November 20, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, satyanash said: 127 of those scenarios do not include Texas in the championship game. - Brett Yorcunt
November 20, 20232 yr I think they'll end up flipping a coin at a Dairy Queen in some backwoods Texas town
November 21, 20232 yr 22 hours ago, Huckleberry said: This is how it should be but the language of the tiebreaker rules does support the other interpretation. It says that once "one team gains an advantage and is seeded" then they go to the other teams. But then it says compare those to the "next highest" teams. The published tiebreaker rules are a complete and total mess. I agree that it says this - "'once "one team gains an advantage and is seeded' then they go to the [remaining] teams." But there is no applicable rule that would "seed" OU without putting TX in the championship game. After the ISU tiebreaker, OU didn't get seeded. OU and TX are still tied after the ISU tiebreaker. So another way to put it is - after you apply the ISU tiebreaker, what tiebreaker do you apply next to TX and OU? coin toss? strength of schedule? Next highest rated common opponent? After the ISU tiebreaker, it looks like this: Section 1 (2 way tiebreaker rules) tiebreaker rule A tiebreaker rule B tiebreaker rule C Section 2 (3+ way tie tiebreaker rules) tiebreaker rule i (only applies if all tied teams played each other) tiebreaker rule ii **** ISU Tiebreaker/ YOU ARE HERE**** tiebreaker rule iii After YOU ARE HERE - what tie breaker do you apply next? do you go to Section 2 tiebreaker rule iii? Do you repeat tiebreaker rule ii with the next highest ranked common opp of TX/OU? Do you go to Section 3 tiebreaker rule i? Where do you go next? There are two parts of the rules. (1) A list of tiebreakers, and then (2) a set of rules about the order in which you apply the tiebreakers. The orange and green sentences tell us about the order in which we apply the tiebreaker rules. The rules clearly say if you have a three way tie you start in Section 2 at rule i but if at any point you get to two teams, then you go immediately to Section 1. "If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied." In other words, if you start in Section 2 and at any point you get down to two teams, you immediately go to the top of Section 1. The very top of Section 1 says if you have two teams tied for first (as opposed to two teams tied for second), those two teams play in the championship. The sentence reads "If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed." This language "After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tiebreaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure" doesn't apply after the ISU tiebreaker, because no team got seeded. I think that's the mistake people are making. They think the green language means once you eliminate OSU (via the ISU tiebreaker) you start at the top again with OU/TX and look at their head-to-head tiebreaker. But that's just wrong. It's a misreading of the green language and ignores the orange language. It's a violation of the part of the rules that tells you which tiebreaker rule you apply in which circumstance. In fact, the green language serves a useful purpose, but it can only apply if you start with four+ teams tied for first and you run through section two and eliminate one team. For example, say there were four teams tied for first at 11-1, and one of those four teams beat the other three head-to-head. At that point, that team is seeded. Then you have three teams left, and without the green language, it's not clear which tiebreaker you apply next, so you need a rule saying what you do with the remaining three teams. The green sentence says after you seed the one team, those remaining three teams start over in the Section 2 rules. That's how the green statement works. And it makes sense that the Green language sends you back to the top of Section 2 when you have 3+ teams remaining and to Section 1 when you have two remaining. We can think of it as green is the general rule and orange is the exception when you get down to two teams. There's no other way to read the rules. There's no ambiguity. Someone at the Big XII just read it too quickly (imo). There is no legitimate way to read the rules to say after **YOU ARE HERE** you apply head to head TX/OU, seed OU, then start again with TX/OSU. There's nothing ambiguous about it. The big xii just messed up. First, because that reading ignores the orange language. Second because there is nothing in the rules that would tell you to apply the head-to-head tiebreaker to resolve TX/OU (as opposed to next highest ranked opp or coin toss or whatever). You are correct that, even if the rules did say to seed OU and compare TX/OSU, there is a weird issue with the word next that makes it unclear which opp you would look at if you were comparing TX and OSU. anyway, fuck tech.
November 21, 20232 yr I agree that's what makes logical sense but my only issue is that I don't believe for a second that the Big 12 would not consider trying to find a way under the terribly written rules that the final CCG with them in the league is not Texas and Oklahoma. So again we end up with Texas just needing to beat Tech.
November 21, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, 6th Street said: I think they'll end up flipping a coin at a Dairy Queen in some backwoods Texas town Absolutely not. The coin flip has to be done in Oklahoma, or Kansas, or Iowa, depending on the schools involved. Texas, maybe. - Various other schools and Big 12 officials.
