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2023-24 Houston Rockets Thread - Climbing out of the Gutter?

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#301

Really happy to see Amen thriving recently. He seemed pretty uncomfortable out there until 2-3 weeks ago, but now his confidence is growing and those elite skills are starting to show. 

I don't even know what to say about Whitmore anymore. Human highlight reel. Still can't get over him only being 19 years old. LOL WHAT A FUCKING STEAL IN THE DRAFT

Can't wait for Tari to come back.

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#302
5 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Really happy to see Amen thriving recently. He seemed pretty uncomfortable out there until 2-3 weeks ago, but now his confidence is growing and those elite skills are starting to show. 

I don't even know what to say about Whitmore anymore. Human highlight reel. Still can't get over him only being 19 years old. LOL WHAT A FUCKING STEAL IN THE DRAFT

Can't wait for Tari to come back.

Tari agrees... 

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#303
7 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Really happy to see Amen thriving recently. He seemed pretty uncomfortable out there until 2-3 weeks ago, but now his confidence is growing and those elite skills are starting to show. 

I don't even know what to say about Whitmore anymore. Human highlight reel. Still can't get over him only being 19 years old. LOL WHAT A FUCKING STEAL IN THE DRAFT

Can't wait for Tari to come back.

i wanted them to pick Whitmore at #4.  cannot belive he fell all the way to 20.  

#304

I don't really see a reason for Holiday or Tate to get significant minutes once Tari gets back. If we don't make any significant trades, just run with a 9 man rotation and get these guys ready to make a run next year. 

 

 

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#305

agreed.  we've got the 6 young guys + brooks and van vleet.  then old man jeff green gets a few minutes spelling sengun.  that should be the rotation for the rest of the season assuming no significant trade is made in the next 5 days.

#306

Man, I want Tate to work on his offense with Dream and Sengun. He's a thick, athletic dude, but his hands and brain seem disconnected like he just isn't sure what to do or where to be. 

#308
40 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Would really love to see what Sengun, Smith, Eason, Thompson, and Whitmore could do together on the court.

A simar lineup came out last night, but with Tate instead of Eason. 

Lots of dunks  and easy baskets happened. 

The ball moved a lot. It would have been even better with Eason instead of Tate. 

#312
1 minute ago, billfromlaketravis said:

I like the Adams trade. Second round picks are fungible and be purchased on draft night. 
 

If Adams can play next year, he’s a functional NBA center for $12 million. 

Not to mention the Rockets don't have roster room for 4 players from the 2024 draft.

#313

This should be the end of the Jalen Green.

