November 24, 20232 yr Popular Post I'm the insomniac in this house & errbody else went to bed a while ago, so I was bored. As a firefighter I've also developed the habit of trying to understand/reconstruct accidents after they happen. Been doing a little amateur investigating on the 3 videos and google maps. I was mostly wondering what would have launched him like that and how far he might have been airborne. Coming down Main St., if he blew the turn and went straight through he'd have 'just' hit the concrete barrier outside the fence head on. Might have blasted through it or knocked it out of the way, but I don't see it launching the car the way it was launched. Based on the videos and the street detail, it looks to me like the car didn't come down Main St. at all like the one guy said, but instead came down Niagara St. (the 3 lane street). Looks like the car went off the left side of the street just as it starts to curve to the right toward the bridge/border check. Right there is where the concrete retaining wall begins at ground level and slopes upward. There's your ramp. From the look of it they probably traveled at least 150 feet in the air, probably more. The arrow would be the car. The 3 dots would be the locations of the witness video and the 2 security cameras. From those angles, it makes perfect sense of the car coming down Niagara. In fact, in the video that shows the car jumping you can see that it's on Niagara. /csb
November 24, 20232 yr I’m surprised at how far vehicles can fly. This was the kid that drove off the tow truck This was a driver who had a medical condition and he drifted off the highway and into the median
November 24, 20232 yr Ooh fuck that second one did not end well. About 99.99% sure that's another video of someone dying. Edited November 24, 20232 yr by wood
November 24, 20232 yr 6 hours ago, wood said: Ooh fuck that second one did not end well. About 99.99% sure that's another video of someone dying. He survived and was even conscious and talking to firefighters. 59 year-old in Michigan.
November 24, 20232 yr The way this article is written seems to hint that investigators may have suspicions of some sort of mechanical failure causing the vehicle to go out of control. Quote After Couple’s Fatal Bridge Crash, Investigators Search for Reason The explosion at the Rainbow Bridge in Niagara Falls sparked fears of terror. The car’s occupants were local residents, and the authorities said there was no threat. Police investigators in Niagara Falls, N.Y., on Thursday were untangling the mystery behind why a Bentley crashed and burned at a bridge at the U.S.-Canada border, killing a local couple and causing panic on both sides on one of the year’s busiest travel days. Among the possibilities that investigators were considering on Thursday was whether the car, an older model, experienced a mechanical failure that caused it to accelerate, according to Robert Restaino, the mayor of Niagara Falls. The victims were a man and his wife from Grand Island, N.Y., both in their 50s, who owned several businesses in western New York, according to Mr. Restaino. He declined to release their names because the family had not been officially notified. Mr. Restaino said the couple had originally been headed to a concert in Canada, and investigators believe it was a Kiss show that was called off after a member’s illness. The Niagara Falls police took over the investigation after the F.B.I. concluded the crash on Wednesday was not related to terrorism, despite initial fears and a sweeping response by local, state and federal authorities, including closure of the border at several locations. On Thursday, the police department’s accident reconstruction team was tracing the couple’s journey from a casino downtown to the border crossing, examining surveillance video, the scene of the crash and other evidence collected by federal authorities. A spokesman for the Seneca Niagara Resort & Casino, a towering gambling hall that dominates the city’s waterfront skyline, confirmed that the couple had been at the property for several minutes shortly before the crash. From there, the car would have needed to travel a little more than a mile to the Niagara Falls International Rainbow Bridge, which straddles the Niagara River just downstream from the famous falls. Headed toward Canada, the car — traveling at “a very high rate of speed,” according to Gov. Kathy Hochul — hit a median and went airborne, topping a fence before colliding with a border patrol booth. The resulting explosion sent flames shooting into the sky and government and law enforcement officials scrambling to determine what had happened. A border patrol agent working in the checkpoint booth had minor injuries. Cross-border rail service was suspended and cars searched for explosives at local airports, as White House and Homeland Security officials were briefed. Cable television was flooded with speculation about the cause of the blast, and some politicians took the opportunity to warn against terrorism and criticize the president. By nightfall, however, Ms. Hochul was assuring the public that no terrorist activity was suspected, noting that “stress levels are already high” in the wake of the terrorist attacks in Israel on Oct. 7 and military action in the Gaza Strip. In Grand Island, a generally affluent town of about 21,500 that sits just north of Buffalo and midstream in the Niagara, residents were shocked, said Nate McMurray, a former town supervisor who still has a home there. He said that he had received dozens of messages since the accident — which occurred just before noon on Wednesday — from shocked Grand Islanders. “People are like, ‘Oh my God, what happened?’” Mr. McMurray said. That question was also being asked by law enforcement and forensics experts in the wake of the violent crash and explosion, which left little remaining of the car but a burn scar. The impact sent debris flying over a wide area. On Thursday, Erin Bronner, a spokeswoman for the American arm of Bentley Motors, said that the authorities had not yet contacted the automaker about the incident, so she did not have any information to disclose.
