like a grim situation.

Finally, the same dataset shows Lebanon hosting close to 500,000 and Syria close to 600,000.

I won't argue the wider responsibility of the Arab world, including Egypt here. Some of this conversation can get a little CR, so I'm not going to go any further.

 

and almost all of the ones in Jordan have been there since at least '73 and are multi-generational 'refugees' who have lived in Jordan their entire life. 

#1563
9 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

and almost all of the ones in Jordan have been there since at least '73 and are multi-generational 'refugees' who have lived in Jordan their entire life. 

If you're itching for a discussion on the topic of the status of refugees in this thread, you won't get one from me. We're already off-topic from the "current events" mandate given to us by Blacklab.

#1564
16 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

More pics in the tweet thread

E-2D Hawkeye attached to the “Bear Aces” of Airborne Command and Control Squadron (VAW) 124 launches from the flight deck of the USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) in the Eastern Mediterranean

 

 

 

Doesn’t the Super Hornet have like 9 pylons for missiles? What’s the significance of noting that this one is loaded with 3? Are they normally not carrying any? Or typically carrying a different load out?

#1565

Hamas jumping up the rhetoric with this new hospital strike where they're claiming hundreds are dead. They say it's time for the Muslim world to join and help them. Israel says the IDF is looking into it. 

#1567
2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

If you're itching for a discussion on the topic of the status of refugees in this thread, you won't get one from me. We're already off-topic from the "current events" mandate given to us by Blacklab.

Not itching for anything.  Was just adding additional context to the data presented.  

#1568
Just now, Trey3216 said:

Not itching for anything.  Was just adding additional context to the data presented.  

Which is fine. Seriously. There's other additional context to the refugee topic, but this isn't the appropriate place. I'm more than happy to provide that, congenially, elsewhere. Let's keep this thread focused on what's going on now in the conflict itself, as requested by mods.  

#1569
9 minutes ago, bolverk said:

If you're itching for a discussion on the topic of the status of refugees in this thread, you won't get one from me. We're already off-topic from the "current events" mandate given to us by Blacklab.

 

 

I think the "mandate" is more like a guideline than an actual rule.

#1570

no clue whats happening here but already a ton of misinformation and videos out there on it. ive seen videos purporting to show a failed Hamas rocket launch and a video saying it is an Israeli airstrike and showing it.

We’ve reached out to the Israeli military for comment. Will update.

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The Gaza Health Ministry says an Israeli airstrike has killed at least 500 people at Al Ahli Hospital in Gaza City: https://t.co/8U8TVENWpF

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Still waiting for confirmed details about what happened at Gaza hospital: images from inside hospital, accurate info on death toll etc. Lots of dramatic reports but not much hard evidence so far. https://t.co/a4JlYGlFmf
#BREAKING: Reports suggest that the mass casualty event at the Baptist Hospital in Gaza City was the result of a misfired rocket launch by Hamas.No IDF air activity was reported at the time and the timing coincided with a salvo of rockets launched at Israel. Reminder: 30-40%…

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This tracks because the reports of the hospital explosion happened around the same time I saw, from the outskirts of Sderot, multiple rockets being fired at Israel. Hopefully we’ll get a clearer answer soon. https://t.co/knMUzmKax5

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IDF spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari says reports of the airstrike against a hospital in Gaza are still under review.https://t.co/6cy4SVq2YU— Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian)

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If the figures are confirmed, the expectation is Hezbollah will ignite the north and the tit for tat will cease and escalate. https://t.co/mS4npbj11H

edit: already being weaponized no matter what.

Widespread calls on social media for Palestinians to mobilize throughout the west bank following the deadly hospital strike in Gaza.

edit2: of course a politician already jumped on it. wrong time and direction. at this point not seeing ANYONE clearly say what did/didn't happen and a lot of questions out there about it like an hour+ after it happened is wild

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the hamas "failed rocket" video i saw was this one which is old/recycled:

You’ll be seeing this video doing the rounds, it’s old. Check the dates. There is another I’m trying to find from a stream that’s in question. https://t.co/iydBdkG0L0

politicians gonna be politicians

NEW -- Mahmoud Abbas has just withdrawn from his scheduled meeting with @POTUS @JoeBiden tomorrow, in the wake of tonight's mass casualty incident in #Gaza.Per @AJEnglish

another update:

Also can’t independently confirm the number of dead/injured. Reports indicate hundreds killed. Trying to confirm details. This will take time.