November 21, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, Huckleberry said: I agree that's what makes logical sense but my only issue is that I don't believe for a second that the Big 12 would not consider trying to find a way under the terribly written rules that the final CCG with them in the league is not Texas and Oklahoma. So again we end up with Texas just needing to beat Tech. yeah. i could be wrong but i suspect it's just incompetence on the part of the guy at the big 12 who looked at the rules and told the reporters to hold their horses. hopefully it never becomes an issue. and frankly if the team thinks they need to win, it's prolly a good thing.
November 21, 20232 yr Author 3 minutes ago, alphahydro said: yeah. i could be wrong but i suspect it's just incompetence on the part of the guy at the big 12 who looked at the rules and told the reporters to hold their horses. hopefully it never becomes an issue. and frankly if the team thinks they need to win, it's prolly a good thing. We’ll probably win on Friday and then the Big 12 will be like “you’ve clinched since you beat ISU, what do you mean there was confusion? Read the tiebreakers”
November 21, 20232 yr 19 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said: Big12 was his big thing. He was proud of it, and loved being the big fish in it. Yeah. Deloss was a KSU track star. Very proud of Big 8 (2 actually) and then the shit show that became Rig 12 (or 9 or 11, whatever).
November 21, 20232 yr finally took the time to read all this. we have clinched a spot. thanks alphahydro.
November 21, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, po elvis said: finally took the time to read all this. we have clinched a spot. thanks alphahydro. It's cute that you guys think you understand NOT how the rules are written, but how the B12 will interpret them.
November 21, 20232 yr The big 12 not publicly clarifying what happens for each outcome prior to any games starting this week is absurd.
November 21, 20232 yr Author 1 minute ago, GTNY said: The big 12 not publicly clarifying what happens for each outcome prior to any games starting this week is absurd. They already told you there’s 128 possibilities. Now you want them to explain them all to you?
November 21, 20232 yr 19 minutes ago, Js1 said: They already told you there’s 128 possibilities. Now you want them to explain them all to you? Only 32 of the 128 have any potential impact on the CCG. But, the B12 office probably hasn't done that math yet. They exhausted themselves getting the 128 number figured out.
November 21, 20232 yr Author 2 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said: Only 32 of the 128 have any potential impact on the CCG. But, the B12 office probably hasn't done that math yet. They exhausted themselves getting the 128 number figured out. Big 12: we aren’t going to do the work for you. And if you do it, we won’t confirm it until Saturday
November 21, 20232 yr 51 minutes ago, TrashMaster G said: It's cute that you guys think you understand NOT how the rules are written, but how the B12 will interpret them. it's not who votes that counts but who counts the votes...
November 21, 20232 yr Just worry about Texas Tech, it's payback time.... One game at a time, whatever will be will be. Just please, give us an appropriate beat down of Tech on our way out. 🙏🏾
November 21, 20232 yr 8 hours ago, Neonmoon said: Has anyone actually come up with a scenario where Texas can’t get in title game? I feel like that hasn’t been explained yet. Texas loses, OU wins, OSU wins, KSU loses? B12 just making shit up at this point, per their rules and before you get to the more ambiguous rules they have this to say: If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied. if at ANY point…. So with the OU, OSU, UT tie scenario OSU get eliminated which means…. There’s 2 teams left, OU gets the #1 seed against UT. you have to add a 4th tied team for it to make sense the way people are interpreting that UT/OSU start over. After one team gets the first seed there’s still 3 teams left, you keep going until one is eliminated and them go to the H2H tie breaker for the 2 remaining. The 4th team got eliminated so they are no longer in the discussion, H2H between 2 and 3. they further clarify the rule ny having the word NEXT highest placed common opponent, meaning next/subsequent/following. In the case that OU gets the #1 seed how could they possibly be the “next” highest placed? They would be the highest placed and part of why there is a 3 way tie to begin with. UT has punched its ticket per the rules as they are written, but we know from earlier that the B12 is not above changing the rules through “clarification”.
November 21, 20232 yr Something tells me tech won’t be like 10 for 8 on 4th down like I remember them being last year. They’re ass my dudes. The scenarios don’t matter. Put up 70 and let’s roll to Arlington.
November 21, 20232 yr On 11/20/2023 at 10:25 AM, satyanash said: AND I BELIEVED THEM! - also, Kirt Bowels
November 21, 20232 yr On 11/20/2023 at 10:29 AM, oSuJeff97 said: The proper OUsux nomenclature is "we're handling it internally." E.G. "We watched a video of Joe Mixon punching out a co-ed. We will be handling his punishment internally." ...and, of course, the co-eds punishment will happen internally as well. - ou fan base, probably
November 21, 20232 yr 13 hours ago, Gucci_Suit said: Something tells me tech won’t be like 10 for 8 on 4th down like I remember them being last year. They’re ass my dudes. The scenarios don’t matter. Put up 70 and let’s roll to Arlington. 125% seems high, but it sure felt that way
November 22, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, NoctambulantBrobdingnagian said: 125% seems high, but it sure felt that way Pretty sure it was actually 10/8. I don’t transact in hyperbole or exaggeration.