November 24, 20232 yr That settles it. That's a big fat X next to Bentleys on my Avis Preferred profile.
November 24, 20232 yr On 11/22/2023 at 2:54 PM, bolverk said: Witness interview Not a witness, but rather a by-standard.
November 24, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said: He survived and was even conscious and talking to firefighters. 59 year-old in Michigan. Good. That's amazing.
November 24, 20232 yr It's a pretty simple forensics procedure to identify an accelerant post ka-boom. Haven't read the whole thread but has it been determined if it was the gas tank or something else?
November 25, 20232 yr 12 hours ago, MissingInAction said: It's a pretty simple forensics procedure to identify an accelerant post ka-boom. Haven't read the whole thread but has it been determined if it was the gas tank or something else? I haven't seen anything that really made me think there was ever any actual explosion, but rather a big impact and rapid conflagration as the fuel tank ruptured, as is typical with vehicle fires caused by collisions.
November 25, 20232 yr I'm sure the impact was loud as hell, then there were flames. That's why the initial witnesses said "explosion" and everyone went with the terrorist angle.
November 26, 20232 yr Cancel Culture!!! still, even for a postponed hard rock concert, I found the pyrotechnics display and RCMP backup dancers to be un-fucking-believable.
November 27, 20232 yr Twelve o'clock, I gotta rock There's a truck ahead, lights staring at my eyes Oh my God! No time to turn I got to laugh cause I know I'm gonna die! Why?
November 27, 20232 yr 34 minutes ago, Deej said: If only KISS themselves would have been in that car...
November 27, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Deej said: If only KISS themselves would have been in that car... YOU SHUT YOUR WHORISH MOUTH.
November 27, 20232 yr So apparently it was a bentley Fling Spur, which can be equipped with as much as a 6.0L W12 engine. Surveillance video shows the driver wasn't impaired and was pressing on the brake pedal. Guess he didn't think of throwing it into neutral. That's some amazing power if it overcame the brakes enough to hit that kind of speed in 3/4 of a mile. https://jalopnik.com/couple-killed-in-u-s-canada-border-explosion-were-driv-1851049907
November 27, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, wood said: So apparently it was a bentley Fling Spur, which can be equipped with as much as a 6.0L W12 engine. Surveillance video shows the driver wasn't impaired and was pressing on the brake pedal. Guess he didn't think of throwing it into neutral. That's some amazing power if it overcame the brakes enough to hit that kind of speed in 3/4 of a mile. https://jalopnik.com/couple-killed-in-u-s-canada-border-explosion-were-driv-1851049907 Apparently they were in a big hurry to convert to 1.21 kilometers! /docbrown (but also accurate) Even up until a week later, people still clamoring, "Well, it wasn't full of explosives after all, but it could have been full of explosives!" Well, yes..it could have been filled with Honduran midgets on acid, looking to have a Canadian blowjob contest with Gene Simmons as the sole judge. But that doesn't warrant false reporting that caused mass chaos at the other crossings as a result. Why are we such a fucking hurry to prove we are proud to be the stupidest fucking country left on this planet? As the great ordnance/pyrotechnic expert, Abraham Lincoln, once said..."Anything can be packed with explosives...if you're brave enough." Edited November 27, 20232 yr by YGIFS
November 27, 20232 yr 38 minutes ago, wood said: So apparently it was a bentley Fling Spur, which can be equipped with as much as a 6.0L W12 engine. Surveillance video shows the driver wasn't impaired and was pressing on the brake pedal. Guess he didn't think of throwing it into neutral. That's some amazing power if it overcame the brakes enough to hit that kind of speed in 3/4 of a mile. https://jalopnik.com/couple-killed-in-u-s-canada-border-explosion-were-driv-1851049907 *Flying. They also haven't ruled out a medical emergency, but I suppose that might not ever be completely ruled out given the likely state of the remians. There has been a recall on that model of car for sticking accelerators/unexpected acceleration - but only on the right-hand-drive versions. A CNN story said pieces of wreckage were strewn across 12+ checkpoint booths. Interesting case for sure imho. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/23/us/us-canada-border-rainbow-bridge-explosion-thursday/index.html Edited November 27, 20232 yr by wood
November 27, 20232 yr 35 minutes ago, YGIFS said: Well, yes..it could have been filled with Honduran midgets on acid, looking to have a Canadian blowjob contest with Gene Simmons as the sole judge.
