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    My friend from Nazareth (works as a tour guide and I hang out with her and her family every time I'm there)... digital silence.  Can't get her by phone.  Hasn't posted anything on FB or Insta since Th

  • I love watching liberals lose their shit when shit that is better for the world happens.

  • I'm continually amazed at the ability of Americans to pick a side in this ongoing fiasco. I know people who are very pro-Israel and others who are very pro-Palestine. All I see is two bad gu

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#2553

This guy is definitely worth a follow and checking on every day as he debunks viral images and videos from both sides

Thread: Israel-Hamas war misinformation - Day 41This video claims to show "Israeli forces shooting inside" Gaza's Al-Shifa hospital.The video was filmed during the 2013 Rabaa massacre, showing Egyptian security forces attack pro-Morsi protesters inside a hospital.

 

This viral video claims to show three Israeli girls beat up 10 Arab boys in an underpass after being inappropriately touched by them. It's in fact a promotional video posted on Instagram by Campus Univers Cascades, a company based in France that trains stunt performers.

 

 

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#2554

Noa Marciano was a IDF soldier taken by Hamas, shown alive a few days later. Now, she is dead, Hamas claiming IDF bombing killed her. 
 
I’m skeptical of that. I don’t think Hamas has given a real accounting of hostages, and considering the slapdick way they were nabbed, some are probably in really volatile situations. There really doesn’t seem to be anything to keep them from being abused and killed. 

#2555

If you don’t want the hostages you take to be accidentally killed by Israeli bombs, don’t take hostages.

If you don’t want your hospital to be accused of being used as a Hamas command center, don’t store weapons in your hospital.

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#2556
17 minutes ago, Parliament said:

If you don’t want the hostages you take to be accidentally killed by Israeli bombs, don’t take hostages.

If you don’t want your hospital to be accused of being used as a Hamas command center, don’t store weapons in your hospital.

That's what I hate.  You got guys holed up in religious sites, hospitals, and other sensitive sites.  They shoot at you.  You level the building with a rocket and then everyone gets pissed at you.  During WW2, we leveled churches without hesitation if there was a sniper holed up in there.  Now you take RPGs from a mosque and you tried to shoot at it, you would be facing courts martial. 

#2557
21 minutes ago, Parliament said:

If you don’t want the hostages you take to be accidentally killed by Israeli bombs, don’t take hostages.

If you don’t want your hospital to be accused of being used as a Hamas command center, don’t store weapons in your hospital.

And if you want a ceasefire after you started a war, you need to surrender unconditionally.  See Japan and Germany in 1945.

#2558
7 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

And if you want a ceasefire after you started a war, you need to surrender unconditionally.  See Japan and Germany in 1945.

Quote I heard on PBS (I think). "We had a cease fire with Hamas until Oct. 7th. Now we don't"

#2560

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-16-23/h_147460596932dbea9fad7df8c1c9bde1

 

IDF claims it found a tunnel shaft inside Al-Shifa Hospital complex and releases photo and video
From CNN's Andrew Carey

Israel claims it found an “operational tunnel shaft” inside the Al-Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza City.

“Today, Hamas's tunneling infrastructure was exposed inside the hospital,” the Israeli military said in a statement, which also included a photo and video.
Israeli special forces raided the hospital — Gaza’s largest — in the early hours of Wednesday after saying for weeks it was the site of an underground command and control center for Hamas. Doctors and health officials in the Hamas-run enclave have consistently denied the accusation.

#2561
20 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

well you cannot fight without rations. Dates, some pita, a bit of hummus, some dried goat meat are what I want. Fuck MRE's, you don't shit after eating them, which is why sergeants are such mean SOB's. Well so I was told. 

And some nice jasmine tea. 

I know this is a strange question to ask, but isn't that a good thing? Considering that dysentery was such a big killer of troops for most of history, wouldn't you want to shit less when in the field vs. risk taking in something where you are introduced to new germs your body doesn't know how to deal with?

 

#2562
4 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-16-23/h_147460596932dbea9fad7df8c1c9bde1

 

IDF claims it found a tunnel shaft inside Al-Shifa Hospital complex and releases photo and video
From CNN's Andrew Carey

Israel claims it found an “operational tunnel shaft” inside the Al-Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza City.