 

 

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#1571
12 minutes ago, NoName said:

no clue whats happening here but already a ton of misinformation and videos out there on it. ive seen videos purporting to show a failed Hamas rocket launch and a video saying it is an Israeli airstrike and showing it.

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#1575

Aaron Boxerman
Oct. 17, 2023, 2:49 p.m. ET6 minutes ago
6 minutes ago
Aaron BoxermanReporting from Jerusalem

The Israel Defense Forces said in a statement that hospitals were not Israeli military targets. “The I.D.F. is investigating the source of the explosion and, like always, is prioritizing accuracy and reliability,” the Israeli military said in a statement. “We urge everyone to proceed with caution.”

 

#1576
15 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Apologies if this has already been posted but Scoop: White House has discussed U.S. military response if Hezbollah attacks Israel.

Quick temp check: who here thinks that the US joining a war in the middle east is a good idea?

I watched this interview with Zeihan last night, and he's pretty adamant in his belief that the US is going to try to stay out of it (unless it's to rescue US hostages).

 

@DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt Start at 14:20 for that part of the discussion.

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#1577
1 hour ago, NoName said:

no clue whats happening here but already a ton of misinformation and videos out there on it. ive seen videos purporting to show a failed Hamas rocket launch and a video saying it is an Israeli airstrike and showing it.

We’ve reached out to the Israeli military for comment. Will update.

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The Gaza Health Ministry says an Israeli airstrike has killed at least 500 people at Al Ahli Hospital in Gaza City: https://t.co/8U8TVENWpF

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Still waiting for confirmed details about what happened at Gaza hospital: images from inside hospital, accurate info on death toll etc. Lots of dramatic reports but not much hard evidence so far. https://t.co/a4JlYGlFmf
#BREAKING: Reports suggest that the mass casualty event at the Baptist Hospital in Gaza City was the result of a misfired rocket launch by Hamas.No IDF air activity was reported at the time and the timing coincided with a salvo of rockets launched at Israel. Reminder: 30-40%…

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This tracks because the reports of the hospital explosion happened around the same time I saw, from the outskirts of Sderot, multiple rockets being fired at Israel. Hopefully we’ll get a clearer answer soon. https://t.co/knMUzmKax5

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IDF spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari says reports of the airstrike against a hospital in Gaza are still under review.https://t.co/6cy4SVq2YU— Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian)

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If the figures are confirmed, the expectation is Hezbollah will ignite the north and the tit for tat will cease and escalate. https://t.co/mS4npbj11H

edit: already being weaponized no matter what.

Widespread calls on social media for Palestinians to mobilize throughout the west bank following the deadly hospital strike in Gaza.

edit2: of course a politician already jumped on it. wrong time and direction. at this point not seeing ANYONE clearly say what did/didn't happen and a lot of questions out there about it like an hour+ after it happened is wild

image.png.aa4d9f46a7c3599c6e5de89a69b02a3e.png

the hamas "failed rocket" video i saw was this one which is old/recycled:

You’ll be seeing this video doing the rounds, it’s old. Check the dates. There is another I’m trying to find from a stream that’s in question. https://t.co/iydBdkG0L0

politicians gonna be politicians

NEW -- Mahmoud Abbas has just withdrawn from his scheduled meeting with @POTUS @JoeBiden tomorrow, in the wake of tonight's mass casualty incident in #Gaza.Per @AJEnglish

another update:

Also can’t independently confirm the number of dead/injured. Reports indicate hundreds killed. Trying to confirm details. This will take time.

 

 

 

more updates

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expanding into Jordan now:

Reports that protesters are trying to break into the Israeli embassy in Amman, Jordan.

 

Teargas deployed around Israel Embassy in Amman, Jordan.

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There are videos being circulated claiming to show errant rockets -- all are old.Except this @AJArabic footage from the time of the al-Ahli hospital incident. It appears to show an errant rocket & an interception. Can't be sure which strikes the ground.https://t.co/U6RT9Ll5PR
The Arab Spring’s chant in Ramallah now. Palestinians protest against Mahmoud Abbas, chanting “the people want to bring down the president/regime.” https://t.co/olOMCjXU5C

 

 

The Arab Spring’s chant in Ramallah now. Palestinians protest against Mahmoud Abbas, chanting “the people want to bring down the president/regime.” https://t.co/olOMCjXU5C

 

MORE misinformation around this attack:

 

 

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#1578
Hezbollah has announced the Death of 4 of their Terrorists as a result of Clashes with the IDF along the Border with Lebanon throughout today.