November 27, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, wood said: *Flying. They also haven't ruled out a medical emergency, but I suppose that might not ever be completely ruled out given the likely state of the remians. There has been a recall on that model of car for sticking accelerators/unexpected acceleration - but only on the right-hand-drive versions. A CNN story said pieces of wreckage were strewn across 12+ checkpoint booths. Interesting case for sure imho. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/23/us/us-canada-border-rainbow-bridge-explosion-thursday/index.html The brochure said it was a Flying Spur, not a Landing Spur. I see no case for a claim.
November 27, 20232 yr 29 minutes ago, wood said: They also haven't ruled out a medical emergency, He was jamming on the brakes so he was aware and he did swerve around a car, and there is video that shows them freaking out. Yeah, should have thrown it in neutral if the accelerator fucks up, but given how fast he accelerated, his mind was probably hyper-focused on what was in front of him.
November 28, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said: He was jamming on the brakes so he was aware and he did swerve around a car, and there is video that shows them freaking out. Yeah, should have thrown it in neutral if the accelerator fucks up, but given how fast he accelerated, his mind was probably hyper-focused on what was in front of him. Yeah I'm not faulting him for not thinking of it in time. That's why I've been telling my family that if anything like that ever happens when they're driving (unlikely as it might be), that the quickest, surest way to shut that shit down is to put it in neutral and let the engine eat itself. It's kinda one of those things, unfortunately, that if you've never considered it beforehand, you probably won't think of it when it happens and still might not think of it even if you have before. Hadn't heard about the video of them panicking. That's terrible.
November 29, 20232 yr On 11/27/2023 at 6:21 PM, wood said: Yeah I'm not faulting him for not thinking of it in time. That's why I've been telling my family that if anything like that ever happens when they're driving (unlikely as it might be), that the quickest, surest way to shut that shit down is to put it in neutral and let the engine eat itself. It's kinda one of those things, unfortunately, that if you've never considered it beforehand, you probably won't think of it when it happens and still might not think of it even if you have before. So the car they were in does 175 mph, and has an 8-speed automatic transmission, and 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. May not know exactly what happened, but damn that car is powerful. https://slate.com/business/2023/11/bentley-speeding-niagara-rainbow-road-villani.html
November 29, 20232 yr I've never had uncontrollable acceleration but I have had a few weird situations with a car and it takes a few seconds to fully comprehend what is happening and perhaps more time to solve. It's not like drivers are commercial pilots who use simulators to learn how deal with the unexpected plus have time to work the problem.
November 29, 20232 yr 14 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said: So the car they were in does 175 mph, and has an 8-speed automatic transmission, and 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. May not know exactly what happened, but damn that car is powerful. https://slate.com/business/2023/11/bentley-speeding-niagara-rainbow-road-villani.html That writer is a puss.
November 29, 20232 yr 10 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: but I have had a few weird situations with a car and it takes a few seconds to fully comprehend what is happening and perhaps more time to solve. Austin drivers on ice are scary as fuck,
November 29, 20232 yr i skidded on ice and had the presence of mind to remember and attempt to execute what i had heard before: "pump the brakes, steer into the skid." i later learned that the former is outdated because of ABS and i realized as i was skidding that i had no idea what 'steer into a skid' meant. it wasn't my highlight.