1/ Last season, I wrote about RJ Barrett limiting the Knicks. The Knicks are 11-2 since OG’s first game post RJ tradeThis season’s RJ is Jalen GreenI’ll cover:Jalen vs. his fellow RocketsJalen vs. the leagueHow the Rockets play w/o JalenRegressinghttps://t.co/tUIrl3dxhw
2/ Jalen Green vs. his fellow Rockets:9 Rockets have played 400+ minutes. Among them, Jalen ranks:Last in:eFG%TS%WS/48+/-on-offBottom 3 in:ORB%STL%BLK%BPMVORPAbove average in:AST% (3rd)TOV% (4th)Are his teammates just great? Let's compare to the league...
3/ Jalen Green vs. the league:There are 145 players with more than 1K minutes. Jalen Green ranks:Bottom 10% in…WS/48ORB%On-offeFG%TS%Bottom 30% in…BPMVORPSTL%BLK%+/-Bottom 60% in…AST%TOV%Top 40% in…NothingAnd it gets worse
4/ Rockets w/o Jalen Green:Net rating of Rockets w/o Jalen vs. past 5 champs:+6.6: Rockets w/o Jalen+3.4: '23 DEN+5.6: '22 GSW+5.7: '21 MIL+5.7: '20 LAL+6.0: '19 TORThe Rockets played better w/o Jalen than any of the last 5 NBA champsBut is it just because of Jalen?
5/ Rockets starters/Jalen Green (JG) net ratings:JG + FVV: -2.3JG - FVV: -6.9FVV - JG: +14.3✅JG + Alpy: -2.2JG - Alpy: -8.9Alpy - JG: +10.1✅JG + Brooks: -4.7JG - Brooks: -1.4Brooks - JG: +11.5✅JG + JSJ: -2JG - JSJ: -6.2JSJ - JG: +3.4✅And the non-starters...
6/ Most played rotation players:JG + Tate: -3.6JG - Tate: -3.2Tate - JG: +14.1✅JG + Aaron: -5.7JG - Aaron: -2.8Aaron - JG: +8.5✅JG + Jeff: -9JG - Jeff: -1.5Jeff - JG: +4✅JG + Tari: -3.1JG - Tari: -3.4Tari - JG: +21✅Starters and rotation player w/o Jalen = ✅
7/ Of the 8 other Rockets with the most minutes...ALL 8 have a +/- per 100 of at least +3 while playing without Jalen5/8 are better than +10(!) without JalenThis team thrives with ANYONE but Jalen GreenIt's him, hi, he's the problem, it's him
8/ Jalen Green hasn’t missed a game this season, so we can’t see what the team is like without him for full games. BUT…In his last 2 seasons, he missed 21 gamesIn: 32-111 (22% wins)Out: 10-11 (48% wins)
9/ RegressingJalen Green is hurting the Rockets, but maybe you believe it's worth it to continue to develop himIt's notAnd that's because he's not getting better. If anything, he's getting worse...
10/ Jalen Green career worsts this season:2P%3P%eFG%TS%ORB%STL%TOV%Career bests:BLK% (by 0.1)Jalen Green, like most rookies, started out pretty bad. But uniquely, he's not only not improving, he's regressing
11/ Bonus: my favorite Jalen Green stat190 players played 1500+ min in ‘23177 players played 1500+ min in ‘22Jalen Green was dead last in box outs both seasonsIn his first 2 seasons, he had 5 total boxouts in 4,700+ minutesHe doesn't do the big things or the little things
12/ Summary:Jalen < all his teammatesJalen < other players with starter minutesThe Rockets play at a championship level when he’s on the benchThe Rockets were far better in games he missed in his careerHe's not getting better. He's getting worsePlease. Bench. Jalen. Green

 

#314
11 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

This should be the end of the Jalen Green.

1/ Last season, I wrote about RJ Barrett limiting the Knicks. The Knicks are 11-2 since OG’s first game post RJ tradeThis season’s RJ is Jalen GreenI’ll cover:Jalen vs. his fellow RocketsJalen vs. the leagueHow the Rockets play w/o JalenRegressinghttps://t.co/tUIrl3dxhw
2/ Jalen Green vs. his fellow Rockets:9 Rockets have played 400+ minutes. Among them, Jalen ranks:Last in:eFG%TS%WS/48+/-on-offBottom 3 in:ORB%STL%BLK%BPMVORPAbove average in:AST% (3rd)TOV% (4th)Are his teammates just great? Let's compare to the league...
3/ Jalen Green vs. the league:There are 145 players with more than 1K minutes. Jalen Green ranks:Bottom 10% in…WS/48ORB%On-offeFG%TS%Bottom 30% in…BPMVORPSTL%BLK%+/-Bottom 60% in…AST%TOV%Top 40% in…NothingAnd it gets worse
4/ Rockets w/o Jalen Green:Net rating of Rockets w/o Jalen vs. past 5 champs:+6.6: Rockets w/o Jalen+3.4: '23 DEN+5.6: '22 GSW+5.7: '21 MIL+5.7: '20 LAL+6.0: '19 TORThe Rockets played better w/o Jalen than any of the last 5 NBA champsBut is it just because of Jalen?
5/ Rockets starters/Jalen Green (JG) net ratings:JG + FVV: -2.3JG - FVV: -6.9FVV - JG: +14.3✅JG + Alpy: -2.2JG - Alpy: -8.9Alpy - JG: +10.1✅JG + Brooks: -4.7JG - Brooks: -1.4Brooks - JG: +11.5✅JG + JSJ: -2JG - JSJ: -6.2JSJ - JG: +3.4✅And the non-starters...
6/ Most played rotation players:JG + Tate: -3.6JG - Tate: -3.2Tate - JG: +14.1✅JG + Aaron: -5.7JG - Aaron: -2.8Aaron - JG: +8.5✅JG + Jeff: -9JG - Jeff: -1.5Jeff - JG: +4✅JG + Tari: -3.1JG - Tari: -3.4Tari - JG: +21✅Starters and rotation player w/o Jalen = ✅
7/ Of the 8 other Rockets with the most minutes...ALL 8 have a +/- per 100 of at least +3 while playing without Jalen5/8 are better than +10(!) without JalenThis team thrives with ANYONE but Jalen GreenIt's him, hi, he's the problem, it's him
8/ Jalen Green hasn’t missed a game this season, so we can’t see what the team is like without him for full games. BUT…In his last 2 seasons, he missed 21 gamesIn: 32-111 (22% wins)Out: 10-11 (48% wins)
9/ RegressingJalen Green is hurting the Rockets, but maybe you believe it's worth it to continue to develop himIt's notAnd that's because he's not getting better. If anything, he's getting worse...
10/ Jalen Green career worsts this season:2P%3P%eFG%TS%ORB%STL%TOV%Career bests:BLK% (by 0.1)Jalen Green, like most rookies, started out pretty bad. But uniquely, he's not only not improving, he's regressing
11/ Bonus: my favorite Jalen Green stat190 players played 1500+ min in ‘23177 players played 1500+ min in ‘22Jalen Green was dead last in box outs both seasonsIn his first 2 seasons, he had 5 total boxouts in 4,700+ minutesHe doesn't do the big things or the little things
12/ Summary:Jalen < all his teammatesJalen < other players with starter minutesThe Rockets play at a championship level when he’s on the benchThe Rockets were far better in games he missed in his careerHe's not getting better. He's getting worsePlease. Bench. Jalen. Green