“Today, Hamas's tunneling infrastructure was exposed inside the hospital,” the Israeli military said in a statement, which also included a photo and video.
Israeli special forces raided the hospital — Gaza’s largest — in the early hours of Wednesday after saying for weeks it was the site of an underground command and control center for Hamas. Doctors and health officials in the Hamas-run enclave have consistently denied the accusation.

NEW: Israeli forces release a video showing part of a tunnel on the grounds of Gaza’s Al-Shifa hospital complex

 

#2563
17 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I know this is a strange question to ask, but isn't that a good thing? Considering that dysentery was such a big killer of troops for most of history, wouldn't you want to shit less when in the field vs. risk taking in something where you are introduced to new germs your body doesn't know how to deal with?

 

Yep, but still can make you pissed off when you don't crap for a few days and still have to keep eating. 

#2564
Yemen fired off another drone either towards Israel or towards a US Navy destroyer (which may have been in the way) and it was intercepted over the Red Sea.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/politics/us-warship-shoots-down-drone/index.html
 

Tell the Saudis to level Yemen or we’ll leave them for the Iranians to deal with as we extract every piece of military from SA. Fuckers.
#2565
33 minutes ago, Texzilla58 said:


Tell the Saudis to level Yemen or we’ll leave them for the Iranians to deal with as we extract every piece of military from SA. Fuckers.

I'm pretty sure that leveling Yemen would probably be a war crime.

#2566

Found in a truck in the hospital complex not the tunnels from what the replies say

A Significant Stockpile of Weapons and Munitions were Discovered in Tunnels beneath the Al-Shifa Medical Complex today, following a Large-Scale Excavation in the Courtyard of the Hospital which began last night; these Excavations will continue within the Complex as additional…

 

 

#2567
10 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

I'm pretty sure that leveling Yemen would probably be a war crime.

He who has the gold oil makes the rules.

#2568
2 minutes ago, Nivek said:

He who has the gold oil makes the rules.

Except the saudis have been hammering Yemen for years and not much has changed. 

#2569
2 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

I'm pretty sure that leveling Yemen would probably be a war crime.

Not only that, but it's not the internationally recognized Yemeni government which is supported by the US and our allies, firing off these missiles; it's the Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in the northwestern part of the country doing it. But, yeah, let's level the whole country and let God sort out Yemem's 34 million souls.

#2570
17 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Except the saudis have been hammering Yemen for years and not much has changed. 

Exactly.  Zero fucks about the humanitarian crisis there.  Because oil. 

#2573
2 hours ago, Viper said:

Found in a truck in the hospital complex not the tunnels from what the replies say

A Significant Stockpile of Weapons and Munitions were Discovered in Tunnels beneath the Al-Shifa Medical Complex today, following a Large-Scale Excavation in the Courtyard of the Hospital which began last night; these Excavations will continue within the Complex as additional…

 

 

 

What did they find down the tunnel shaft?

#2574

What's interesting in these polls is that the west bank seems to be more extreme than Gaza. I wonder if it has to do with Gaza residents being in the Finding Out stage right now and being more familiar with Hamas and how they treat them. 

Interesting findings from a poll of Palestinian opinion. https://t.co/SFg8iZ0niK

 

From the river to the sea

 

 

#2576
6 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Except the saudis have been hammering Yemen for years and not much has changed. 

 

6 hours ago, Nivek said:

Exactly.  Zero fucks about the humanitarian crisis there.  Because not the Jews

FIFY

#2579
8 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Why did you quote me with your hot take? 

Only to provide the Saudi/Yemeni context. 
 

My comment is not directed at or commentary regarding Nivik or you. 

#2580

Can anyone explain “liquid explosives” to me? Can they somehow pump an explosive down into tunnels and destroy them from the inside? I guess turning an explosive into liquid doesn’t surprise me but the containment of that liquid and ability to “target it” intrigues me with how it’s done. 

#2581

 

Also worth noting when given a choice between a shared state where both people co-exist, two states, or a Palestinian state from the river to the sea, 77.7% choose the last option.