November 29, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, huge said: That writer is a puss. He's also the master of comedic talent critique that wrote the popular Martin Short hit-piece a couple months ago. https://slate.com/culture/2023/09/martin-short-only-murders-in-the-building-season-3-snl.html
November 29, 20232 yr once I had my car's clutch fluid unexpectedly empty at once. When I next pressed on the clutch, there was no fluid pressure to push the clutch back out. While the car was moving, I couldn't comprehend why the clutch effectively disappeared. I just knew something wasn't right. While my car wasn't going 175 and flipping over, I was completely confused for a few seconds on what was happening.
November 29, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, smuggs said: He's also the master of comedic talent critique that wrote the popular Martin Short hit-piece a couple months ago. https://slate.com/culture/2023/09/martin-short-only-murders-in-the-building-season-3-snl.html Well I think I prefer Martin Short
November 29, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said: Austin drivers on ice are scary as fuck, COTA tourists in their rented BMWs Driving down the wro g sode of the road, no clue what a protected turn is.
November 29, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, MissingInAction said: COTA tourists in their rented BMWs Driving down the wro g sode of the road, no clue what a protected turn is. You make them sound like KISS fans driving to a concert.
November 29, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said: So the car they were in does 175 mph, and has an 8-speed automatic transmission, and 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. May not know exactly what happened, but damn that car is powerful. https://slate.com/business/2023/11/bentley-speeding-niagara-rainbow-road-villani.html 7 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: I've never had uncontrollable acceleration but I have had a few weird situations with a car and it takes a few seconds to fully comprehend what is happening and perhaps more time to solve. It's not like drivers are commercial pilots who use simulators to learn how deal with the unexpected plus have time to work the problem. 6 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: once I had my car's clutch fluid unexpectedly empty at once. When I next pressed on the clutch, there was no fluid pressure to push the clutch back out. While the car was moving, I couldn't comprehend why the clutch effectively disappeared. I just knew something wasn't right. While my car wasn't going 175 and flipping over, I was completely confused for a few seconds on what was happening. Yeah so it kinda begs the question imho why, in this age of pretty much every function of a car being controlled by electronics, the car is even able to continue accelerating like that while the driver is on the brakes. First off, that's an impressive amount of acceleration for a car whose driver is riding the brakes, probably smashing them to the floor. I love performance driving on a track, a little bit of 'spirited' driving on the road as much as the next guy and have had performance-oriented cars since I was 15, but got damn, it can't for the life of me think of a good reason why a current car sjhould be able to accelerate like that when the driver has their foot on the brake. It just seems like an obvious design logic flaw unless I'm missing something, and it seems like it wouldn't be hard at all to limit the ECU when the car is moving and the driver applies brake input. Just seems obvious to me. When something like that goes wrong, what's everyone's first reaction going to be about 99.999999999% of the time? Yeah, hit the brakes. And that should be a way oiut of it. every time. Edited November 29, 20232 yr by wood
November 29, 20232 yr Because it's fucking British, dude. The electronic systems on their cars fail al the fucking time. That's their whole fucking jam. Their cars are beautiful to look at and fun as hell to drive, but they have the engineering prowess of a Soviet-era nuclear reactor manufacturer.
November 29, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, huge said: That writer is a puss. I didn't read the whole thing, but it seemed like he was headed in the direction saying nobody should be driving a car like that on the street. That's way over the top, but imho, and this may sound very elitist, the vast majority of people driving high-powered cars on the road have zero business doing so, at least if they're driving them hard. 5 hours ago, MissingInAction said: COTA tourists in their rented BMWs Beat me to it. Exactly who I was thinking about when I wrote the above. I can't tell you how many rich mfers I've seen at COTA in their very fast, very expensive cars who have not the first clue or tiniest shred of talent to be able to properly control those beats in anger. Even some of the 'race drivers' (read: rich guy wannabe race car driver) in Ferrari and Porsche 'racing series' have no.fucking.clue, but can afford to tear up that expensive-ass equipment - both theirs and the other guy's. My SIL and her hubby are perfect examples of people driving massively overpowered cars and not having the first clue how to handle them. Hers: Taycan S. His 911 GT3. 6 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said: once I had my car's clutch fluid unexpectedly empty at once. When I next pressed on the clutch, there was no fluid pressure to push the clutch back out. While the car was moving, I couldn't comprehend why the clutch effectively disappeared. I just knew something wasn't right. While my car wasn't going 175 and flipping over, I was completely confused for a few seconds on what was happening. I assume you've found out since then, but just in case: if you're skidding and the front of the car is pointing to the right side of the road, steer to the left, 'into' the skid. Edited November 29, 20232 yr by wood
November 29, 20232 yr 28 minutes ago, YGIFS said: Because it's fucking British, dude. The electronic systems on their cars fail al the fucking time. That's their whole fucking jam. Their cars are beautiful to look at and fun as hell to drive, but they have the engineering prowess of a Soviet-era nuclear reactor manufacturer. As a former Land Rover owner, this is correct.