^The guys JDAM'd by the border fence?

 

#1579
20 minutes ago, NoName said:

 

MORE misinformation around this attack:

 

 

well...

 

IDF says that based on "intelligence information, a failed Islamic Jihad rocket caused the deadly blast at the Gaza hospital.— Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian)
IDF have issued a statement that through their analysis that a PIJ Saraya Al-Quds Rocket caused the blast at the hospital
BREAKING: Israel says that the explosion at Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in Gaza was caused by a rocket fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad
For those in the comments PIJ Saraya Al-Quds is not Hamas Al-Qassam, if you are going to start keyboard warrioring about your vast knowledge of munitions and the current escalation, at least do your research on the basics of factions within Gaza.

 

it's too late though:

Anti-Israel protests reported from Tunisia, Turkey, Jordan and multiple cities in the West Bank tonight

 

earlier Israel sent out a recommendation for all of their citizens to leave Turkey.

additional info:

💥#Breaking: IDF says a failed Palestinan Islamic Jihad rocket launch caused the explosion at the Baptist Hospital in Gaza

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The IDF’s Arabic spokesman is officially placing blab on the hospital bombing on an errant fire by Palestinian Islamic Jihad forces https://t.co/mEp21b865A

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Breaking: IDF Spokesperson From the analysis of the operational systems of the IDF, an enemy rocket barrage was carried out towards Israel, which passed through the vicinity of the hospital when it was hit. According to intelligence information, from several sources we have,…

well, shit.

Leader of Hamas Ismail Haniyeh calls on all Palestinian people to "get out and confront the occupation and the settlers". He also calls on all Arabs and Muslims to stage protests against Israel

 

Edited by NoName

#1580
8 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:
Hezbollah has announced the Death of 4 of their Terrorists as a result of Clashes with the IDF along the Border with Lebanon throughout today.

^The guys JDAM'd by the border fence?

 

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#1581

For those wanting to avoid Twitter bullshit, I'm finding the Live Update page from Haaretz to be helpful. Their updates are coming in fast and furious. I'm not posting the link because the URL changes periodically with major news. 

Go to the Haaretz homepage: https://www.haaretz.com/ and click the below. Refresh as needed. No paywall.

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#1583

Just got a "Breaking News" email from the NYT that Israel bombed the hospital. Nice job confirming the story before you rush it out there fucksticks. 

#1584
9 minutes ago, bolverk said:

For those wanting to avoid Twitter bullshit, I'm finding the Live Update page from Haaretz to be helpful. Their updates are coming in fast and furious. I'm not posting the link because the URL changes periodically with major news. 

Go to the Haaretz homepage: https://www.haaretz.com/ and click the below. Refresh as needed. No paywall.

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WTF is going on in that photo?

#1586
1 hour ago, bolverk said:

I watched this interview with Zeihan last night, and he's pretty adamant in his belief that the US is going to try to stay out of it (unless it's to rescue US hostages).

 

@DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt Start at 14:20 for that part of the discussion.

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#1587
2 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

WTF is going on in that photo?

Caption reads: "The funeral of members of the Zohar family, who were murdered in the Kibbutz Nahal Oz.

#1588
14 minutes ago, bolverk said:

For those wanting to avoid Twitter bullshit, I'm finding the Live Update page from Haaretz to be helpful. Their updates are coming in fast and furious. I'm not posting the link because the URL changes periodically with major news. 

Go to the Haaretz homepage: https://www.haaretz.com/ and click the below. Refresh as needed. No paywall.

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im happy to spoiler my tweet links if folks prefer. no issue from my end!

#1589
38 minutes ago, NoName said:

 

There are videos being circulated claiming to show errant rockets -- all are old.Except this @AJArabic footage from the time of the al-Ahli hospital incident. It appears to show an errant rocket & an interception. Can't be sure which strikes the ground.https://t.co/U6RT9Ll5PR

 

It's not an interception if it strikes the ground.

 

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#1590
1 minute ago, bolverk said:

Caption reads: "The funeral of members of the Zohar family, who were murdered in the Kibbutz Nahal Oz.

Looks like bodies being dropped into a vertical grave.  That people are inside of.

#1591
2 minutes ago, NoName said:

im happy to spoiler my tweet links if folks prefer. no issue from my end!