 

#2583

anyone have a NY Times sub? (edit: figured out how to get around it)

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/world/middleeast/yehudit-weiss-hamas-hostage-israel.html

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Israeli soldiers have recovered the bodies of two hostages kidnapped during the Hamas-led attack on Israel last month from buildings near the Al-Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza City, the Israeli military has said.

The body of Yehudit Weiss, 65, a resident of Be’eri, a kibbutz near the border with Gaza, was found Thursday by troops who in recent days have taken control of much of the hospital, the largest in the Gaza Strip, according to the Israeli military. On Friday, the military said soldiers recovered the body of a second hostage, Corp. Noa Marciano, 19, in a building next to Al-Shifa hospital.

The Israeli authorities say that Hamas and other Palestinian groups took roughly 240 people hostage during the surprise attack on Oct. 7 that left about 1,200 dead in Israel. The ongoing hostage crisis — which involves dozens of dual nationals — has stunned the country and complicated Israel’s hopes of toppling Hamas in Gaza.

Israeli officials say the hospital complex hosts major Hamas facilities, some in underground bunkers, a claim that Hamas and hospital officials reject. The military has said the presence of the hostages’ bodies near the hospital is indicative that Hamas used the complex.

In its statement on Thursday, the military did not reveal how Ms. Weiss had died. Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, an Israeli military spokesman, told reporters that soldiers searching within and beneath the hospital complex had found weapons belonging to her captors near her remains.

“Yehudit was killed by terrorists in the Gaza Strip, and we didn’t manage to reach her in time,” he said.

Hamas published a video this week purporting to show Corporal Marciano dead. The Israeli military had earlier confirmed her death.

Hamas has released four Israeli hostages, and Israeli troops rescued a 19-year-old Israeli soldier last month. Negotiations are underway for the release of 50 hostages, in exchange for the release of Palestinians held in Israeli prisons and a cessation of hostilities for several days, according to Israeli officials.

Israeli troops transferred Ms. Weiss’s body to Israel for forensic testing by health officials, who confirmed her identity, the military said. Her husband, Shmulik Weiss, was killed in the Oct. 7 attack, Admiral Hagari said.

Their community, Be’eri, a close-knit kibbutz of about 1,000 residents, was devastated in the attack, with at least 86 killed, according to the kibbutz administration. Roughly 25 remain missing, and many of those are believed to have been abducted.

In a video statement after her kidnapping, Ms. Weiss’s family said that she and Mr. Weiss had ceased responding to messages after around 10:15 a.m. on Oct. 7. Both of their phones were later traced to Gaza, said their son Ohad.

“We had so much hope that Mom would come back,” another of their sons, Omer, told reporters on Thursday night after learning of his mother’s death. “We wished for it and we hoped. Sadly, it was too late for us — but perhaps for the rest of the families, it’s not.”

A correction was made on 

Nov. 16, 2023

An earlier version of this article misidentified the son of Yehudit Weiss who spoke to reporters on Thursday night. He is Omer, not Ohad.

 

wondering what "near" the complex means because I have seen other references to the article say the bodies were found on the hospital grounds.

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#2584
1 hour ago, RockyMountainHighHorn said:

Can anyone explain “liquid explosives” to me? Can they somehow pump an explosive down into tunnels and destroy them from the inside? I guess turning an explosive into liquid doesn’t surprise me but the containment of that liquid and ability to “target it” intrigues me with how it’s done. 

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#2585
11 hours ago, RockyMountainHighHorn said:

Can anyone explain “liquid explosives” to me? Can they somehow pump an explosive down into tunnels and destroy them from the inside? I guess turning an explosive into liquid doesn’t surprise me but the containment of that liquid and ability to “target it” intrigues me with how it’s done. 

Destroying every foot of tunnel should be on the table. 

#2586
1 hour ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Destroying every foot of tunnel should be on the table.

Hook up some 16 inch hoses to every tunnel opening.  Draw the water from the sea.  Flood them out.    Every "hidden" spot will get exposedm

#2588

Or they could round up a bunch of wild boars.  Have a running of the boars in the tunnels.  Anyone with suicide vests wouldn't dare to blow themselves up because getting parts on you at time of death makes you unclean and no heaven for you.  Mount cameras on the boars.