November 22, 20232 yr Fuck the big 12, their leadership, all the other teams, the refs, and everyone associated with Fox. IMG_3257.mov
November 23, 20232 yr No Big 12 tickets for me. Sucks being a poorWhat’s your #?I didn’t put in for those but went ahead and selected for semifinal and final.
November 23, 20232 yr What’s your #?I didn’t put in for those but went ahead and selected for semifinal and final. 8400
November 24, 20232 yr On 11/20/2023 at 6:27 PM, Huckleberry said: So again we end up with Texas just needing to beat Tech. Apologies for not keeping up with all the machinations. A question: -- if Texas beats Tech, do any of the 3 teams with 2 losses control their own destiny (i.e., a win gets them in regardless of what the other two do)
November 24, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said: Apologies for not keeping up with all the machinations. A question: -- if Texas beats Tech, do any of the 3 teams with 2 losses control their own destiny (i.e., a win gets them in regardless of what the other two do) Yes*, Okie lite owns h2h over both kstate and dirt burglars *the big12 has reserved the right to do whatever the fuck they want by drafting this shit so poorly
November 24, 20232 yr The above is fairly accurate. The Big 12 "clarified" (meaning they actually rewrote the rule but wanted to claim they weren't) the first tiebreaker to say that if one team had beaten all others it was tied in then head-to-head applied to put that team ahead of the rest. So Oklahoma State is actually rooting for us because that puts their destiny in their own hands instead of having to trust Big 12 tiebreaker decisions if we fall back and make it a bigger tie clusterfuck.
November 24, 20232 yr Unreal. "Logic" would tell me I'd rather play OU over Okie State or KSU should we win against Tech, but I am hard-wired against rooting for the dirt burglars. I'll just ignore it all and hope we get by Lubbock.
November 24, 20232 yr Unreal. "Logic" would tell me I'd rather play OU over Okie State or KSU should we win against Tech, but I am hard-wired against rooting for the dirt burglars. I'll just ignore it all and hope we get by Lubbock.We match up better with OSU though IMO.
November 24, 20232 yr Just to watch ou fans cry they didn’t make it will be worth the tears. We leave this shit conference by winning the conference.
November 24, 20232 yr It's over in Norman and OU's win means the Big XII championship will feature a 1 or 2 loss team vs a 2 loss team. If Texas wins tonight, they clinch the #1 seed. I think it's possible that this also eliminates K State, but the tiebreaker rules are hard to follow. If Texas and Ok State both win, then it's Texas vs Ok State because Ok State has head to head vs both K-State and OU. If Texas wins but Ok State loses, then there is a possible tie between K State and OU. But OU beat top seed Texas, and Texas beat K State, giving the tiebreaker to OU. I don't see a tiebreaker for K State should Texas win. If my logic is correct, then a Texas win means it will be Texas vs OU or Ok State, depending on the outcome of the Ok State / BYU game.
November 24, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, texastroubadour said: If Ok State wins are they in? If we win also, yes. Do they survive if they can’t use the head to head because we fall into the tiebreaker?
November 24, 20232 yr On 11/20/2023 at 10:06 PM, Gucci_Suit said: Something tells me tech won’t be like 10 for 8 on 4th down like I remember them being last year. On 11/21/2023 at 12:00 PM, NoctambulantBrobdingnagian said: 125% seems high, but it sure felt that way
November 25, 20232 yr ABC just said Texas is in with a win or a KSU win or a OSU loss. They also said KSU is eliminated. OU needs OSU to lose or Texas and KSU to lose.
November 25, 20232 yr I've calculated the scenarios, and with 100 percent certainty, I can say that Texas will be playing in the Big XII Championship
November 25, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, LOHorn said: ABC just said Texas is in with a win or a KSU win or a OSU loss. They also said KSU is eliminated. OU needs OSU to lose or Texas and KSU to lose.
November 25, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, LOHorn said: They also said KSU is eliminated. I hope that’s the case. I want no part of KSU in the Big 12 Championship.
November 25, 20232 yr 19 minutes ago, cabowabo said: I hope that’s the case. I want no part of KSU in the Big 12 Championship. We’d fucking destroy KSU the second time around.
November 25, 20232 yr So did we clinch with the Tech win? LOL fuck this shitty conference. Let’s rub our nuts all over the face of the Rig 12 in the championship game!!
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