No worries. Just trying to identify alternative sources for those worried about bad Twitter accounts.

 

1 minute ago, Don Johnson said:

Looks like bodies being dropped into a vertical grave.  That people are inside of.

Seems to be the case.

#1592
Quote

 

Reuters

11:12 PM

Islamic Jihad spokesman denies Israeli allegations that it was responsible for Gaza hospital strike

 

True or not, this is going to get some mileage. Lebanon is cancelling school tomorrow too to prepare for the protests.

#1593

Al Jazeera Live Update page links to this Twitter account from a WaPo journalist. Sorry for the editorializing from the first tweet. Focus on the second.

Video of the moment of the blast at Al Ahli Hospital, geolocated by The Post, captures a whirring through the air and then a blast, followed by orange flames: https://t.co/9C6AYwyP02

 

#1594
6 minutes ago, Harrison Stafford said:

Before deciding on the final solution, Hitler considered transplanting the Jews to Madagascar.  

True story wife proposed honeymooning there until she discovered they had an active national outbreak of the plague. Like actual, literal bulbonic plague. 
 

So we went to Zanzibar instead and she caught montezumas revenge anyway lulz. 

#1595
10 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Just got a "Breaking News" email from the NYT that Israel bombed the hospital. Nice job confirming the story before you rush it out there fucksticks. 

It explicitly says "Palestinian officials say" in the subject line.

#1596
11 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Just got a "Breaking News" email from the NYT that Israel bombed the hospital. Nice job confirming the story before you rush it out there fucksticks. 

“In war, truth is the first casualty.” The mass media rushing atrocity stories to print is unsurprising to say the least. Best to take a breath and wait for further investigation to clear things up. But that’s not how human beings work, for the most part.

#1598
33 minutes ago, NoName said:

well...

 

IDF says that based on "intelligence information, a failed Islamic Jihad rocket caused the deadly blast at the Gaza hospital.— Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian)
IDF have issued a statement that through their analysis that a PIJ Saraya Al-Quds Rocket caused the blast at the hospital
BREAKING: Israel says that the explosion at Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in Gaza was caused by a rocket fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad
For those in the comments PIJ Saraya Al-Quds is not Hamas Al-Qassam, if you are going to start keyboard warrioring about your vast knowledge of munitions and the current escalation, at least do your research on the basics of factions within Gaza.

 

it's too late though:

Anti-Israel protests reported from Tunisia, Turkey, Jordan and multiple cities in the West Bank tonight

 

earlier Israel sent out a recommendation for all of their citizens to leave Turkey.

additional info:

💥#Breaking: IDF says a failed Palestinan Islamic Jihad rocket launch caused the explosion at the Baptist Hospital in Gaza

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The IDF’s Arabic spokesman is officially placing blab on the hospital bombing on an errant fire by Palestinian Islamic Jihad forces https://t.co/mEp21b865A

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Breaking: IDF Spokesperson From the analysis of the operational systems of the IDF, an enemy rocket barrage was carried out towards Israel, which passed through the vicinity of the hospital when it was hit. According to intelligence information, from several sources we have,…

well, shit.

Leader of Hamas Ismail Haniyeh calls on all Palestinian people to "get out and confront the occupation and the settlers". He also calls on all Arabs and Muslims to stage protests against Israel

 

Per @Reuters, Palestinian Islamic Jihad is denying the Israeli accusationEarlier, in an English language statement on its Telegram channel, Hamas blamed Israel for the attack, calling it "a crime of genocide"

 

i was going to post a video that they say is the failed launch but man idk if i trust the account so not going to post it until more reliable/trustworthy people do.

#1599
1 minute ago, 52-80 said:

True story wife proposed honeymooning there until she discovered they had an active national outbreak of the plague. Like actual, literal bulbonic plague. 
 

So we went to Zanzibar instead and she caught montezumas revenge anyway lulz. 

I want to party with ya'll

#1600
1 minute ago, bolverk said:

Al Jazeera Live Update page links to this Twitter account from a WaPo journalist. Sorry for the editorializing from the first tweet. Focus on the second.

Video of the moment of the blast at Al Ahli Hospital, geolocated by The Post, captures a whirring through the air and then a blast, followed by orange flames: https://t.co/9C6AYwyP02

 

 

Seems we got some ordinance experts here.  Does that look like a prime-grade munition explosion or one of improvised rockets used by the various Palestinian groups? I have no fucking idea how to assess that, but it looks like a big fucking boom. 

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