November 30, 20232 yr 32 minutes ago, conVINCEd said: As a former Land Rover owner, this is correct. Wasn't it Jaguar that initially tried to make a V12 engine by simply welding two V6s together, and then were mystified that they couldn't get the timing to work?
November 30, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, BamaATL said: Wasn't it Jaguar that initially tried to make a V12 engine by simply welding two V6s together, and then were mystified that they couldn't get the timing to work? All I know is if I called an electrician and the chap who answered the phone had a British accent I would hang up. It’s like they sent an entire brigade of electricians into Normandy in the first wave of D-Day and lost some institutional knowledge. I wouldn’t trust a British electrician to install a light fixture.
November 30, 20232 yr Shit. My bad. In my response above about steering into a skid,I quoted the wrong post. That was meant for this post. Sorry, NiceGuyEddie. 11 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said: i skidded on ice and had the presence of mind to remember and attempt to execute what i had heard before: "pump the brakes, steer into the skid." i later learned that the former is outdated because of ABS and i realized as i was skidding that i had no idea what 'steer into a skid' meant. it wasn't my highlight. I assume you've found out since then, but just in case: if you're skidding and the front of the car is pointing to the right side of the road, steer to the left, 'into' the skid, etc.
November 30, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, YGIFS said: Because it's fucking British, dude. The electronic systems on their cars fail al the fucking time. That's their whole fucking jam. Their cars are beautiful to look at and fun as hell to drive, but they have the engineering prowess of a Soviet-era nuclear reactor manufacturer. you think the germans let the brits design anything important in that car? the funniest part of the auto industry consolidation in the late 1990s was VW and BMW getting into a bidding war over rolls royce and neither of them did due diligence as to who actually owned the trademark.
December 1, 20232 yr On 11/27/2023 at 6:21 PM, wood said: Yeah I'm not faulting him for not thinking of it in time. That's why I've been telling my family that if anything like that ever happens when they're driving (unlikely as it might be), that the quickest, surest way to shut that shit down is to put it in neutral and let the engine eat itself. It's kinda one of those things, unfortunately, that if you've never considered it beforehand, you probably won't think of it when it happens and still might not think of it even if you have before. Hadn't heard about the video of them panicking. That's terrible. I actually had this happen to me when I was in college. Bought a used truck in San Antonio, was driving it back to Austin. The damn throttle got stuck open and I was accelerating no matter what I did. I threw it in neutral and pulled off 35 somewhere in New Braunfels and coasted into a parking lot. Popped open the hood, called my dad on my cell phone (some Nokia brick but it worked like a charm), and he walked me through what to look for. I found a rubber gasket had somehow become lodged and was keeping the throttle open no matter what. I fixed it and was on my way. And I was a 19 year old college sophomore at the time.
December 1, 20232 yr On 11/27/2023 at 4:48 PM, wood said: So apparently it was a bentley Fling Spur, which can be equipped with as much as a 6.0L W12 engine. Surveillance video shows the driver wasn't impaired and was pressing on the brake pedal. Guess he didn't think of throwing it into neutral. That's some amazing power if it overcame the brakes enough to hit that kind of speed in 3/4 of a mile. https://jalopnik.com/couple-killed-in-u-s-canada-border-explosion-were-driv-1851049907 Can an automatic transmission be shifted into neutral at wide open throttle?
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