 

What are you trying to say Htown? Haha.

I’d quietly move him out for an unprotected first. 

#317
On 2/6/2024 at 11:11 AM, BigOrange1 said:

van vleet is out for a while.  gonna get to see what amen thompson is all about.

 

We'll see. Stone trading for a veteran warm body point guard are popping up like mushrooms. 

#318
Amen Thompson in his first two career starts:15 PTS - 14 REB - 5 AST - 1 STL13 PTS - 13 REB - 6 AST - 3 BLKFuture star.

Not sure about star but he’s got talent

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#319

i worry that he'll never develop a reliable 3-point shot and that will keep him from being a star, but he's certainly got a lot of tools to work with.

#320
5 hours ago, BigOrange1 said:

i worry that he'll never develop a reliable 3-point shot and that will keep him from being a star, but he's certainly got a lot of tools to work with.

Does he kinda remind you of a all around guy that can’t shoot like Ben Simmons?

#321
6 hours ago, BigOrange1 said:

i worry that he'll never develop a reliable 3-point shot and that will keep him from being a star, but he's certainly got a lot of tools to work with.

Maybe a longer Russ without the turnovers and better defense? I would take that all day long with the 4th pick. 

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#322
3 hours ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

Does he kinda remind you of a all around guy that can’t shoot like Ben Simmons?

 

2 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Maybe a longer Russ without the turnovers and better defense? I would take that all day long with the 4th pick. 

yeah probably alongside the same lines as those two guys, hopefully with a higher basketball iq (russ) and not a total bitch (simmons).  

#323
15 minutes ago, BigOrange1 said:

 

yeah probably alongside the same lines as those two guys, hopefully with a higher basketball iq (russ) and not a total bitch (simmons).  

Works for me. Simmons is perhaps the biggest bitch in NBA history. 

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#325

Just let Jalen Green tank you into a record that may get you the chance at another Top 4 pick and keeping your draft pick. He should have no future with the Rockets. The dude fucking sucks. This season set the franchise back 2 years because of how fucking awful Jalen Green turned out to be. If you had taken Barnes and Grimes, you'd probably be in the Top 6 of the West.

#326

I wonder if they received a single call on Jalen Green at the trade deadline. Probably not. As many have pointed out, his trade value was highest before the 2023 Draft. Hindsight is 20-20, but I bet Stone wishes he had that one back. 

#327

His next highest value will be during the 24 draft, which is projected to be very poor in depth. He will be more enticing than a lot of the prospects, and you can probably dump him then for a 1st.  

#328
36 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

His next highest value will be during the 24 draft, which is projected to be very poor in depth. He will be more enticing than a lot of the prospects, and you can probably dump him then for a 1st.  

That’s my thought; JG plus wherever BRKs pick to move up as high as you can in this draft. It’s a salary dump and a reset for both Green and the Rockets

#329

Drafting G league players early has pretty much been a failure overall. Teams are going to stick to college and foreign players going forward. 

#330
2 hours ago, TonyTexas said:

Drafting G league players early has pretty much been a failure overall. Teams are going to stick to college and foreign players going forward. 