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#2589

How do we export wild pigs from Texas without the piggies wrecking the fuck out of the aircraft or ship upon which they are travelling?

#2590

Did we ever find out what was down the tunnel that was paraded about on video? Looks like septic. Did they find anything like this?

 

The Shifa Hospital is not only the largest hospital in Gaza but it also acts as the main headquarters for Hamas’ terrorist activity. Terrorism does not belong in a hospital and the IDF will operate to uncover any terrorist infrastructure.

 

#2591
2 hours ago, slorch said:

How do we export wild pigs from Texas without the piggies wrecking the fuck out of the aircraft or ship upon which they are travelling?

Very carefully 

#2592
A Significant number of Armored Vehicles and Troops of the Royal Jordanian Army have been observed over the last 48 Hours moving towards the Border with the West Bank Region of Eastern Israel; this is likely being done in Coordination with the Israel Defense Force in order to…

 

 

#2593

Polish professor's analysis on if hamas' plan is achieving their goal or backfiring. He doesn't mention the Israeli/Saudi normalization process but I think the behavior of Iran and Hezbollah gives his theory some credence

Gazans to travel to and work in Israel (some of these workers provided Hamas with the information it needed to carry out the attack). Hamas also successfully used the old “cry wolf” tactics - by staging 9 or 10 “practice assaults“ before the real one.

 

The extreme brutality of the assault, the rapes, the murder of babies - all was deliberate and carefully planned. The aim was not only to capture hostages but also to make Israel retaliate with fury and cause a maximum number of civilian casualties amomg the Gazans.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1725955754861985892.html

 

 

#2594

It’s going to be a while before you see a full image of the tunnel network beneath the hospital.  IDF personnel have been killed before trying to just send down a camera at previous tunnel sites. 
 

OPERATIONAL UPDATE: IDF and ISA forces revealed a significant 55-meter-long terrorist tunnel, 10 meters underneath the Shifa Hospital complex during an intelligence-based operation. The tunnel entrance contains various defense mechanisms, such as a blast-proof door and a firing…

There’s also some really odd discourse about the appropriate number of RPGs, carbines, grenades, and tunnels a hospital should have. 

#2595

The Houthis really need to be gifted some more Hellfires. 
 

Arabic-language media outlets report that a partially Israeli-owned shipping vessel, GALAXY LEADER, was hijacked by Yemen's Houthis in the Red Sea. Israeli media reports say there are no Israelis among the 22 crew.— Emanuel (Mannie) Fabian (@manniefabian)

 

#2596
On 11/18/2023 at 8:21 AM, FartingMonk said:

Or they could round up a bunch of wild boars.  Have a running of the boars in the tunnels.  Anyone with suicide vests wouldn't dare to blow themselves up because getting parts on you at time of death makes you unclean and no heaven for you.  Mount cameras on the boars.

Suicide vests on the boars.

#2597

Second scene at least could be a hostage that needs medical attention to save him, but I'm not sure why the plain clothes guys are allowed free reign to follow him, however the first scene looks like a healthy hostage being forced in to the building and an actual hospital worker throwing his hands up in frustration that they're cutting through his place of work. 

#2598

Need to verify timestamp with when airstrikes begin by IDF. My guess is this twitter post is probably correct. 
 

This doesn’t add up because in 10AM no airstrikes were made in Gaza and in the videos it’s clear to see that one of the hostages is able to walk on his own and tries to resist.

And is admissions straight ahead? Probably…

Well .... I wonder how it was that hostage takers with guns knew exactly where to go with their hostages at this .... (checks notes) .... "hospital" ... the guy in scrubs helpfully gets out of the way instead of directing them to 'Admissions' https://t.co/icKiGS6mFo

 

 

#2599
5 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The Houthis really need to be gifted some more Hellfires. 

Funny how US Marines in the Red Sea were practicing drills about capturing/freeing ships...

#2600
2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Funny how US Marines in the Red Sea were practicing drills about capturing/freeing ships...

Bold choice for the Houthis. The Navy and the Marines are literally made for this.

Fighting pirates was the original reason to create a bluewater US Navy that could project power across the globe. 

As for the Marines, "To the shores of Tripoli" sums it up well.

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