Yeah, one of the ESPN 975 guys went on long rant about the Heat model. Take established, junior or senior college prospects in the late first round. Play them for 4 years and cut them loose. Rinse, repeat. 

His point was a college player can contribute almost immediately while a G Leaguer will take 2-4 years to turn into a contributor, and then teams have to extend them. Higher floor, lower ceiling, much less risk if the Heat are resolved to move on after the rookie contract. 

#331

If a player’s peak is age 27-30 then why take a 19 year old? Take a 22-23 year old college guy. They will be near peak during their rookie contract. Chasing young guys always seemed stupid to me.

#332
5 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

If a player’s peak is age 27-30 then why take a 19 year old? Take a 22-23 year old college guy. They will be near peak during their rookie contract. Chasing young guys always seemed stupid to me.

Everyone is hoping to land the next Kobe, Lebron, and KD. That's why teams do it. 

#334

I don't think anybody is going to give up even a late first round pick for the opportunity to overpay Jalen Green when he hits free agency. 

On 2/10/2024 at 5:44 PM, TonyTexas said:

Drafting G league players early has pretty much been a failure overall. Teams are going to stick to college and foreign players going forward. 

I think it's way too early to say this unequivocally. It's a small sample size and more and more highly rated players are going to the G-League instead of college now. It would be dumb to write this pathway off at exactly the same time that they are getting more talent in the pipeline.

The one and done Ignite guys are still really young. It takes time. Kuminga is having a breakout year for the Warriors. Scoot Henderson has been playing better lately, and he's still a rookie. Dyson Daniels is one of the best young defenders in the league. The rest of the Ignite guys outside of Green were taken late in the first round or in the second round.

#336
1 hour ago, ChickenSandwich said:

End of 3rd

Sengun 5/5 16 pts

J Smith 4/8 16 pts

J Green 4/14 16 pts

Green fell down on the final play of the game and made a really shitty pass. He got bailed out by a terrible foul call on Brunson. 

#338
Per sources, confirmed, former Houston Rocket, Robert Reid, has passed. He was 68. This is a developing story. More to come. @FOX26Houston

RIP Bobby Joe

#339
7 hours ago, Macklemore said:
Per sources, confirmed, former Houston Rocket, Robert Reid, has passed. He was 68. This is a developing story. More to come. @FOX26Houston

RIP Bobby Joe

 

I'm so sorry to hear about the passing of Rockets legend Robert Reid.The 6-foot-8 forward was incredibly versatile on both ends of the floor and was a charismatic leader on Rockets teams that went to the Finals in 1981 and 1986. He hit the unheralded three-point shot to tie…

 

#341

I’m a little disappointed this thread isn’t seeing more activity-bring on the Jalen Green abuse.  

#342
On 2/29/2024 at 12:48 PM, LCHorn said:

I’m a little disappointed this thread isn’t seeing more activity-bring on the Jalen Green abuse.  

Because I'm not SEEING THE F'N GAMES unless I'm at the game... 

I did see the road blowout loss that was on real tv.

#343

I said at the beginning of the year I thought .500 would be a welcomed surprise for this team, and that's not far off. Fringe play-in team right now, but they were better than that early in the year with a much better defense. They were top 5 in defensive rating early on, and have now regressed to about middle of the pack. Their offense has been dismal, and continues to be shitty most nights. Jalen Green is an absolutely terrible chucker, who has shown no signs of better discipline in choosing his shots. The team's identity is defense, and they need to start playing more like it. 

Also from last night, this was why Sengun fouled out. If you aren't allowed to play defense in a game, it really hurts a team that is leaning on their defense to win...  Should have been a no-call, but that was his 6th, so he was very angry about it. 

 

Alperen Şengün just got his first career ejection after a terrible call to foul him out.This is the most mad I’ve ever seen him in an NBA game…

 

#344

Nice win tonight over the Suns on the road. First home loss for the Suns since Christmas Day. Jalen Green had the best game of the season. 34 points 9 rebounds 4 assists and good on defense. Jalen is such a frustrating player since he is so damn inconsistent and teases with star potential.

#345

Tari is getting surgery on Monday and will be out of action for 4 months.

Ime Udoka announces Tari Eason will have surgery on Monday to remove a benign growth on his lower leg bone (shin). He will have a bone graft and rod put in and will be "ready to go in four months."

 

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